Squeak license situation

>
> On 20-Nov-07, at 11:48 AM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote:
>
>> What is the situation regarding the change to MIT license for
>> Squeak.org?
>
> There are *still* people that have code in the system and haven't
> signed and sent in the licensing form.
>
> You can see a complete list of initials and the names we believe
> attach to them, a list of missing email addresses and get a copy of
> the license form from Craig's page at
> http://www.netjam.org/squeak/contributors/
>
> The following list of initials and names (where known) is derived from
> Andrew Black's analysis
> AFi:  Alain Fischer
> ASF:  ?
> BJP:  Bijan Parsia
> BP:  Bijan Parsia
> EW:  ?
> JW:  Jesse Welton
> JWS:  John Sarkela
> KTT:  Kurt Thams
> LEG:  Gerald Leeb
> MAL:  Michael Latta
> MM:  marca?
> MPH:  Michael Hewner
> PH:  Phil Hudson
> PHK:  Peter Keeler
> RAH:  Richard A. Harmon
> RB:  Roland Bertuli
> RCS:  Russell Swan
> RJ:  Ranjan Bagchi
> RvL:  Reinier van Loon
> TAG:  Travis Griggs
> TBP:  ?
> abc:  ?
> ac:  Andres Coratella
> acg:  Andrew C. Greenberg
> ag:  Andrew Gaylard?
> aoy:  Andres Otaduy
> bmk:  Brian Keefer
> bolot:  Bolot Kerimbaev
> bvs:  Ben Schroeder
> de:  ?
> djp:  David J. Pennell
> dls:  ?
> dns:  David N. Smith
> drs:  ?
> dwh:  Dwight Hughes
> eat:  Eric Arseneau Tremblay
> edt:  ?
> em:  Ernest Micklei?
> emm:  Ernest Micklei
> hg:  Henrik Gedenryd
> hh:  Helge Horch
> jdl:  ?
> jj:  ?
> jla:  Jerry Archibald
> jsp:  Jeff Pierce
> jwh:  Jim Heyne
> len:  Luciano Esteban Notarfrancesco
> los:  Lothar Schenk
> m:  ?
> mdr:  Mike Rutenberg
> mkd:  Michael Donegan
> mx:  Maximialiano Taborda
> nm:  Norberto Manzanos
> nop:  Jay Carlson
> panda:  ?
> pmm:  ?
> pnm:  Paul McDonough
> programmatic:  ?
> r++:  Gerardo Richarte
> reThink:  John Sarkela
> rjf:  Ricardo J. Ferreira
> rlf:  ?
> rop:  Russell Penney
> rpj:  Robert P. Jarvis
> sac:  Scott Crosby
> sk:  ?
> tfei:  The Fourth Estate, Inc.
> to:  ?
> tp:  ?
> ts:  Torsten Sadowski
> ward:  Ward Cunningham
> wb:  Wayne Braun
> wdc:  Bill Cattey
>
> If you are one of these people, please go to the above webpage and
> sign & send the form. If you know any of these people, please ask them
> to go to the above webpage and sign & send the form.
>
> Oh, and I *think* that strictly speaking we're not in the business of
> relicensing the system as MIT; Apple relicensed the 1.1 release under
> the Apache 2.0 license and we are trying to get everything added
> subsequently to be under MIT. So far as I can work out that means the
> *system* as a whole will be legally Apache 2.0 but I am not a lawyer
> and I don't even play one on TV.
>
>
> tim
> --
> tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
> Borrow money from pessimists--they don't expect it back.
>
>
>
>

>
> On 20-Nov-07, at 10:23 PM, Karl wrote:
> >>
> > We could list the number of methods these people have changed, some  
> > maybe just changed one or two, then it would be faster to just  
> > reimplement the method under the right license.
>
> We can do better than that. Andrew derived the list of methods  
> associated with initials that appear to be related to people that have  
> not signed and returned the license agreement.
>

