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Gang,
Has there been a resolution of the (sorry if I am suffering from memory corruption here) non-collectable garbage under Gary's enhancements? Another thing that disturbed me was the Croquet group(???) threatening to drop Squeak servers in favor of Java or similar. There were some semaphore/delay/shared queue kinds of fixes. Did they make it into Squeak? Please don't do my homework for me. I am hoping someone here happens to remember the details. Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: [hidden email] Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029 _______________________________________________ UI mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui |
RE: [Slightly OT] Stability of Squeak
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I've not noticed a particular increase in image size, myself. The semaphore
fixes posted in the dev-list have worked wonders for the stability of our client's software... AFAIK they'll be put into 3.10 but must be installed manualy for 3.9. There was a post somewhre in the ui list about unrecoverable garbage. After my last respone there has been no feeback, however. Regards, Gary, > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Bill Schwab > Sent: 01 November 2007 2:31 AM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: [UI] [Slightly OT] Stability of Squeak > > > Gang, > > Has there been a resolution of the (sorry if I am suffering from memory > corruption here) non-collectable garbage under Gary's enhancements? > Another thing that disturbed me was the Croquet group(???) threatening > to drop Squeak servers in favor of Java or similar. There were some > semaphore/delay/shared queue kinds of fixes. Did they make it into > Squeak? > > Please don't do my homework for me. I am hoping someone here happens to > remember the details. > > Bill > > > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. > University of Florida > Department of Anesthesiology > PO Box 100254 > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 > > Email: [hidden email] > Tel: (352) 846-1285 > FAX: (352) 392-7029 > > _______________________________________________ > UI mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui |
Re: [Slightly OT] Stability of Squeak
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Gary,
I've noticed a few debuggers that just wont die, but I'm still trying to track down the problem. Some of the semaphore / delay fixes have worked ok for me, others have seemed to hosed my image - admittedly I didn't review code or comments before just filing in the change sets. Travis Gary Chambers wrote: > I've not noticed a particular increase in image size, myself. The semaphore > fixes posted in the dev-list have worked wonders for the stability of our > client's software... AFAIK they'll be put into 3.10 but must be installed > manualy for 3.9. > > There was a post somewhre in the ui list about unrecoverable garbage. After > my last respone there has been no feeback, however. > > Regards, Gary, > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [hidden email] >> [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Bill Schwab >> Sent: 01 November 2007 2:31 AM >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: [UI] [Slightly OT] Stability of Squeak >> >> >> Gang, >> >> Has there been a resolution of the (sorry if I am suffering from memory >> corruption here) non-collectable garbage under Gary's enhancements? >> Another thing that disturbed me was the Croquet group(???) threatening >> to drop Squeak servers in favor of Java or similar. There were some >> semaphore/delay/shared queue kinds of fixes. Did they make it into >> Squeak? >> >> Please don't do my homework for me. I am hoping someone here happens to >> remember the details. >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. >> University of Florida >> Department of Anesthesiology >> PO Box 100254 >> Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 >> >> Email: [hidden email] >> Tel: (352) 846-1285 >> FAX: (352) 392-7029 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> UI mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui >> > > _______________________________________________ > UI mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui > > _______________________________________________ UI mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui |
Re: [Slightly OT] Stability of Squeak
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In reply to this post by Gary Chambers-4
On Oct 31, 2007, at 10:07 PM, Gary Chambers wrote: > I've not noticed a particular increase in image size, myself. The > semaphore > fixes posted in the dev-list have worked wonders for the stability > of our > client's software... AFAIK they'll be put into 3.10 but must be > installed > manualy for 3.9. > > There was a post somewhre in the ui list about unrecoverable > garbage. After > my last respone there has been no feeback, however. Hey Gary - yes, I haven't given any more feedback because I've been heads down on a project and haven't been using the UI enhancements. You thought it was likely related to the taskbar; I'll try to use the Enhancements without the taskbar and see if it makes any difference. Regards, Brian > > > Regards, Gary, > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [hidden email] >> [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Bill >> Schwab >> Sent: 01 November 2007 2:31 AM >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: [UI] [Slightly OT] Stability of Squeak >> >> >> Gang, >> >> Has there been a resolution of the (sorry if I am suffering from >> memory >> corruption here) non-collectable garbage under Gary's enhancements? >> Another thing that disturbed me was the Croquet group(???) >> threatening >> to drop Squeak servers in favor of Java or similar. There were some >> semaphore/delay/shared queue kinds of fixes. Did they make it into >> Squeak? >> >> Please don't do my homework for me. I am hoping someone here >> happens to >> remember the details. >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. >> University of Florida >> Department of Anesthesiology >> PO Box 100254 >> Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 >> >> Email: [hidden email] >> Tel: (352) 846-1285 >> FAX: (352) 392-7029 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> UI mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui > > _______________________________________________ > UI mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui |
RE: [Slightly OT] Stability of Squeak
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In reply to this post by Travis Kay
Maybe down to the taskbar, whick works "synchronously" with window opening.
