Squeak for Email(Was Re: Why not set up a forum?)

> Mihnea Radulescu wrote:
>>
>> Hello everybody!
>>
>> I'm new to the Squeak implementation of Smalltalk, although I have some
>> experience with C#.NET.
>>
>> I'm curious as to why this is the only (or one of the few) communities
>> that does not set up a user forum system, considering how old-fashioned and
>> cumbersome a mailing list is? There are free forum templates in PHP, for
>> example, that are very easy to set up.
>
>> Why doesn't the community feel the need to stay aligned to the common
>> trends?
>>
>
> I believe the question to ask would be "why would anybody feel the need to
> stay aligned to the common trends?"
>
> Cheers,
> Juan Vuletich
>
>> Best regards,
>> Mihnea
>
>
>

> Ronald Spengler wrote:
>
>> Which makes me wonder: does anyone here read the list from within a
>> squeak image?
>
> Me, from this 3.9 image. And pressing the "Custom F." button and
> creating a "hasText: 'X-Mailer: Celeste'" filter shows that Göran was
> also doing this until at least April 2008.
>
> Of course, this makes it trivial to deal with commit messages. I just
> point to one and press the "Part F." button to see nothing but commits.
> I can quickly scan them and "move all" to my squeak-dev folder before
> checking out the actual discussions without interruptions. Given that
> not everyone has such nice options (including me when forced to use some
> webmail interface once in a while), I think a daily digest is the best
> compromise for now.
>
> -- Jecel
>
>
>

> 2009/10/23 Jecel Assumpcao Jr <[hidden email]>:
>> Ronald Spengler wrote:
>>
>>> Which makes me wonder: does anyone here read the list from within a
>>> squeak image?
>>
>> Me, from this 3.9 image. And pressing the "Custom F." button and
>> creating a "hasText: 'X-Mailer: Celeste'" filter shows that Göran was
>> also doing this until at least April 2008.
>>
>> Of course, this makes it trivial to deal with commit messages. I just
>> point to one and press the "Part F." button to see nothing but  
>> commits.
>> I can quickly scan them and "move all" to my squeak-dev folder before
>> checking out the actual discussions without interruptions. Given that
>> not everyone has such nice options (including me when forced to use  
>> some
>> webmail interface once in a while), I think a daily digest is the  
>> best
>> compromise for now.
>>
>> -- Jecel
>>
>>
>>
>
> Again, I think daily digest is the worst solution, who would read  
> that ?
> I won't.
>
> Moving the discussion to another list is OK for core programmers, they
> will subscribe.
> But not only implementation details are discussed here, some features
> that might have impact on daily programming also are.
>
> A user who won't subscribe will loose :
> - ability to control activity of core developpers,
> - ability to participate actively on a specific new feature they want
> or want not,
> - ability to request maintaining compatibility on a deprecated  
> feature.
>
> That's one goal of trunk if I understood it : raise an interest in
> participating in core development, be it by some code input, or by
> negative feedback about some changes.
> I think it is essential, unless everyone is satisfied with current
> state of Squeak.
>
> After all, I don't care, because fortunately there is also Pharo.
> Better having two horses than one.
> Pharo was the main reason for raising a trunk wasn't it ?
>
> Nicolas

>
> On 23.10.2009, at 21:21, Nicolas Cellier wrote:
>
>> 2009/10/23 Jecel Assumpcao Jr <[hidden email]>:
>>>
>>> Ronald Spengler wrote:
>>>
>>>> Which makes me wonder: does anyone here read the list from within a
>>>> squeak image?
>>>
>>> Me, from this 3.9 image. And pressing the "Custom F." button and
>>> creating a "hasText: 'X-Mailer: Celeste'" filter shows that Göran was
>>> also doing this until at least April 2008.
>>>
>>> Of course, this makes it trivial to deal with commit messages. I just
>>> point to one and press the "Part F." button to see nothing but commits.
>>> I can quickly scan them and "move all" to my squeak-dev folder before
>>> checking out the actual discussions without interruptions. Given that
>>> not everyone has such nice options (including me when forced to use some
>>> webmail interface once in a while), I think a daily digest is the best
>>> compromise for now.
>>>
>>> -- Jecel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Again, I think daily digest is the worst solution, who would read that ?
>> I won't.
>>
>> Moving the discussion to another list is OK for core programmers, they
>> will subscribe.
>> But not only implementation details are discussed here, some features
>> that might have impact on daily programming also are.
>>
>> A user who won't subscribe will loose :
>> - ability to control activity of core developpers,
>> - ability to participate actively on a specific new feature they want
>> or want not,
>> - ability to request maintaining compatibility on a deprecated feature.
>>
>> That's one goal of trunk if I understood it : raise an interest in
>> participating in core development, be it by some code input, or by
>> negative feedback about some changes.
>> I think it is essential, unless everyone is satisfied with current
>> state of Squeak.
>>
>> After all, I don't care, because fortunately there is also Pharo.
>> Better having two horses than one.
>> Pharo was the main reason for raising a trunk wasn't it ?
>>
>> Nicolas
>
> Good points.
>
> IMHO if commit notices were to be sent to a special commits list, then no
> discussion should happen over there, but it would have its Reply-To set to
> squeak-dev.
>
> As I see it, the alternative to digests is creating a "users" list, which
> would result in splitting the community as you describe above. I think I
> hear most don't want that yet, so maybe we should try the digests for a
> while?
>
> - Bert -
>
>
>