>
> On 20-Nov-07, at 11:48 AM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote:
>
>> What is the situation regarding the change to MIT license for  
>> Squeak.org?
>
> There are *still* people that have code in the system and haven't  
> signed and sent in the licensing form.
>
> You can see a complete list of initials and the names we believe  
> attach to them, a list of missing email addresses and get a copy of  
> the license form from Craig's page at
> http://www.netjam.org/squeak/contributors/
>
> The following list of initials and names (where known) is derived  
> from Andrew Black's analysis
> AFi:  Alain Fischer
> ASF:  ?
> BJP:  Bijan Parsia
> BP:  Bijan Parsia
> EW:  ?
> JW:  Jesse Welton
> JWS:  John Sarkela
> KTT:  Kurt Thams
> LEG:  Gerald Leeb
> MAL:  Michael Latta
> MM:  marca?
> MPH:  Michael Hewner
> PH:  Phil Hudson
> PHK:  Peter Keeler
> RAH:  Richard A. Harmon
> RB:  Roland Bertuli
> RCS:  Russell Swan
> RJ:  Ranjan Bagchi
> RvL:  Reinier van Loon
> TAG:  Travis Griggs
> TBP:  ?
> abc:  ?
> ac:  Andres Coratella
> acg:  Andrew C. Greenberg
> ag:  Andrew Gaylard?
> aoy:  Andres Otaduy
> bmk:  Brian Keefer
> bolot:  Bolot Kerimbaev
> bvs:  Ben Schroeder
> de:  ?
> djp:  David J. Pennell
> dls:  ?
> dns:  David N. Smith
> drs:  ?
> dwh:  Dwight Hughes
> eat:  Eric Arseneau Tremblay
> edt:  ?
> em:  Ernest Micklei?
> emm:  Ernest Micklei
> hg:  Henrik Gedenryd
> hh:  Helge Horch
> jdl:  ?
> jj:  ?
> jla:  Jerry Archibald
> jsp:  Jeff Pierce
> jwh:  Jim Heyne
> len:  Luciano Esteban Notarfrancesco
> los:  Lothar Schenk
> m:  ?
> mdr:  Mike Rutenberg
> mkd:  Michael Donegan
> mx:  Maximialiano Taborda
> nm:  Norberto Manzanos
> nop:  Jay Carlson
> panda:  ?
> pmm:  ?
> pnm:  Paul McDonough
> programmatic:  ?
> r++:  Gerardo Richarte
> reThink:  John Sarkela
> rjf:  Ricardo J. Ferreira
> rlf:  ?
> rop:  Russell Penney
> rpj:  Robert P. Jarvis
> sac:  Scott Crosby
> sk:  ?
> tfei:  The Fourth Estate, Inc.
> to:  ?
> tp:  ?
> ts:  Torsten Sadowski
> ward:  Ward Cunningham
> wb:  Wayne Braun
> wdc:  Bill Cattey
>
> If you are one of these people, please go to the above webpage and  
> sign & send the form. If you know any of these people, please ask  
> them to go to the above webpage and sign & send the form.
>
> Oh, and I *think* that strictly speaking we're not in the business  
> of relicensing the system as MIT; Apple relicensed the 1.1 release  
> under the Apache 2.0 license and we are trying to get everything  
> added subsequently to be under MIT. So far as I can work out that  
> means the *system* as a whole will be legally Apache 2.0 but I am  
> not a lawyer and I don't even play one on TV.
>
>
> tim
> --
> tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
> Borrow money from pessimists--they don't expect it back.
>
>
>
>

>   Hello,
>
>> The following list of initials and names (where known) is derived
>> from Andrew Black's analysis
>
>   A few more people turn in their agreements.  The person who are
> taking care of the list at Viewpoints will send a notice to Craig.
>
>   Alain Fischer, Bolot Karimbaev, and John Sarkela (finally! thanks to
> Andres) did.  I thought Ben Schroeder did, but not sure of the top of
> my head.  I cornered Ward at OOPSLA on one day, but didn't have a copy
> of agreement handy.  And next day, I missed the chance...
>
>> If you are one of these people, please go to the above webpage and
>> sign & send the form. If you know any of these people, please ask  
>> them
>> to go to the above webpage and sign & send the form.
>
>   Yes, please.
>
> -- Yoshiki
>
>

