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As a newcomer to Squeak/eToys I've been searching for info on helping my 9-11 year olds write 'Tamagotchi' style simulations, since I've been unable to find a straight-forward manual. There's lots of 'Getting started' materials, but nothing on getting to the next level. I signed up this 'Newbies' list but, to be honest, does parsing XMLs using the SAX or DOM models really fit into that category? Can someone point me to resources for real (3-4 weeks experience) newbies? John. _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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On Sat, Jul 01, 2006 at 09:56:37AM +0100, John Kershaw wrote:
> Hi all, > > As a newcomer to Squeak/eToys I've been searching for info on helping > my 9-11 year olds write 'Tamagotchi' style simulations, since I've > been unable to find a straight-forward manual. There's lots of > 'Getting started' materials, but nothing on getting to the next level. > > I signed up this 'Newbies' list but, to be honest, does parsing XMLs > using the SAX or DOM models really fit into that category? > > Can someone point me to resources for real (3-4 weeks experience) newbies? John, You can sign up for the general-purpose Squeak developers' list here: http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/squeak-dev This list covers a wide range of technical topics, so it sometimes may seem intimidating if you are just getting started. However, newbie questions of all kinds are welcome, and a question like yours would certainly get some answers. Dave _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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David T. Lewis a écrit :
> On Sat, Jul 01, 2006 at 09:56:37AM +0100, John Kershaw wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> As a newcomer to Squeak/eToys I've been searching for info on helping >> my 9-11 year olds write 'Tamagotchi' style simulations, since I've >> been unable to find a straight-forward manual. There's lots of >> 'Getting started' materials, but nothing on getting to the next level. >> >> I signed up this 'Newbies' list but, to be honest, does parsing XMLs >> using the SAX or DOM models really fit into that category? >> >> Can someone point me to resources for real (3-4 weeks experience) newbies? >> > > John, > > You can sign up for the general-purpose Squeak developers' list here: > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/squeak-dev > > This list covers a wide range of technical topics, so it sometimes may > seem intimidating if you are just getting started. However, newbie > questions of all kinds are welcome, and a question like yours would > certainly get some answers. > > Dave > Dave, Being a starter myself as well, and finding it difficult to move from the initial easy steps to a slightly more advanced use of squeak, I tend to agree with John. Shouldn't it be the other way around, where some discussions taking place on the newbie mailing-list should be moved to the squeak-dev one ? Regards, Stephane _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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On Sat, Jul 01, 2006 at 03:09:21PM +0200, Stephane Schitter wrote:
> > Being a starter myself as well, and finding it difficult to move from > the initial easy steps to a slightly more advanced use of squeak, I tend > to agree with John. Shouldn't it be the other way around, where some > discussions taking place on the newbie mailing-list should be moved to > the squeak-dev one ? Yes I agree, that is the way it should be. Dave _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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So... if we're agreed that this really is the newbies list, *can*
someone point me to some info that's the next step on from the four-page 'Getting started' PDF? John. On 01/07/06, David T. Lewis <[hidden email]> wrote: > On Sat, Jul 01, 2006 at 03:09:21PM +0200, Stephane Schitter wrote: > > > > Being a starter myself as well, and finding it difficult to move from > > the initial easy steps to a slightly more advanced use of squeak, I tend > > to agree with John. Shouldn't it be the other way around, where some > > discussions taking place on the newbie mailing-list should be moved to > > the squeak-dev one ? > > Yes I agree, that is the way it should be. > > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > Beginners mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners > Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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Hi john
