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Squeak image and VM version for STEPS packages?

Phil B
Does anyone happen to know what version(s) of the Squeak image and VM
the STEPS packages at http://tinlizzie.org/updates/exploratory/packages
/ work with?

Thanks,
Phil

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Bert Freudenberg
On 07.06.2016, at 13:04, Phil (list) <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Does anyone happen to know what version(s) of the Squeak image and VM
> the STEPS packages at http://tinlizzie.org/updates/exploratory/packages
> / work with?


It was a 4.3 based trunk image updated to update-bf.217.mcm (by way of FrankUpdater>>systemRelease in the Grease package).

The VM was a Croquet Cog 4.0 one with the Gezira and Worlds plugins.

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Phil B
On Tue, 2016-06-07 at 13:14 +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:

> On 07.06.2016, at 13:04, Phil (list) <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Does anyone happen to know what version(s) of the Squeak image and
> > VM
> > the STEPS packages at http://tinlizzie.org/updates/exploratory/pack
> > ages
> > / work with?
>
> It was a 4.3 based trunk image updated to update-bf.217.mcm (by way
> of FrankUpdater>>systemRelease in the Grease package).
>

Bert, 

Thanks, that's quite helpful!

> The VM was a Croquet Cog 4.0 one with the Gezira and Worlds plugins.
>

I didn't know there was such a beast (i.e. a Croquet Cog VM)... is that
something I can download somewhere along with the plugins or was it a
custom build?

> - Bert -
>
>
>

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Bert Freudenberg
On 07.06.2016, at 13:26, Phil (list) <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> On Tue, 2016-06-07 at 13:14 +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>> On 07.06.2016, at 13:04, Phil (list) <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone happen to know what version(s) of the Squeak image and
>>> VM
>>> the STEPS packages at http://tinlizzie.org/updates/exploratory/pack
>>> ages
>>> / work with?
>>
>> It was a 4.3 based trunk image updated to update-bf.217.mcm (by way
>> of FrankUpdater>>systemRelease in the Grease package).
>>
>
> Bert,
>
> Thanks, that's quite helpful!
>
>> The VM was a Croquet Cog 4.0 one with the Gezira and Worlds plugins.
>>
>
> I didn't know there was such a beast (i.e. a Croquet Cog VM)... is that
> something I can download somewhere along with the plugins or was it a
> custom build?
Any newer Cog (pre-Spur) VM should be fine.

Cog started as a project sponsored by Qwaq who developed a professional collaboration tool based on Croquet (later renamed to Teleplace and now called Terf by 3DICC).

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Phil B
On Tue, 2016-06-07 at 13:36 +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:

> On 07.06.2016, at 13:26, Phil (list) <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > 
> > > > Does anyone happen to know what version(s) of the Squeak image
> > > > and
> > > > VM
> > > > the STEPS packages at http://tinlizzie.org/updates/exploratory/
> > > > pack
> > > > ages
> > > > / work with?
> > > It was a 4.3 based trunk image updated to update-bf.217.mcm (by
> > > way
> > > of FrankUpdater>>systemRelease in the Grease package).

A follow-up question: once updated using FrankUpater
#updateFromSystemRepository, is loading Frank via the latest .mcm the
way to go (i.e. exploratory/packages/update-yo.54.mcm) or an
alternative approach suggested?   My first attempt resulted in OMeta
attempting to load out of order (postload before preload) and an
undefined method (on LObject, iirc) so I'm thinking that either the
load configuration is a bit out of date/broken or there's an alternate
way I should be doing things?

> Cog started as a project sponsored by Qwaq who developed a
> professional collaboration tool based on Croquet (later renamed to
> Teleplace and now called Terf by 3DICC).
>

I was familiar with some of the history but don't think I'd heard it
referred to as the Croquet Cog VM before. (i.e. I only recall it being
called just the Cog VM)


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Bert Freudenberg
On 07.06.2016, at 21:07, Phil (list) <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> On Tue, 2016-06-07 at 13:36 +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>> On 07.06.2016, at 13:26, Phil (list) <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>  
>>>>> Does anyone happen to know what version(s) of the Squeak image
>>>>> and
>>>>> VM
>>>>> the STEPS packages at http://tinlizzie.org/updates/exploratory/
>>>>> pack
>>>>> ages
>>>>> / work with?
>>>> It was a 4.3 based trunk image updated to update-bf.217.mcm (by
>>>> way
>>>> of FrankUpdater>>systemRelease in the Grease package).
>
> A follow-up question: once updated using FrankUpater
> #updateFromSystemRepository, is loading Frank via the latest .mcm the
> way to go (i.e. exploratory/packages/update-yo.54.mcm) or an
> alternative approach suggested?   My first attempt resulted in OMeta
> attempting to load out of order (postload before preload) and an
> undefined method (on LObject, iirc) so I'm thinking that either the
> load configuration is a bit out of date/broken or there's an alternate
> way I should be doing things?
Don’t remember to be honest ... Looks like an ordering bug we didn’t notice because we didn’t rebuild our images but just updated them ... Maybe load OMeta-Preload manually first?

>> Cog started as a project sponsored by Qwaq who developed a
>> professional collaboration tool based on Croquet (later renamed to
>> Teleplace and now called Terf by 3DICC).
>>
>
> I was familiar with some of the history but don't think I'd heard it
> referred to as the Croquet Cog VM before. (i.e. I only recall it being
> called just the Cog VM)

The difference is probably just the name and icon.

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Phil B
On Tue, 2016-06-07 at 21:56 +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:

> On 07.06.2016, at 21:07, Phil (list) <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > A follow-up question: once updated using FrankUpater
> > #updateFromSystemRepository, is loading Frank via the latest .mcm
> > the
> > way to go (i.e. exploratory/packages/update-yo.54.mcm) or an
> > alternative approach suggested?   My first attempt resulted in
> > OMeta
> > attempting to load out of order (postload before preload) and an
> > undefined method (on LObject, iirc) so I'm thinking that either the
> > load configuration is a bit out of date/broken or there's an
> > alternate
> > way I should be doing things?
> Don’t remember to be honest ... Looks like an ordering bug we didn’t
> notice because we didn’t rebuild our images but just updated them ...
> Maybe load OMeta-Preload manually first?

Fair enough... just figured I'd ask in case it was something simple I
was overlooking.  Yes, the OMeta ordering was pretty straightforward.
 You've given me a good starting point and I can work through the
remaining loading issues.

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