> On 1/2/07, Aleksandr Skobelev <al_skobelev at mail.ru> wrote:
> > > I'm wondering, is there any reason for Squeak to be so deadly > slow on > > iBook with 1.33 GHz Power PC CPU and 1 GB RAM and load it so > much? Is > > it a feature of the PPC implmentation or Squeak itself? Is there any > > choice that in near future Squeak performace on PPC will improve? > > Our definitions of "deadly slow" may be different. I run Squeak on an > old iBook... > > Machine Name: iBook G4 > Machine Model: PowerBook6,5 > CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (1.1) > Number Of CPUs: 1 > CPU Speed: 1.33 GHz > L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB > Memory: 768 MB > Bus Speed: 133 MHz > > ...with less memory than you have and find it more than fast enough. > What are you doing with Squeak? > > Steve Well we have almost identical iBooks (I have 256 MB more and an updated CPU): Machine Name: iBook G4 Machine Model: PowerBook6,7 CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (1.2) Number Of CPUs: 1 CPU Speed: 1.33 GHz L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB Memory: 1 GB Bus Speed: 133 MHz But I can not say it is more than fast enough. It might be that I was a bit incorrect in my previous message, and I needed to title it "Squeak CPU speed". But the sad story that I do almost nothing with it, I'm just trying to use it figure out what it is. And I see that GUI responsiveness is too low and the such basic operations as changing a window size or moving it (with fastDragWindowForMorphic disaibled) load CPU upto 100%. And after I've installed DejaVu fonts, I need to wait upto 4 seconds everytime I change size of the SqueakMap Package Loader window. Switching from the Class libraries category to Development tools takes about 8 seconds. Thanks, Aleksandr _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
What version of Squeak are you using? I found the DejaVu fonts made
the GUI unusably slow using 3.8 - I haven't tried them in 3.9, and I don't know if this problem has been resolved. But out of the box both 3.8 and 3.9 are very fast, and I get nowhere near 100% CPU load. (Another) Steve On 1/3/07, Aleksandr Skobelev <[hidden email]> wrote: > ... And I see that > GUI responsiveness is too low and the such basic operations as > changing a window size or moving it (with fastDragWindowForMorphic > disaibled) load CPU upto 100%. And after I've installed DejaVu fonts, > I need to wait upto 4 seconds everytime I change size of the > SqueakMap Package Loader window. _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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On 1/3/07, Aleksandr Skobelev <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > On 1/2/07, Aleksandr Skobelev <al_skobelev at mail.ru> wrote: > > > > > I'm wondering, is there any reason for Squeak to be so deadly > > slow on > > > iBook with 1.33 GHz Power PC CPU and 1 GB RAM and load it so > > much? Is > > > it a feature of the PPC implmentation or Squeak itself? Is there any > > > choice that in near future Squeak performace on PPC will improve? > > > > Our definitions of "deadly slow" may be different. I run Squeak on an > > old iBook... > > > > Machine Name: iBook G4 > > Machine Model: PowerBook6,5 > > CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (1.1) > > Number Of CPUs: 1 > > CPU Speed: 1.33 GHz > > L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB > > Memory: 768 MB > > Bus Speed: 133 MHz > > > > ...with less memory than you have and find it more than fast enough. > > What are you doing with Squeak? > > > > Steve > > Well we have almost identical iBooks (I have 256 MB more and an > updated CPU): > > Machine Name: iBook G4 > Machine Model: PowerBook6,7 > CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (1.2) > Number Of CPUs: 1 > CPU Speed: 1.33 GHz > L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB > Memory: 1 GB > Bus Speed: 133 MHz > > But I can not say it is more than fast enough. It might be that I was > a bit incorrect in my previous message, and I needed to title it > "Squeak CPU speed". But the sad story that I do almost nothing with > it, I'm just trying to use it figure out what it is. And I see that > GUI responsiveness is too low and the such basic operations as > changing a window size or moving it (with fastDragWindowForMorphic > disaibled) load CPU upto 100%. And after I've installed DejaVu fonts, > I need to wait upto 4 seconds everytime I change size of the > SqueakMap Package Loader window. Switching from the Class libraries > category to Development tools takes about 8 seconds. So...how does a vanilla image perform? And which image version are you using? I have fastDrag enabled (disabling is too slow for me too) and I haven't installed those fonts. Steve _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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Hi!
Aleksandr Skobelev <[hidden email]> wrote: > And after I've installed DejaVu fonts, > I need to wait upto 4 seconds everytime I change size of the > SqueakMap Package Loader window. Switching from the Class libraries > category to Development tools takes about 8 seconds. This would be interesting to profile - we can have gross inefficiencies in how the tree widget operates and/or how the SM model behaves when asked about labels etc. I can see if I can get time to do that. Can you give me a description of your image so that I can replicate it? Or can you put it up for me to use? If you can I can give you an ftp area to put it. regards, Göran _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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note that there is one patch missing in 3.9 for font caching.
Stef On 3 janv. 07, at 16:18, Stephen Austin wrote: > What version of Squeak are you using? I found the DejaVu fonts made > the GUI unusably slow using 3.8 - I haven't tried them in 3.9, and I > don't know if this problem has been resolved. But out of the box both > 3.8 and 3.9 are very fast, and I get nowhere near 100% CPU load. > > (Another) Steve > > > On 1/3/07, Aleksandr Skobelev <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> ... And I see that >> GUI responsiveness is too low and the such basic operations as >> changing a window size or moving it (with fastDragWindowForMorphic >> disaibled) load CPU upto 100%. And after I've installed DejaVu fonts, >> I need to wait upto 4 seconds everytime I change size of the >> SqueakMap Package Loader window. > _______________________________________________ > Beginners mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners > _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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