Squeak have a roadmap?

Some time ago we talked about freezing new features to release a
stable 3.11 version.

But now seems that the commits never ends and I'm not sure what is the
point were you (the Board?)
think should be achieved to freeze the development and make the release.

I think that we need to release a stable and up-to-date version to the
people that try to use Squeak as
a serious tool, delivering solutions to production customers.

And after 3.11, what are the plans? Are written somewhere?

 Cheers.

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>>>>> "Germán" == Germán Arduino <[hidden email]> writes:

Germán> But now seems that the commits never ends and I'm not sure what is the
Germán> point were you (the Board?)  think should be achieved to freeze the
Germán> development and make the release.

We've considered a 3.11, but more likely, since 4.0 is right around the corner
(we're in the final steps with SFC for joining), we'll probably release a 4.0
that is basically 3.10.2 with a condensed sources file, and then aim for a 4.1
release by rebasing all of the trunk on 4.0.  Obviously, an unstable 4.1
would be silly, so at some point will have to have the usual feature-freeze,
release candidates, and then finals.

Optimistically, we can have 4.0 out within a month, and 4.1 maybe within a
month or two after that.

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That sounds great, even optimistically =)

Travis

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>>>>> "Germán" == Germán Arduino <[hidden email]> writes:

Germán> But now seems that the commits never ends and I'm not sure what is
the
Germán> point were you (the Board?)  think should be achieved to freeze the
Germán> development and make the release.

We've considered a 3.11, but more likely, since 4.0 is right around the
corner
(we're in the final steps with SFC for joining), we'll probably release a
4.0
that is basically 3.10.2 with a condensed sources file, and then aim for a
4.1
release by rebasing all of the trunk on 4.0.  Obviously, an unstable 4.1
would be silly, so at some point will have to have the usual feature-freeze,
release candidates, and then finals.

Optimistically, we can have 4.0 out within a month, and 4.1 maybe within a
month or two after that.

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Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
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On 1/17/10 12:05 AM, "Randal L. Schwartz" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> We've considered a 3.11, but more likely, since 4.0 is right around the corner
> (we're in the final steps with SFC for joining), we'll probably release a 4.0
> that is basically 3.10.2 with a condensed sources file, and then aim for a 4.1
> release by rebasing all of the trunk on 4.0.  Obviously, an unstable 4.1
> would be silly, so at some point will have to have the usual feature-freeze,
> release candidates, and then finals.
>
> Optimistically, we can have 4.0 out within a month, and 4.1 maybe within a
> month or two after that.

We talk about 4.0 a lot, but if is only a clean license 3.10 with condensed
sources .....

What about the unload of all what could be unloaded?

After the Andreas mail I make a 3.11Unloaded , but no others mails about
unload and how to have a thing with less packages as main and all on top
from web.

What about many Sophie (now dead), Squeakland, Croquet/Cobalt , etc goodies
which could run easily on Squeak?

Maybe Apple made his long talked Tablet in days , where the modern
equivalent of Genie?

Edgar

>>>>> "Edgar" == Edgar J De Cleene <[hidden email]> writes:

Edgar> We talk about 4.0 a lot, but if is only a clean license 3.10 with condensed
Edgar> sources .....

It has to be, just to keep the licensing deal simple for SFC.  They are
evaluating and "blessing" 3.10.2 as published.

Edgar> After the Andreas mail I make a 3.11Unloaded , but no others mails about
Edgar> unload and how to have a thing with less packages as main and all on top
Edgar> from web.

Then that same work would apply to make a 4.1 easily.  Thanks for doing that.

If we can get the core down smaller, but everything still loadable back on,
life is good.

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