> tim Rowledge wrote:
>>
>> On 20-Nov-07, at 11:48 AM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote:
>>
>>> What is the situation regarding the change to MIT license for  
>>> Squeak.org?
>>
>> There are *still* people that have code in the system and haven't  
>> signed and sent in the licensing form.
>>
>> You can see a complete list of initials and the names we believe  
>> attach to them, a list of missing email addresses and get a copy  
>> of the license form from Craig's page at
>> http://www.netjam.org/squeak/contributors/
>>
>> The following list of initials and names (where known) is derived  
>> from Andrew Black's analysis
>> AFi:  Alain Fischer
>> ASF:  ?
>> BJP:  Bijan Parsia
>> BP:  Bijan Parsia
>> EW:  ?
>> JW:  Jesse Welton
>> JWS:  John Sarkela
>> KTT:  Kurt Thams
>> LEG:  Gerald Leeb
>> MAL:  Michael Latta
>> MM:  marca?
>> MPH:  Michael Hewner
>> PH:  Phil Hudson
>> PHK:  Peter Keeler
>> RAH:  Richard A. Harmon
>> RB:  Roland Bertuli
>> RCS:  Russell Swan
>> RJ:  Ranjan Bagchi
>> RvL:  Reinier van Loon
>> TAG:  Travis Griggs
>> TBP:  ?
>> abc:  ?
>> ac:  Andres Coratella
>> acg:  Andrew C. Greenberg
>> ag:  Andrew Gaylard?
>> aoy:  Andres Otaduy
>> bmk:  Brian Keefer
>> bolot:  Bolot Kerimbaev
>> bvs:  Ben Schroeder
>> de:  ?
>> djp:  David J. Pennell
>> dls:  ?
>> dns:  David N. Smith
>> drs:  ?
>> dwh:  Dwight Hughes
>> eat:  Eric Arseneau Tremblay
>> edt:  ?
>> em:  Ernest Micklei?
>> emm:  Ernest Micklei
>> hg:  Henrik Gedenryd
>> hh:  Helge Horch
>> jdl:  ?
>> jj:  ?
>> jla:  Jerry Archibald
>> jsp:  Jeff Pierce
>> jwh:  Jim Heyne
>> len:  Luciano Esteban Notarfrancesco
>> los:  Lothar Schenk
>> m:  ?
>> mdr:  Mike Rutenberg
>> mkd:  Michael Donegan
>> mx:  Maximialiano Taborda
>> nm:  Norberto Manzanos
>> nop:  Jay Carlson
>> panda:  ?
>> pmm:  ?
>> pnm:  Paul McDonough
>> programmatic:  ?
>> r++:  Gerardo Richarte
>> reThink:  John Sarkela
>> rjf:  Ricardo J. Ferreira
>> rlf:  ?
>> rop:  Russell Penney
>> rpj:  Robert P. Jarvis
>> sac:  Scott Crosby
>> sk:  ?
>> tfei:  The Fourth Estate, Inc.
>> to:  ?
>> tp:  ?
>> ts:  Torsten Sadowski
>> ward:  Ward Cunningham
>> wb:  Wayne Braun
>> wdc:  Bill Cattey
>>
>> If you are one of these people, please go to the above webpage and  
>> sign & send the form. If you know any of these people, please ask  
>> them to go to the above webpage and sign & send the form.
>>
>> Oh, and I *think* that strictly speaking we're not in the business  
>> of relicensing the system as MIT; Apple relicensed the 1.1 release  
>> under the Apache 2.0 license and we are trying to get everything  
>> added subsequently to be under MIT. So far as I can work out that  
>> means the *system* as a whole will be legally Apache 2.0 but I am  
>> not a lawyer and I don't even play one on TV.
>>
>>
>> tim
>> --
>> tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
>> Borrow money from pessimists--they don't expect it back.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> We could list the number of methods these people have changed, some  
> maybe just changed one or two, then it would be faster to just  
> reimplement the method under the right license.
>
> Karl
>
>
>
>

>
> On 20-Nov-07, at 10:23 PM, Karl wrote:
>>>
>> We could list the number of methods these people have changed, some
>> maybe just changed one or two, then it would be faster to just
>> reimplement the method under the right license.
>
> We can do better than that. Andrew derived the list of methods
> associated with initials that appear to be related to people that have
> not signed and returned the license agreement.