tell us more where you are and what you want to achieve and we will help you. Have you got a look at the videos I did? http://www.listic.univ-savoie.fr/~ducasse/Ressources/ Stef On 1 juil. 06, at 20:45, John Kershaw wrote: > So... if we're agreed that this really is the newbies list, *can* > someone point me to some info that's the next step on from the > four-page 'Getting started' PDF? > > John. > > On 01/07/06, David T. Lewis <[hidden email]> wrote: >> On Sat, Jul 01, 2006 at 03:09:21PM +0200, Stephane Schitter wrote: >> > >> > Being a starter myself as well, and finding it difficult to move >> from >> > the initial easy steps to a slightly more advanced use of >> squeak, I tend >> > to agree with John. Shouldn't it be the other way around, where >> some >> > discussions taking place on the newbie mailing-list should be >> moved to >> > the squeak-dev one ? >> >> Yes I agree, that is the way it should be. >> >> Dave >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Beginners mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners >> > _______________________________________________ > Beginners mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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On 7/1/06, John Kershaw <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi all, Hi all, There is a very good book about squeak called Squeak: Object-Oriented Design with Multimedia Applications http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0130280283/104-2424370-4960739?v=glance&n=283155 And here you have this book website. http://guzdial.cc.gatech.edu/squeakbook/ Mario h.c.t. _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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On 02/07/06, stéphane ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi john > > tell us more where you are and what you want to achieve and we will > help you. Okay, here are a couple of things I'd like to do tomorrow: Our 'pets' currently have 1 variable, thirst, which increases once per second, and turns the animal 90 degrees when it reaches maximum. I can key the heading to the thirst divided by a factor, and/or use other geometric stuff to reflect variables, but I'd be interested in demonstrating different ways to show the affect of increasing thirst (and other variables - hunger, illness, happiness?): changing colour (going green), changing 'frame' to show another version of the creature (which I think uses 'holder' somehow, but haven't been able to figure out quite how). We're doing an 'Arts Week' based on a woodland theme every afternoon this week, and my slot is tomorrow. I'd like to use Squeak to 'grow' forests and flowers from 'seeds', using different 'faces' onto the same object. How would I tackle that? How could I introduce a random element into the growth rate (shape?) so that all the trees look slightly different? Species too? John. _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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Hi John,
> On 02/07/06, stéphane ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote: >> Hi john >> >> tell us more where you are and what you want to achieve and we will >> help you. > > Okay, here are a couple of things I'd like to do tomorrow: > > Our 'pets' currently have 1 variable, thirst, which increases once per > second, and turns the animal 90 degrees when it reaches maximum. I can > key the heading to the thirst divided by a factor, and/or use other > geometric stuff to reflect variables, but I'd be interested in > demonstrating different ways to show the affect of increasing thirst > (and other variables - hunger, illness, happiness?): changing colour > (going green), changing 'frame' to show another version of the > creature (which I think uses 'holder' somehow, but haven't been able > to figure out quite how). Have a look at animations eg. http://www.squeakland.org/pdf/etoys_n_authoring.pdf Make a holder with all colors respectively shapes etc, and change the color respectively let it look like the according color of the shape at the index of that other holder. (Hide that holder if necessary). Change the index of the cursor of that other holder according to the hunger/illness etc. Meta hint: Post this kind of etoys questions _also_ to the squeakland mailing list. > > We're doing an 'Arts Week' based on a woodland theme every afternoon > this week, and my slot is tomorrow. I'd like to use Squeak to 'grow' > forests and flowers from 'seeds', using different 'faces' onto the > same object. How would I tackle that? Guess the answer is: use the animations idiom again. > How could I introduce a random > element into the growth rate (shape?) so that all the trees look > slightly different? Species too? Don't understand exactly, but you can get a random tile by pressing on the label of the object in any script. Hope that helps, Cheers, Markus > > John. > _______________________________________________ > Beginners mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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On Jul 6, 2006, at 2:57 PM, Markus Gaelli wrote: > Make a holder with all colors respectively shapes etc, and change > the color respectively let it look like the according color of the > shape at the index of that other holder. > (Hide that holder if necessary). Change the index of the cursor of > that other holder according to the hunger/illness etc. Should have been: Make a holder with all colors respectively shapes etc, and change the color respectively let it look like **** the according shape *** at the index (=cursor) of that other holder. (Hide that holder if necessary). Change the index of the cursor of that other holder according to the hunger/illness etc. Cheers, Markus _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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May be you should post to the squeakland mailing-list.