It is designed to delete itself when there is a problem in creating the button for the task, to avoid such problems. There is, however, a posiblility that the task button is created alright but with a potential cascade effect in the associated window. I could, perhaps, force the taskbar to close when a user-interrupt occurs... or, perhaps, have a recurse flag of some sort. > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Travis Kay > Sent: 01 November 2007 4:21 AM > To: Squeak's User Interface > Subject: Re: [UI] [Slightly OT] Stability of Squeak > > > Gary, > > I've noticed a few debuggers that just wont die, but I'm still trying to > track down the problem. Some of the semaphore / delay fixes have worked > ok for me, others have seemed to hosed my image - admittedly I didn't > review code or comments before just filing in the change sets. > > Travis > > Gary Chambers wrote: > > I've not noticed a particular increase in image size, myself. > The semaphore > > fixes posted in the dev-list have worked wonders for the > stability of our > > client's software... AFAIK they'll be put into 3.10 but must be > installed > > manualy for 3.9. > > > > There was a post somewhre in the ui list about unrecoverable > garbage. After > > my last respone there has been no feeback, however. > > > > Regards, Gary, > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [hidden email] > >> [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Bill Schwab > >> Sent: 01 November 2007 2:31 AM > >> To: [hidden email] > >> Subject: [UI] [Slightly OT] Stability of Squeak > >> > >> > >> Gang, > >> > >> Has there been a resolution of the (sorry if I am suffering from memory > >> corruption here) non-collectable garbage under Gary's enhancements? > >> Another thing that disturbed me was the Croquet group(???) threatening > >> to drop Squeak servers in favor of Java or similar. There were some > >> semaphore/delay/shared queue kinds of fixes. Did they make it into > >> Squeak? > >> > >> Please don't do my homework for me. I am hoping someone here > happens to > >> remember the details. > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> > >> > >> Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. > >> University of Florida > >> Department of Anesthesiology > >> PO Box 100254 > >> Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 > >> > >> Email: [hidden email] > >> Tel: (352) 846-1285 > >> FAX: (352) 392-7029 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> UI mailing list > >> [hidden email] > >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > UI mailing list > > [hidden email] > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > UI mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui |
Re: [Slightly OT] Stability of Squeak
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Gary Chambers wrote:
> Maybe down to the taskbar, whick works "synchronously" with window opening. > It is designed to delete itself when there is a problem in creating the > button for the task, to avoid such problems. There is, however, a > posiblility that the task button is created alright but with a potential > cascade effect in the associated window. I could, perhaps, force the taskbar > to close when a user-interrupt occurs... or, perhaps, have a recurse flag of > some sort. > Actually I found my issue, it was due to ECController (eCmopletion) references in ActionMaps of EventManager. Thanks for the tip though =) > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [hidden email] >> [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Travis Kay >> Sent: 01 November 2007 4:21 AM >> To: Squeak's User Interface >> Subject: Re: [UI] [Slightly OT] Stability of Squeak >> >> >> Gary, >> >> I've noticed a few debuggers that just wont die, but I'm still trying to >> track down the problem. Some of the semaphore / delay fixes have worked >> ok for me, others have seemed to hosed my image - admittedly I didn't >> review code or comments before just filing in the change sets. >> >> Travis >> >> Gary Chambers wrote: >> >>> I've not noticed a particular increase in image size, myself. >>> >> The semaphore >> >>> fixes posted in the dev-list have worked wonders for the >>> >> stability of our >> >>> client's software... AFAIK they'll be put into 3.10 but must be >>> >> installed >> >>> manualy for 3.9. >>> >>> There was a post somewhre in the ui list about unrecoverable >>> >> garbage. After >> >>> my last respone there has been no feeback, however. >>> >>> Regards, Gary, >>> >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [hidden email] >>>> [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Bill Schwab >>>> Sent: 01 November 2007 2:31 AM >>>> To: [hidden email] >>>> Subject: [UI] [Slightly OT] Stability of Squeak >>>> >>>> >>>> Gang, >>>> >>>> Has there been a resolution of the (sorry if I am suffering from memory >>>> corruption here) non-collectable garbage under Gary's enhancements? >>>> Another thing that disturbed me was the Croquet group(???) threatening >>>> to drop Squeak servers in favor of Java or similar. There were some >>>> semaphore/delay/shared queue kinds of fixes. Did they make it into >>>> Squeak? >>>> >>>> Please don't do my homework for me. I am hoping someone here >>>> >> happens to >> >>>> remember the details. >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. >>>> University of Florida >>>> Department of Anesthesiology >>>> PO Box 100254 >>>> Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 >>>> >>>> Email: [hidden email] >>>> Tel: (352) 846-1285 >>>> FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> UI mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> UI mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> UI mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui >> > > _______________________________________________ > UI mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui > > _______________________________________________ UI mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui |
RE: [Slightly OT] Stability of Squeak
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Am AM replying... grrr.. eCompletion... my bane. Not sure why, but it has it
