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Squeak for robot imaging and scientific applications

Robert F. Scheer-2
I am using Squeak to control a robot, specifically a RoboMagellan
outdoor navigating robot.  Pretty soon it will be important to confront
how to implement the computer vision on this robot.  The OS is Linux.

One way to do this is to use an external vision system such as RoboRealm
running under MS Windows and communicate between the Squeak controller
and the vision system with sockets.  I'll probably do something like
that but it's only a short-term solution.  RoboRealm is a proprietary,
closed-source application that won't be able to do something I'll want
to do, perhaps something like figuring out how far the robot travels
between video frames by comparing the movement of "interest points".  At
that point I will want some type of vision or imaging library directly
accessible to Squeak.

Python has an imaging library called Python Imaging Library.  This is
one of the strongest justifications some people use to write their
entire robot code in Python in the first place.

Likewise, Python has the SciPy library, which provides a large set of
tools for signal and image processing, as well as linear algebra,
optimization, statistics and so forth.

For example, suppose I wanted to write a Kalman or other probabilistic
filter for "fusing" inputs from a cameras, inertial sensors, wheel
encoders and so forth.  In Python, the matrix operations for doing the
math would be simple calls.  

How would you approach these imaging and quasi-scientific issues in
Squeak?  Would you always end up using external packages and making
interfaces to them through sockets or through special primitives in a
custom VM?

Thanks for your thoughts.

- Robert

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Re: Squeak for robot imaging and scientific applications

Herbert König
Hello Robert,

RFS> I am using Squeak to control a robot, specifically a RoboMagellan
RFS> outdoor navigating robot.  Pretty soon it will be important to confront
RFS> how to implement the computer vision on this robot.  The OS is Linux.

Jon Hylands is doing robot control in Squeak, see www.huv.com and
several others do too.

You will find information in the archives of squeak dev.

Maybe they don't read beginners.

Cheers

Herbert                            mailto:[hidden email]

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Re: Squeak for robot imaging and scientific applications

Robert F. Scheer-2

On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 13:29 +0100, Herbert König wrote:
> Hello Robert,
>
> RFS> I am using Squeak to control a robot, specifically a RoboMagellan
> RFS> outdoor navigating robot.  Pretty soon it will be important to confront
> RFS> how to implement the computer vision on this robot.  The OS is Linux.
>
> Jon Hylands is doing robot control in Squeak, see www.huv.com and
> several others do too.
>

Thanks Herbert, yes, I already get a lot of help directly from Jon and
that's how I know about sockets and how to interface to packages like
OpenCV that is written in C++.  

So far it looks like the practical approach involves using an external
vision system that you interface Squeak to.  So you end up coding in C/C
++ or conceivably some other language like Python for that part of the
system.

Maybe this question requires advanced answers and should be posed on the
dev forum but it's really a newbie question and is very important for
anyone thinking about using Squeak in a science or engineering
context.  

> You will find information in the archives of squeak dev.

I'll look through the archives for this discussion.

- Robert

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Re: Squeak for robot imaging and scientific applications

Ken G. Brown
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Here are some more or less Squeak robotics related links I've saved, perhaps they will be of some use:

<http://sky.fit.qut.edu.au/~sitte/>

<http://www.wifibot.com/>

<http://wiki.itolab.com/wiki.cgi?page=About+Defart>

<http://www.hawcenter.org/>

<http://www.robotis.com/html/sub.php?sub=1&menu=3>

This one I think was for a wiki that Serge Stinckwich had going but does not appear to work now.
<http://www.iutc3.unicaen.fr/serge/SqueakBot>
Perhaps you can contact him about it via <http://www.iutc3.unicaen.fr/c3/SergeStinckwich>.

Ken G. Brown

At 7:55 AM -0800 1/20/08, [hidden email] apparently wrote:

>Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:02:26 -0800
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> about Squeak." <[hidden email]>
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>On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 13:29 +0100, Herbert Kˆnig wrote:
>> Hello Robert,
>>
>> RFS> I am using Squeak to control a robot, specifically a RoboMagellan
>> RFS> outdoor navigating robot.  Pretty soon it will be important to confront
>> RFS> how to implement the computer vision on this robot.  The OS is Linux.
>>
>> Jon Hylands is doing robot control in Squeak, see www.huv.com and
>> several others do too.
>>
>
>Thanks Herbert, yes, I already get a lot of help directly from Jon and
>that's how I know about sockets and how to interface to packages like
>OpenCV that is written in C++.
>
>So far it looks like the practical approach involves using an external
>vision system that you interface Squeak to.  So you end up coding in C/C
>++ or conceivably some other language like Python for that part of the
>system.
>
>Maybe this question requires advanced answers and should be posed on the
>dev forum but it's really a newbie question and is very important for
>anyone thinking about using Squeak in a science or engineering
>context.
>
>> You will find information in the archives of squeak dev.
>
>I'll look through the archives for this discussion.
>
>- Robert

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