Squeak People Certification

How can I know If I have a certification? I registered some weeks on  
Squeak People and set me as apprentice.

Cheers.

En Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:43:15 +0100, Ron Teitelbaum <[hidden email]>  
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All,

There are two ways to tell what your current certification is.  The first
way is to read what is on the second line of your page on squeak people.
Your certification is printed there.  It looks like this:

This person is currently certified at Apprentice level.

The second way is to look at  
Others have certified this person as follows:

section.  You can see who certified you there.  A person can only certify
people to a level that is at or below their own certification.  So for you
to get an Apprentice Level you need someone with at least an Apprentice
Level to certify you.

If you have questions please feel free to contact me or anyone on the
elections team,

Ron Teitelbaum
Squeak Elections Team Member

Hello Ron and elections team,

sorry this should go to the list.

RT> You are only eligible to vote for the Squeak Foundation Board
RT> 2007 ifyou have a certified squeakPeople account.
as the iirc vast majority of squeak dev subscribers didn't vote last
time you might want to look into more exotic reasons for not voting.

My reason not to vote is that I'm sensitive to labels tacked onto me.
The only SqPeople status I'm comfortable with is Observer. The
possibility of anybody sticking one of the other labels (including
master) at me keeps me from having an account there.

I would not mind a voter certification saying "enough certified
squeakers trust this one enough to let him vote for SQF Board".

Others might have different reasons, including "to complicated
(embarrsing if not) to get certified". Programmers *are* strange at
times. (me being always strange :-)

Just my 2c and I'm happy enough not voting.

Cheers

Herbert                            mailto:[hidden email]

Ron Teitelbaum wrote: The interface of SqueakPeople is a little hard to navigate.

-It would be nice if the menu options reflected the level of
certification you can make. If you are Apprentice and approve someone as
Master that certification will be ignored, so why have that option?

-It's often no link back to the start pages and I have to use the back
button in the browser.

-It could be nice if it was possible to sort the people list after
certification.

Karl

Il giorno mar, 20/02/2007 alle 11.43 -0500, Ron Teitelbaum ha scritto:
> In order to get certified you can ask people with at least an
> Apprentice certification to certify you.  
>
>  
>
> If you can not get certified an email to this list will probably do
> it.

You can also ask some of the regulars in the #squeak IRC channel to
certify you.

        Giovanni

On Feb 20, 2007, at 19:09 , Karl wrote:
> -It would be nice if the menu options reflected the level of  
> certification you can make. If you are Apprentice and approve  
> someone as Master that certification will be ignored, so why have  
> that option?

Because your certification is visible. Even if it does not lead to  
promotion using the current algorithm, it still shows that you  
acknowledge someone to be a significant contributor, for example.  
Like, many people certified Dan Ingalls as Master for obvious  
reasons, even though they are not Masters themselves. It shows their  
support. For an explanation of the levels, see

http://people.squeakfoundation.org/certs.html

It's similar on a personal level like the appreciation of projects,  
which you also can do on the people site.

- Bert -

Herbert König wrote:
> My reason not to vote is that I'm sensitive to labels tacked onto me.
> The only SqPeople status I'm comfortable with is Observer. The
> possibility of anybody sticking one of the other labels (including
> master) at me keeps me from having an account there.

I had very similar feelings until this very morning, when I eventually
thought that if I was to wait for things to be perfect before I allow
myself to participate it was going to be a tad longuish.

so I subscribed to SqPeople and now I can vote.

but I do agree that some unnecessary pressure is being put on a SqPeople
member. to me the most annoying at this time is the idea that I should
myself start rating other people/projects, else I'm risking to pass for
a misanthropic caveman.