It seems that people can help you there. Stef On 6 juil. 06, at 14:30, John Kershaw wrote: > On 02/07/06, stéphane ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote: >> Hi john >> >> tell us more where you are and what you want to achieve and we will >> help you. > > Okay, here are a couple of things I'd like to do tomorrow: > > Our 'pets' currently have 1 variable, thirst, which increases once per > second, and turns the animal 90 degrees when it reaches maximum. I can > key the heading to the thirst divided by a factor, and/or use other > geometric stuff to reflect variables, but I'd be interested in > demonstrating different ways to show the affect of increasing thirst > (and other variables - hunger, illness, happiness?): changing colour > (going green), changing 'frame' to show another version of the > creature (which I think uses 'holder' somehow, but haven't been able > to figure out quite how). > > We're doing an 'Arts Week' based on a woodland theme every afternoon > this week, and my slot is tomorrow. I'd like to use Squeak to 'grow' > forests and flowers from 'seeds', using different 'faces' onto the > same object. How would I tackle that? How could I introduce a random > element into the growth rate (shape?) so that all the trees look > slightly different? Species too? > > John. > _______________________________________________ > Beginners mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners > _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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Okay, I'm getting somewhere now! I found the 'Holder' object in the
Supplies tab, and have got animation working, so our rabbits can now look happy, sad or indifferent. The kids are currently learning the basics of algebra in maths, so I'm going to have them make a pet shop using their animal and lots of variable manipulation (but not mention algebra). So far I've got two objects, shop & pet: Shop has variables for: | money numPets petCost numFoodBags foodBagCost foodPerBag | Pet has just: | hunger | I have scripts for buying food, feeding a pet, buying a pet, each one checking there's enough money/food/pets before firing, if not sound an alert. I'm working on having pets grow up after a minute or so and become sellable, at a profit... My immediate need is - how do I make the pet into a button that fires the 'feedPet' script? I've got lots of 'button to fire this script' buttons to run various actions, but I'd like to have new instances of each pet appear when purchased, and have random variations of hunger etc to keep the kids on their toes trying to balance income, food, selling. The extension would be to have different pets (with different costs/needs), different foods (affecting each animals hunger differently) and maybe even extra variables (thirst, hunger, happiness, etc). I got as far as getting the pet to fire an onMouseUp event, but didn't know what to put in the dialog (and don't want the kids touching code if possible - is there a tile way?) Regards cc'ing posts to the Squeakland list, I thought this WAS the Squeakland list - am I in the wrong place? Eek! John. On 06/07/06, Markus Gaelli <[hidden email]> wrote: > > On Jul 6, 2006, at 2:57 PM, Markus Gaelli wrote: > > > Make a holder with all colors respectively shapes etc, and change > > the color respectively let it look like the according color of the > > shape at the index of that other holder. > > (Hide that holder if necessary). Change the index of the cursor of > > that other holder according to the hunger/illness etc. > > Should have been: > > Make a holder with all colors respectively shapes etc, and change the > color respectively let it look like **** the according shape *** at > the index (=cursor) of that other holder. > (Hide that holder if necessary). Change the index of the cursor of > that other holder according to the hunger/illness etc. > > Cheers, > > Markus > _______________________________________________ > Beginners mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners > Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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On 2006 July 6 17:37, John Kershaw wrote:
> Okay, I'm getting somewhere now! I found the 'Holder' object in the <snip> > Regards cc'ing posts to the Squeakland list, I thought this WAS the > Squeakland list - am I in the wrong place? Eek! John, the squeakland list (which is closer to what you are doing) is: [hidden email] Milan > > John. > > On 06/07/06, Markus Gaelli <[hidden email]> wrote: > > On Jul 6, 2006, at 2:57 PM, Markus Gaelli wrote: > > > Make a holder with all colors respectively shapes etc, and change > > > the color respectively let it look like the according color of the > > > shape at the index of that other holder. > > > (Hide that holder if necessary). Change the index of the cursor of > > > that other holder according to the hunger/illness etc. > > > > Should have been: > > > > Make a holder with all colors respectively shapes etc, and change the > > color respectively let it look like **** the according shape *** at > > the index (=cursor) of that other holder. > > (Hide that holder if necessary). Change the index of the cursor of > > that other holder according to the hunger/illness etc. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Markus > > _______________________________________________ > > Beginners mailing list > > [hidden email] > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners > > _______________________________________________ > Beginners mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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Thanks for that. Can anyone tell me how to make an object act like a button?
