Slashdot Submission

Done ! :)

Page views are a pretty bad metric about quality of conversation. I remember the XKCD comic about "someone is wrong on the Internet"[1] and I wonder if the energy should be put there, at all.

[1] https://www.xkcd.com/386/

I tried that tack. I said Pharo is only 8 years old, but some people come back and tell me that Pharo is still essentially Smalltalk. It's hard for me to disagree.

Richard

On 1 January 2017 at 11:27, stepharong <[hidden email]> wrote:

Since people believe that new equals better, we market Pharo as new.
And Pharo is new and it will continue to improve so this is not even a lie :)

There is a reason why we decided to go that road and avoid to always say to people that we use a language
designed nearly 40 years ago.

But you can try :)

Stef



On Sun, 01 Jan 2017 14:05:12 +0100, horrido <[hidden email]> wrote:

Wow! *In just one day*, the Slashdot story added another thousand pageviews
to my TechBeacon article!

However, if you look at the comments, there's an awful lot of disdain for
Smalltalk. It appears that Slashdot is inhabited by a lot of ignorant and
opinionated programmers. I did not realize this.

I'm trying to respond to the negative comments, but it's getting
overwhelming...



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Page views are a pretty bad metric about quality of conversation. I remember the XKCD comic about "someone is wrong on the Internet"[1] and I wonder if the energy should be put there, at all.

[1] https://www.xkcd.com/386/

In my case, some of my fellow programmers friends started with some friendly "bullying" about my choice of Smalltalk/Pharo, well also for my choice of fossil or anything not trendy or popular, and some of them joke about me being some kind of "cyberhypster" :-P. That was at the beginning, and instead of trying to convince them otherwise by talking I prefer to build and demo my Grafoscopio project in our hackerspace but with other people (journalist, students, philosophers, teachers) with the idea of data storytelling instead of programming. Now my fellow programmers friends show more interest (but I'm still a cyberhypster :-)).

I tried that tack. I said Pharo is only 8 years old, but some people come back and tell me that Pharo is still essentially Smalltalk. It's hard for me to disagree.

On Sun, 01 Jan 2017 19:04:14 +0100, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <[hidden email]> wrote:

Page views are a pretty bad metric about quality of conversation. I remember the XKCD comic about "someone is wrong on the Internet"[1] and I wonder if the energy should be put there, at all.

[1] https://www.xkcd.com/386/

In my case, some of my fellow programmers friends started with some friendly "bullying" about my choice of Smalltalk/Pharo, well also for my choice of fossil or anything not trendy or popular, and some of them joke about me being some kind of "cyberhypster" :-P. That was at the beginning, and instead of trying to convince them otherwise by talking I prefer to build and demo my Grafoscopio project in our hackerspace but with other people (journalist, students, philosophers, teachers) with the idea of data storytelling instead of programming. Now my fellow programmers friends show more interest (but I'm still a cyberhypster :-)).

I like your process and it is an excellent one because at the end you get 

- an artefact

- credibility (even if you always have people telling you something)

- and even a community

I like this idea of data analyst and journalist. I was planning to read and port to Pharo the collective intelligence book but I got distracted by my kids and I wrote some chapters for my new books. 

If you are interested by the collective intelligence book let me know (it took me some time to find it on torrent) I bought it but it still did not arrive to my place 

 

May be I should also be a cyberhypster :) but I like to shave from time to time :)

Stef

Hi,

Quite true. The goal of my Smalltalk campaign has always been about
marketing or "branding." The goal has been to get /as many people as
possible/ thinking and talking about Smalltalk. It's not so much about the
quality of conversation as actually having a conversation at all. I explain 
here <https://medium.com/@richardeng/domo-arigato-mr-smalltalk-aa84e245beb9> 

I found it difficult to engage the Smalltalk community. After many years and many failed attempts to popularize Smalltalk, most had felt beaten down into submission. They began to rationalize that Smalltalk didn’t need to be popular. The community was smug and insular, and that was just fine with them.

I can’t say I blame them. Smalltalk has had a storied history and a lot of water under the bridge. But after all these years, it just didn’t seem worth getting their hopes up again.

+1

I tried that tack. I said Pharo is only 8 years old, but some people come back and tell me that Pharo is still essentially Smalltalk. It's hard for me to disagree.

Do not fight with such people. 

You should not care about assholes. 

Pharo is Pharo. Period. 

Come to have fun with us building something whatever it is. 

Stef