> On Nov 21, 2007, at 3:55 , tim Rowledge wrote:
>
>> Oh, and I *think* that strictly speaking we're not in the business of
>> relicensing the system as MIT; Apple relicensed the 1.1 release under
>> the Apache 2.0 license and we are trying to get everything added
>> subsequently to be under MIT. So far as I can work out that means the
>> *system* as a whole will be legally Apache 2.0 but I am not a lawyer
>> and I don't even play one on TV.
>
> Indeed - the board is trying to get clarification on this from VPRI's
> lawyers.
>
> What we can say for sure is the history of events to date:
>
> ==========
> On 23 September 1996, Apple Computer Inc. released Squeak V1.1 under
> the "Squeak License" (SqL).
>
> On May 8, 2006 Apple agreed to relicense original Squeak Code under
> the "Apple Public Source License 2.0" (APSL 2.0).
>
> On October 12, 2006 Apple granted permission to relicense under Apache
> 2.0.
>
> In 2006, VPRI began to collect "Distribution Agreements" for all
> contributors to Squeak since V1.1 up to V3.8, asking them to relicense
> their contributions, which were originally licensed under SqL, to the
> MIT license. This was a great effort on behalf of many and VPRI has
> 100s of signed documents agreeing to this.
> ==========
>
> This, I think, should be mentioned on
> http://www.squeak.org/SqueakLicense/ which is somewhat fuzzy.

> hi all,
>
> Wat will be the role of young squeakers like me.......i am relatively
> new to this business and i need help regarding understanding my role
> in here? wat happens if MIT licence is given to squeak?does any of my
> freedom regarding using sueak code will be affected...?I have
> published something in squeak map ...will that be affected too...
>
> pls reply with details...coz i am new to this and totally ignorant bot
> the leagal as well as licensing aspects...
>
> TIA,
>
> thushar(grt)

>
>
> On 11/22/07, * Karl* <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>     > On Nov 21, 2007, at 3:55 , tim Rowledge wrote:
>     >
>     >> Oh, and I *think* that strictly speaking we're not in the
>     business of
>     >> relicensing the system as MIT; Apple relicensed the 1.1 release
>     under
>     >> the Apache 2.0 license and we are trying to get everything added
>     >> subsequently to be under MIT. So far as I can work out that
>     means the
>     >> *system* as a whole will be legally Apache 2.0 but I am not a
>     lawyer
>     >> and I don't even play one on TV.
>     >
>     > Indeed - the board is trying to get clarification on this from
>     VPRI's
>     > lawyers.
>     >
>     > What we can say for sure is the history of events to date:
>     >
>     > ==========
>     > On 23 September 1996, Apple Computer Inc. released Squeak V1.1 under
>     > the "Squeak License" (SqL).
>     >
>     > On May 8, 2006 Apple agreed to relicense original Squeak Code under
>     > the "Apple Public Source License 2.0" (APSL 2.0).
>     >
>     > On October 12, 2006 Apple granted permission to relicense under
>     Apache
>     > 2.0.
>     >
>     > In 2006, VPRI began to collect "Distribution Agreements" for all
>     > contributors to Squeak since V1.1 up to V3.8, asking them to
>     relicense
>     > their contributions, which were originally licensed under SqL,
>     to the
>     > MIT license. This was a great effort on behalf of many and VPRI has
>     > 100s of signed documents agreeing to this.
>     > ==========
>     >
>     > This, I think, should be mentioned on
>     > http://www.squeak.org/SqueakLicense/ which is somewhat fuzzy.
>     I made some changes to the license page. It's still fuzzy but the
>     whole
>     license situation is a little fuzzy :-)
>
>     Karl
>
>
>
>
> --
> thuchu
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