[Squeak5.3a][18828][Test][User] SqueakHelp Metacello Getting Started // ProfStef not known

> Hmm... there is Metacello help in Trunk. Maybe after you install Metacello?
>
> Best,
> Marcel
> Am 02.09.2019 17:29:44 schrieb H. Hirzel <[hidden email]>:
> Hello
>
> I opened a recent Squeak5.3.a-18828 image.
>
> There is now a Metacello help together with a tutorial. Nice!
> I tested the tutorial.
>
> In the Getting Started Section after I have done
>
> ConfigurationOfMetacello project latestVersion load: #('Tutorial').
>
>
> I am asked to do
>
> ProfStef goOn: MetacelloConfigurationTutorialPart1.
>
>
> Then I get a feedback that ProfStef is not known.
>
>
> Question:
> How would a fix look like?
>
> Regards
>
> Hannes
>
>

> I checked again
>
> Correct: Metacello help is NOT in the trunk.
>
> It comes to the image through
>
>       Installer ensureRecentMetacello
>
> --Hannes
>
> On 9/2/19, Marcel Taeumel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hmm... there is Metacello help in Trunk. Maybe after you install
>> Metacello?
>>
>> Best,
>> Marcel
>> Am 02.09.2019 17:29:44 schrieb H. Hirzel <[hidden email]>:
>> Hello
>>
>> I opened a recent Squeak5.3.a-18828 image.
>>
>> There is now a Metacello help together with a tutorial. Nice!
>> I tested the tutorial.
>>
>> In the Getting Started Section after I have done
>>
>> ConfigurationOfMetacello project latestVersion load: #('Tutorial').
>>
>>
>> I am asked to do
>>
>> ProfStef goOn: MetacelloConfigurationTutorialPart1.
>>
>>
>> Then I get a feedback that ProfStef is not known.
>>
>>
>> Question:
>> How would a fix look like?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Hannes
>>
>>
>

> On 02.09.2019, at 18:36, H. Hirzel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> However a retest showed that the
>
>
>       Installer ensureRecentMetacello
>
> is in conflict with the installation of the Metacello tutorial
>
>      ConfigurationOfMetacello project latestVersion load: #('Tutorial').
>
> From a user point of view this is a problem.
>
> --Hannes
>
>
> P.S. I remember a recent discussion where to put
>
>       Installer ensureRecentMetacello
>
> At the moment I no longer see it in the 'do-Menu' but also I do not
> find it in the 'tools' menu.
>
> It is still in
>
>      DockingbarMenu Help --> Extending the system
>
>
> On 9/2/19, H. Hirzel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I checked again
>>
>> Correct: Metacello help is NOT in the trunk.
>>
>> It comes to the image through
>>
>>      Installer ensureRecentMetacello
>>
>> --Hannes
>>
>> On 9/2/19, Marcel Taeumel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Hmm... there is Metacello help in Trunk. Maybe after you install
>>> Metacello?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Marcel
>>> Am 02.09.2019 17:29:44 schrieb H. Hirzel <[hidden email]>:
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> I opened a recent Squeak5.3.a-18828 image.
>>>
>>> There is now a Metacello help together with a tutorial. Nice!
>>> I tested the tutorial.
>>>
>>> In the Getting Started Section after I have done
>>>
>>> ConfigurationOfMetacello project latestVersion load: #('Tutorial').
>>>
>>>
>>> I am asked to do
>>>
>>> ProfStef goOn: MetacelloConfigurationTutorialPart1.
>>>
>>>
>>> Then I get a feedback that ProfStef is not known.
>>>
>>>
>>> Question:
>>> How would a fix look like?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Hannes
>>>
>>>
>>
>

> Please disregards the "Getting Started" entry.
>
> The way of using Metacello directly via ConfigurationOf… is de facto
> deprecated,
> and all the other stuff there probably won't work, either (Metacello moved
> away from code.google.com quite some time ago).
>
> If you look at the most recent version at github in this URL:
> https://github.com/Metacello/metacello/blob/master/repository/Metacello-Help.package/MetacelloHelp.class/class/gettingStarted.st
> you see that it was last changed in 2012, when the "original" metacello was
> still active.

> Hi Tobias
>
> Thanks for your valuable feedback.
>
>> Please disregards the "Getting Started" entry.
>>
>> The way of using Metacello directly via ConfigurationOf… is de facto
>> deprecated,
>> and all the other stuff there probably won't work, either (Metacello
>> moved
>> away from code.google.com quite some time ago).
>>
>> If you look at the most recent version at github in this URL:
>> https://github.com/Metacello/metacello/blob/master/repository/Metacello-Help.package/MetacelloHelp.class/class/gettingStarted.st
>> you see that it was last changed in 2012, when the "original" metacello
>> was
>> still active.
>
>
> I understand that this file
>
> https://github.com/Metacello/metacello/blob/master/repository/Metacello-Help.package/MetacelloHelp.class/class/gettingStarted.st
>
> (= the help text , HelpTopic code of the screen shot earlier in the
> thread) is May 4, 2012. It is no longer valid.
>
> BUT I do not understand what you write below
>
>  _That_ version is what we use to install the current version
>> (which used with the "Metacello"-class api, which supports Baselines and
>> GitHub).
>
> Is it something that you use an older version to install a newer version....
> ?
>
>
>
> ACTIONPOINT:
>
> What do we need to do?
>
>> We need to change the Help text and issue a Pull Request against
>> https://github.com/Metacello/metacello :)
>
> And thanks God it could be as simple as forking Metacello repo in
> Github through the web interrface and then just change the text
> through the github web interface and issue a pull request  to Dale H.
> (all through the web interface, it is plain text).
>
> But  we need to know what to put there. Maybe just a pointer to a
> tutorial on the web?
> Which one?
>
> And: I am a little bit astonished that this 2012 issue was not caught
> earlier ....
>
> Best
> Hannes
>