John. On 08/07/06, Milan Zimmermann <[hidden email]> wrote: > On 2006 July 6 17:37, John Kershaw wrote: > > Okay, I'm getting somewhere now! I found the 'Holder' object in the > <snip> > > Regards cc'ing posts to the Squeakland list, I thought this WAS the > > Squeakland list - am I in the wrong place? Eek! > > John, > > the squeakland list (which is closer to what you are doing) is: > > [hidden email] > > Milan > > > > > > John. > > > > On 06/07/06, Markus Gaelli <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > On Jul 6, 2006, at 2:57 PM, Markus Gaelli wrote: > > > > Make a holder with all colors respectively shapes etc, and change > > > > the color respectively let it look like the according color of the > > > > shape at the index of that other holder. > > > > (Hide that holder if necessary). Change the index of the cursor of > > > > that other holder according to the hunger/illness etc. > > > > > > Should have been: > > > > > > Make a holder with all colors respectively shapes etc, and change the > > > color respectively let it look like **** the according shape *** at > > > the index (=cursor) of that other holder. > > > (Hide that holder if necessary). Change the index of the cursor of > > > that other holder according to the hunger/illness etc. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Markus > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Beginners mailing list > > > [hidden email] > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Beginners mailing list > > [hidden email] > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners > _______________________________________________ > Beginners mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners > Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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Thanks for that. Can anyone tell me how to make an object act like a button?
> On 08/07/06, Milan Zimmermann <[hidden email]> wrote: > > the squeakland list (which is closer to what you are doing) is: > > > > [hidden email] _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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Am 08.07.2006 um 11:52 schrieb John Kershaw:
> Thanks for that. Can anyone tell me how to make an object act like > a button? Make a script for your object and set the script's trigger to mouseDown. - Bert - _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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I'm with you as far as 'script's trigger' - where do I find that? I can click the menu next to the script and drag out a 'button to fire this script' but nothing about mouseDown.
John.
On 08/07/06, Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]> wrote: Am 08.07.2006 um 11:52 schrieb John Kershaw: _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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The script'ts trigger is set to "normal" initially (the menu button
right of the clock), meaning the script executes when it is explicitly called from another script. But you can chage the trigger by clicking that button and set it to ticking, mouseDown etc. - Bert - Am 08.07.2006 um 13:31 schrieb John Kershaw: > I'm with you as far as 'script's trigger' - where do I find that? I > can click the menu next to the script and drag out a 'button to > fire this script' but nothing about mouseDown. > > John. > > On 08/07/06, Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]> wrote: Am 08.07.2006 > um 11:52 schrieb John Kershaw: > > > Thanks for that. Can anyone tell me how to make an object act like > > a button? > > Make a script for your object and set the script's trigger to > mouseDown. > > - Bert - > _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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John,
Based on Bert's description I created a small "tutorial" How to Make an Object (for example MyCurve) Act as Button? 0) Drag out a curve from Supplies, name it MyCurve 1) Show Viewer on MyCurve 2) In Viewer, go to scripts, drag out "emptyScript" 3) Pust some code in the script, e.g. drag out "basic->Make Sound Croak" 4) Click at the oval to the right of the "clock" on the script, select "mouseUp" 5) Now when you click on MyCurve, it croaks The above is one way. Another way is to click on MyCurve and show it's hallo, and select from menu: extras-->add mouseUp action and put a code there like: self beep: 'coyote' Milan On 2006 July 8 11:37, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > The script'ts trigger is set to "normal" initially (the menu button > right of the clock), meaning the script executes when it is > explicitly called from another script. But you can chage the trigger > by clicking that button and set it to ticking, mouseDown etc. > > - Bert - > > Am 08.07.2006 um 13:31 schrieb John Kershaw: > > I'm with you as far as 'script's trigger' - where do I find that? I > > can click the menu next to the script and drag out a 'button to > > fire this script' but nothing about mouseDown. > > > > John. > > > > On 08/07/06, Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]> wrote: Am 08.07.2006 > > > > um 11:52 schrieb John Kershaw: > > > Thanks for that. Can anyone tell me how to make an object act like > > > a button? > > > > Make a script for your object and set the script's trigger to > > mouseDown. > > > > - Bert - > > _______________________________________________ > Beginners mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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Oh. My. I CANNOT believe I missed that.
Sometimes things are just staring you in the face. Thanks - and thanks for the step-by-step tutorial, otherwise I STILL might not've got it. Are there any other tutorials around at the approx level of the 'steer a car' tutorial on the Squeakland site? I'd love to work through a bunch of similar 'learn this feature' recipes. John. On 08/07/06, Milan Zimmermann <[hidden email]> wrote: John, _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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