in for me... the only reason I don't use the dev image!.... it malign influence apparently extends.... (sorry to the developer, good effort but just doesn't play well, wold like nothing more than is working nicely). > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Travis Kay > Sent: 01 November 2007 5:37 AM > To: Squeak's User Interface > Subject: Re: [UI] [Slightly OT] Stability of Squeak > > > Gary Chambers wrote: > > Maybe down to the taskbar, whick works "synchronously" with > window opening. > > It is designed to delete itself when there is a problem in creating the > > button for the task, to avoid such problems. There is, however, a > > posiblility that the task button is created alright but with a potential > > cascade effect in the associated window. I could, perhaps, > force the taskbar > > to close when a user-interrupt occurs... or, perhaps, have a > recurse flag of > > some sort. > > > > Actually I found my issue, it was due to ECController (eCmopletion) > references in ActionMaps of EventManager. Thanks for the tip though =) > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [hidden email] > >> [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Travis Kay > >> Sent: 01 November 2007 4:21 AM > >> To: Squeak's User Interface > >> Subject: Re: [UI] [Slightly OT] Stability of Squeak > >> > >> > >> Gary, > >> > >> I've noticed a few debuggers that just wont die, but I'm still > trying to > >> track down the problem. Some of the semaphore / delay fixes have worked > >> ok for me, others have seemed to hosed my image - admittedly I didn't > >> review code or comments before just filing in the change sets. > >> > >> Travis > >> > >> Gary Chambers wrote: > >> > >>> I've not noticed a particular increase in image size, myself. > >>> > >> The semaphore > >> > >>> fixes posted in the dev-list have worked wonders for the > >>> > >> stability of our > >> > >>> client's software... AFAIK they'll be put into 3.10 but must be > >>> > >> installed > >> > >>> manualy for 3.9. > >>> > >>> There was a post somewhre in the ui list about unrecoverable > >>> > >> garbage. After > >> > >>> my last respone there has been no feeback, however. > >>> > >>> Regards, Gary, > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: [hidden email] > >>>> [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of > Bill Schwab > >>>> Sent: 01 November 2007 2:31 AM > >>>> To: [hidden email] > >>>> Subject: [UI] [Slightly OT] Stability of Squeak > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Gang, > >>>> > >>>> Has there been a resolution of the (sorry if I am suffering > from memory > >>>> corruption here) non-collectable garbage under Gary's enhancements? > >>>> Another thing that disturbed me was the Croquet group(???) > threatening > >>>> to drop Squeak servers in favor of Java or similar. There were some > >>>> semaphore/delay/shared queue kinds of fixes. Did they make it into > >>>> Squeak? > >>>> > >>>> Please don't do my homework for me. I am hoping someone here > >>>> > >> happens to > >> > >>>> remember the details. > >>>> > >>>> Bill > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. > >>>> University of Florida > >>>> Department of Anesthesiology > >>>> PO Box 100254 > >>>> Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 > >>>> > >>>> Email: [hidden email] > >>>> Tel: (352) 846-1285 > >>>> FAX: (352) 392-7029 > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> UI mailing list > >>>> [hidden email] > >>>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui > >>>> > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> UI mailing list > >>> [hidden email] > >>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> UI mailing list > >> [hidden email] > >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > UI mailing list > > [hidden email] > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > UI mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui |
RE: [Slightly OT] Stability of Squeak
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In reply to this post by Schwab,Wilhelm K
Gary,
That is very encouraging. I am starting to think that I need to begin tackling some basic porting problems. There is a long todo list, but one of my systems really needs to find its way onto Linux for torture testing. Would you recommend 3.9 or 3.10?? BTW, don't expect this to be an overnight effort. I have some preliminaries to consider, such as making the BibTeX system I might have mentioned a little more friendly, porting my time-stamp-based backup system to Squeak, and making it run correctly on Linux and Windows as a result, and so on. Bottom line: I need to begin to see if Squeak can handle the load. Thanks! Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: [hidden email] Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> [hidden email] 10/31/07 11:07 PM >>> I've not noticed a particular increase in image size, myself. The semaphore fixes posted in the dev-list have worked wonders for the stability of our client's software... AFAIK they'll be put into 3.10 but must be installed manualy for 3.9. There was a post somewhre in the ui list about unrecoverable garbage. After my last respone there has been no feeback, however. Regards, Gary, > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Bill Schwab > Sent: 01 November 2007 2:31 AM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: [UI] [Slightly OT] Stability of Squeak > > > Gang, > > Has there been a resolution of the (sorry if I am suffering from > corruption here) non-collectable garbage under Gary's enhancements? > Another thing that disturbed me was the Croquet group(???) threatening > to drop Squeak servers in favor of Java or similar. There were some > semaphore/delay/shared queue kinds of fixes. Did they make it into > Squeak? > > Please don't do my homework for me. I am hoping someone here happens to > remember the details. > > Bill > > > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. > University of Florida > Department of Anesthesiology > PO Box 100254 > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 > > Email: [hidden email] > Tel: (352) 846-1285 > FAX: (352) 392-7029 > > _______________________________________________ > UI mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui |
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