Stef

Bert Freudenberg skrev: But if I as apprentice was the only one certifying Dan as anything, and
I certified him as master would he be able to vote in the Squeak election?
Or would he only enjoy my appreciation ;-)
Karl

Stéphane Rollandin skrev: Isn't the entry level (apprentice) just a bot filter ?
Karl

On Feb 20, 2007, at 21:37 , karl wrote:

Both :)

- Bert -

On Tue, 2007-02-20 at 21:37 +0100, karl wrote:
> But if I as apprentice was the only one certifying Dan as anything, and
> I certified him as master would he be able to vote in the Squeak election?
> Or would he only enjoy my appreciation ;-)
> Karl

To put it simply, if yours is the only certification for someone else
then that other person will be certified up to either your level or the
level you specified for them, whichever is lowest.  So if you are an
apprentice, and you certify Dan as Master (and yours is the only
certification) then Dan will be certified as an Apprentice.  Apprentice
is sufficient to allow voting.

It gets more complex than this when there is more than one
certification, but in any case getting Apprentice status is a very low
bar for receiving voting privileges.  I am in the habit of certifying
anyone up to Apprentice level who

A. I either recognize from the mailing list or squeak-dev IRC or some
other Smalltalk-related context.

B. Includes a comment that shows some knowledge of Squeak or Smalltalk
in general.

C. Links to a webpage that at least mentions Squeak or Smalltalk in a
reasonable way.  Note that I go so far as to find references in foreign
languages I can't even read and tend to give them the benefit of the
doubt.

Ken

On Tue, 2007-02-20 at 21:51 +0100, karl wrote:
> Isn't the entry level (apprentice) just a bot filter ?
> Karl

In some sense yes, but I would put it higher than that.  I do require at
least the cognizance to mention Squeak or Smalltalk in some reasonable
manner.  It's possible I could be faked out by someone pasting in
someone else's text on the subject, but this seems very unlikely and is
pretty easy to revert if needed.

Ken

Hello Stéphane,

SR> I had very similar feelings until this very morning, when I eventually
actually I only wanted to start a discussion about things that might keep
people from voting. Because I remembered people searching SqPeople and
urging others to look there for someone they could certify.

And I wanted to avoid questions "Hey you started this discussion, why
didn't you vote then?".

Was on SqPeople again and it still is hard to access. Couldn't find
the descriptions what the certificates mean for example.

BTW Kim Rose just joined there awaiting certification to vote on the
SqF Board.

SR> myself start rating other people/projects, else I'm risking to pass for
SR> a misanthropic caveman.
In some places I pass for worse and I don't care that much :-))


Cheers

Herbert                            mailto:[hidden email]

On Tue, 2007-02-20 at 22:26 +0100, Herbert König wrote:
> Was on SqPeople again and it still is hard to access. Couldn't find
> the descriptions what the certificates mean for example.

http://people.squeakfoundation.org/certs.html

Ken Causey skrev: Ok, good to know I don't waste any appreciation :-) It's really vital that people that don't participate on the list's etc.
leave some info on Squeak People so there is a chance to apply trustmetric.

karl

Bert Freudenberg skrev: Good.
Karl

On Tue, 2007-02-20 at 22:36 +0100, karl wrote:
> It's really vital that people that don't participate on the list's etc.
> leave some info on Squeak People so there is a chance to apply trustmetric.
>
> karl

Indeed, I even wrote an article on that very subject:

http://people.squeakfoundation.org/article/68.html

Ken Causey skrev: Ah, nice.
I went trough the list of Observers and certified a few that had some
info. It would be nice to have a date the person created their account.
karl

On Tue, 2007-02-20 at 23:44 +0100, karl wrote:
> I went trough the list of Observers and certified a few that had some
> info. It would be nice to have a date the person created their account.
> karl

Thanks for taking the time.

Earlier today someone else (perhaps it was you then) requested changes
to SqP.  Here's the deal:  SqP is an instance of Advogato and is built
on top of an Apache1 module (mod_virgule).  It's C code.  Frankly no one
here wants to touch it.  Redoing this site in Squeak has been long
discussed.  But frankly there are a lot of things to do and few
available hours.

But anyone who is interested in re-implementing SqP in Squeak (or
something of similar functionality) is more than welcome to do so.  And
if it is any good at all I suspect we will be happy to transfer over.

Ken