On Wednesday 01 Feb 2012 8:36:45 AM David T. Lewis wrote:
> I have to laugh every time I read someone making a comment to the effect > that Squeak is not "serious" because it has a silly name. I love the silly > name, because it takes a gentle poke at all of us who become distracted > into thinking that tools and technology are more important than thinking > and communicating. +1 Classifying work into as productive or unproductive/leisure/entertainment is an artifact of industrial age. Watching kids learn through play is the best antidote to this tendency ;-). If work is to become play, then tools should become toys .. Lee Felsenstein Regards .. Subbu |
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On 2012-01-31, at 11:48 PM, "Göran Krampe" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On 02/01/2012 06:17 AM, Colin Putney wrote: >> 2012/1/31 Eliot Miranda <[hidden email] >> <mailto:[hidden email]>> >> >> A good challenge would be to reimplement ANT (a Java application) in >> Squeak/Pharo. That would force us to address real weaknesses. >> >> >> I can vouch for this. I wrote Filesystem because trying to write Mason >> using FileDirectory was too painful. > > AFAIK this has already been done by Keith Hodges (for Squeak building - > not general building) in multiple layers (Bob the Builder, Sake etc): > > http://www.squeaksource.com/Bob.html > http://www.squeaksource.com/Packages.html > http://www.squeaksource.com/Sake.html > > ...but perhaps you meant for "generic software building". Yeah, I tried Sake, but it didn't meet my needs. Colin |
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I don't think it is a
naive belief. There are actually differences between languages, and they
do matter in the success of projects. I think the widespread disdain
for Java in the development world at large is partly a recognition of
this.
This is just a bit of apocryphal and vaguely-remembered evidence, but I remember a discussion at a conference a few years back, and I think the participants were Alistair Cockburn and Martin Fowler. They were talking about "Design Starts" and successful completions of projects and the ratio between them as a metric. And were talking about various factors, but mentioned that in Smalltalk, though the number of starts was always low, the ratio of design starts to completions had been extraordinarily high. Equally apocryphal, I'm fond of saying that we have some large customers who are in the process of converting their applications from Smalltalk to another technology. Some of them have been doing so for many, many years.
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In reply to this post by Göran Krampe
2012/1/31 Göran Krampe <[hidden email]> On 02/01/2012 06:17 AM, Colin Putney wrote: Yes. ANT is cross-platform and generic. I expect Squeak/Pharo would need lots of work beyond Colin's new file system and OSProcess to provide similar functionality. I think it would be a great driver to get the right support.
best, Eliot |
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On Sun, Jan 29, I wrote:
> DabbleDB didn't go under. It was purchased by Twitter, who moved it to > San Francisco, in order for Twitter to make use of its Smalltalk > expertise and the Trendly product. I since looked deeper and read that Trendly was a Ruby product. I don't know if Smallthought Systems used Smalltalk at Twitter or not. David |
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On 01/29/2012 09:21 PM, David Corking wrote:
> Hans-Martin Mosner wrote: >> What were the actual reasons for DabbleDB to go under ...? > > DabbleDB didn't go under. It was purchased by Twitter, who moved it to > San Francisco, in order for Twitter to make use of its Smalltalk > expertise and the Trendly product. Mmm, my impression is rather that Twitter buys small talented companies simply because it is easier to find really good people that way instead of hiring (if you have loads of money to spend). They have done it before, and they probably told the Smallthought guys that they didn't want them to be distracted by their old stuff - thus "shutdown". > The question is merely: why did Twitter choose to close down the > DabbleDB product (rather than sell the business or recruit a > maintenance staff)?(*) Simplest path. All other paths take money, time, legal to be involved, etc etc. > Another useful question: what is Twitter doing successfully with > Smalltalk that helps to change the world? No idea, but I did recently note that Avi is not there anymore ;) regards, Göran |
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