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On 11/21/2009 11:50 AM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
>>>>>> "Jimmie" == Jimmie Houchin<[hidden email]> writes: >>>>>> > Jimmie> 1. visual learners; > Jimmie> 2. auditory learners; > Jimmie> 3. reading/writing-preference learners; > Jimmie> 4. kinesthetic learners or tactile learners^ > > Yes, there's that aspect of it as well, which is orthogonal > to the items I talked about (structure vs concept vs example). > > So some people might want visual examples, while others want auditory > concepts first. > > In particular, I'm very non-visual (mostly auditory and kine), so my books and > writings are very non-visual as well. I've had to learn to adapt when people > in class say "yes, but what does an array *look like* in memory", because for > me, that's something I'd never be curious about, as long as I understood > (through listening and typing) how to manipulate them. > > In fact, not to get too off the subject, but it wasn't until I was 19 years > old that I had even been exposed to the fact that people can think using > visual hallucinations, or remember using visual images. I thought everyone > talked to themselves in words in their head like I was doing to think or > remember. And to this day, visual processing is *very* difficult for me. > Everything I do, I do with words, not pictures. Icons that don't have > tooltips are a *real* pain for me, because I can't associate a direct thought > with an icon... I have to first try to remember the word the icon represents, > and then I can remember what that would mean. ("Scissors? why would > they have a pair of scissors on an action bar... oh... *cut*" repeatedly.) > I think icons and graphics are great, but they do need to be tied to some name, some form of linguistic identification which the icon is represents. I generally like icons when I've learned their linguistic representation. But I do believe that good tooltips is a must. I think the advantage of icons/graphics/images/pictures/etc... is universality and terseness. But just like written words and definitions, the iconic representation also is learned and is not necessarily natural or intuitive. I watched a video on Common Lisp awhile back which referenced the Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis. It spoke of our ability to remember things based on our languages ability to describe the item. In specific it referenced a study on the shades of gray and ability to remember based on the languages capacity to differentiate/identify the different shades. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=448441135356213813 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_relativity I don't believe this is too off topic if really off topic for squeak-dev. Since Squeak itself is used for education and this in particular instance referencing means and methods of documentation. :) Jimmie |
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On Friday 20 November 2009 11:14:34 pm Eliot Miranda wrote:
> > Many steps in Squeak are simple to the point of being incredible. But the > > path > > to simplicity is complex. Documentation/ site could help by indexing > > beginner > > (Developer) videos/screencasts at the top level. > > > > Subbu > > I can not disagree more. Which do you prefer, this? > > http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2119529,00.asp > > or this? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9r1UAVq9AU I never suggested replacing linear docs with visual docs. They are not exclusive. My suggestion was to start including short screencasts in Documentation/ page (even if it is a link to the vimeo page). Screencasts take much less effort to produce and distribute these days than linear docs so the trend is only likely to accelerate in the coming years. Subbu |
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On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 8:10 PM, K. K. Subramaniam <[hidden email]> wrote:
OK. Agreed. I should stop beating a dead horse but I'm not against visual documentation either. The examples I posted were both visual. One used text interspersed with pictures. One used video augmented with a bad rock intro, and a HAL like voice over. I know which one I prefer, which one I can index and which one is cheaper to edit. But I agree, augmenting intro doc with short videos showing screen interaction can be nice as encouragement to newbies. As long as no one expects someone to sit through a 15 minute video tutorial in which any embedded text is inaccessible, etc, etc.
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In reply to this post by Bert Freudenberg
The first one is finally available on Vimeo: http://vimeo.com/7783848 |
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And, the second one is available as well: http://vimeo.com/7788571 |
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On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 20:54 -0800, Patrick Shouse wrote:
> > Patrick Shouse wrote: > > > > > > > > Bert Freudenberg wrote: > >> > >> On 20.11.2009, at 23:00, Patrick wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Bert Freudenberg wrote: > >>>> > >>>> On 20.11.2009, at 09:00, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> "K" == K K Subramaniam <[hidden email]> writes: > >>>>> > >>>>> K> Visual environments like Squeak need visual docs and > >>>>> video/screencasts > >>>>> K> cannot be found easily on the web. Try googling for "squeak submit > >>>>> fix > >>>>> K> video", for instance. > >>>>> > >>>>> Vimeo allows the author *and* others to both add tags to a video. > >>>>> One of the many things I like about the interface. > >>>> > >>>> Yes yes yes all right, if I ever do a screencast again I'll try making > >>>> something uploadable to vimeo or wherever. What I used was just > >>>> incredibly > >>>> simple and free ... > >>>> > >>>> - Bert - > >>>> > >>> > >>> Bert, if you enable the download links for these, I'll pull a copy and > >>> post > >>> them on Vimeo. > >> > >> There is no option to "enable" download. These are the two video files: > >> > >> http://content.screencast.com/users/Squeaker/folders/Squeak/media/f3eaa38c-92ab-4f7b-99a3-1ebb91d78537/00000001.swf?downloadOnly=true > >> > >> http://content.screencast.com/users/Squeaker/folders/Squeak/media/aa6b244f-9c2d-4335-b38b-2b83253fdc9e/00000002.swf?downloadOnly=true > >> > >> No idea how to convert them though. > >> > >> - Bert - > >> > > > > The first one is finally available on Vimeo: > > http://vimeo.com/7783848 > > > > And, the second one is available as well: > http://vimeo.com/7788571 > My FreeBSD systems uses gnash to play Flash videos. I can view the link on screencast but not vimeo. Of more interest to me is how I can access and view such content from within Squeak. I just ran across gee-mail, any thought of using that for this task? I get the feeling gee-mail hasn't caught on. -- Gary Dunn, Honolulu [hidden email] http://openslate.net/ http://e9erust.blogspot.com/ Sent from Slate001 |
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