Strange behavior on Squeak 3.10 alpha

Hi all,

First, thanks for the development of 3.10 alpha, it seems to integrate
nicely behaviors of different squeak images and work well with change
set from olpc. I have migrated from 3.9 to 3.10 alpha.

On Squeak 3.10 alpha #7068 I get the look and feel I wanted (the
Extremadura's Squeak one) and when I create a new project, the dock bar
is inside it. This doesn't happen on 3.9 where, if I create a new
project the dock bar is not and I need to go to the world menu and then
disable an re-enable the "show dock bar" option. Also, any time that I
go from an inner project to an outer one I get this message:

MessageNotUnderstood: TTCFont>>fontArray

So seems that 3.10 alpha #7068 was in fact better for me that 3.9, but
today I update to 3.10alpha#7070 and I get the same behavior that I was
getting on 3.9. Any pointer to a solution?

Also, seems that 3.10 would be more modular that 3.9 because things like
eToys would be (un)loadable at will. Do you have more information on the
plans for 3.10? This load can be made also for things that change the
look and feel of Squeak like Bots Inc. or even Scratch?

Thanks again,

Offray
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Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas schrieb: See Mantis Bugs #5451 and #5309 (for a solution):
http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=0005309

Regards
Andreas
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El 4/5/07 1:46 PM, "Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas"
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First , you should know what could email me in Spanish and what we have a
very friendly Spanish group and Spanish things

http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/squeakRos/ (Group)
http://wiki.gnulinex.org/squeakros (Swiki in Spain)
http://ar.geocities.com/edgardec2001/Welcome.html (Beginners tutorials ,
most in Spanish)


3.10 is the first step to more modular Squeak, we just begin the mechanics
of updates and try to correct any problems.
Today, you should reach 7078.


I was working with reduced images from a while and helping Pavel
MinimalMorphic.

Think what we are a company what are recycling some old building, several
stories tall.
For political reasons, you could't demolish using dynamite, as people have
homes into (bad but are HIS HOME)
But if you start from the top stories, demolish some, reshape some and let
they still use his ugly places ...

I have how unload Etoys and Nebraska unload/load safe and Pavel how to load
again in a 2.8 Mb big Morphic/Etoys.
I learn his technique and http://www.squeaksource.com/Ladrillos.html several
smaller experimental new shapes packages.
When 3.10 reach beta I retake this and hope we have a loadable Etoys and
Nebraska and 3.10 closer to MinimalMorphic .

What don't means you could load any .pr fro earlier Squeaks.

That's require some OLPC to 3.10 and 3.10 to OLPC "intelligent Bridge" (I
should patent iBridge earlier as Apple :=)

Saludos desde Rosario, Argentina

Edgar


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El 4/5/07 2:37 PM, "Andreas Wacknitz" <[hidden email]> escribió:

>> So seems that 3.10 alpha #7068 was in fact better for me that 3.9, but
>> today I update to 3.10alpha#7070 and I get the same behavior that I
>> was getting on 3.9. Any pointer to a solution?
> See Mantis Bugs #5451 and #5309 (for a solution):
> http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=0005309

Well, 7078 din't have the error , have the isFontAvailable from tak.
But yes, on new created projects you don't have the Diego look .
I try to see if could fix before EasterBunny pass ...:=)

Edgar


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Hi Edgar,

Edgar J. De Cleene escribió:

[...]
> First , you should know what could email me in Spanish and what we have a
> very friendly Spanish group and Spanish things
>
> http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/squeakRos/ (Group)
> http://wiki.gnulinex.org/squeakros (Swiki in Spain)
> http://ar.geocities.com/edgardec2001/Welcome.html (Beginners tutorials ,
> most in Spanish)
>  

Thanks a lot. I have been browsing for a while the list messages and
seems a nice place with humble people who knows Squeak. The only thing I
dislike it's to be forced to get a YahooID and accepting their User
Agreement for being part of this list (this will happen with any
YourFavoriteEnterpriceGroup and in general with all the "Spamware"
powered infrastructure). Have you considered the good and old mailman
for the list? if yes, I could help on that matter.

> 3.10 is the first step to more modular Squeak, we just begin the mechanics
> of updates and try to correct any problems.
> Today, you should reach 7078.
>  

On #7070 I can't publish a project. I get the grid for publishing but
then nothing. So I was trying to made the update. At some point it ask
me for an account name and a password, so I put some info there but on
the process I get this:

Processing updates
Loading 7080wizFixesOfMorph...

and then a window with this message:

Merging Morphic-edc.116.

I choose the option "Merge" and others but nothing happens, only
"Cancel" works. After that I'm on 7080, but still publishing a project
doesn't work.

Nice analogy about "buildings", homes and dynamite. Squeak it's a lot of
different things for different people that getting a sense of continuity
it's difficult for the newcomers like me.

> What don't means you could load any .pr fro earlier Squeaks.
>  

At this moment we're having problems exporting .pr files from the
Extremadura's Squeak to another because of a bug with bookmarks (when
you exported a book with bookmarks, the bookmarks are lost). There is a
patch for this and the change set works fine with OLPC, Squeakland and
first versions of 3.9 images, but doesn't work in Extremadura's image
and I have a problem publishing projects on 3.9alpha#7070 and updating
works strange as I said before... the sense of fracture in all the
Squeak images seems overwhelming sometimes.

> That's require some OLPC to 3.10 and 3.10 to OLPC "intelligent Bridge" (I
> should patent iBridge earlier as Apple :=)
>
> Saludos desde Rosario, Argentina
>  

Yep you will need to patent and register as a trade mark. Apple want to
be owner of the letter "i" and all its "iAnything" combinations. :-)

Saludos desde Bogotá, Colombia,

Offray

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El 4/7/07 10:20 AM, "Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas"
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> Thanks a lot. I have been browsing for a while the list messages and
> seems a nice place with humble people who knows Squeak. The only thing I
> dislike it's to be forced to get a YahooID and accepting their User
> Agreement for being part of this list (this will happen with any
> YourFavoriteEnterpriceGroup and in general with all the "Spamware"
> powered infrastructure).

Yes, some complain about Yahoo. I hope at some point could have a 24/24
machine what all could reach from web.
Extremadura peole set the swiki for us, use it as is less restrictive.

 >Have you considered the good and old mailman
> for the list? if yes, I could help on that matter.
Send private about mailman

> On #7070 I can't publish a project. I get the grid for publishing but
> then nothing. So I was trying to made the update. At some point it ask
> me for an account name and a password,

Yes I know the option of having how setup user and password is troublesome
and I fix.
I wish a more automatic update process and at some point we need put the new
Monticello packages into the 310 repository.

> I choose the option "Merge" and others but nothing happens, only
> "Cancel" works. After that I'm on 7080, but still publishing a project
> doesn't work.

Still Ralph and me are losted of why sometimes the image ask what to do and
sometimes no.
The correct option should be always install what the .cs said .
As example for 7080
"Collect changes of :
http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php? = 5251
http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php? = 5619
http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php? = 5704
http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php? = 5392"

ReleaseBuilderFor3dot10 new updatePackages: '
Morphic-edc.116(sd.115).mcd
Tests-edc.21(20).mcd
'

So you should finish having the Morphic 116 and the Test 21 on the
Monticello browser.

Is odd what you can't publish a project , as I convert several of 3.9 to
3.10 and saved.
Just made one in my image putting some morphs on World and could create a
new one.

What still I don't solve is importing 3.9 (or earlier) .pr , but I was
collecting info for doing some page in wiki.

> I have a problem publishing projects on 3.9alpha#7070 and updating
> works strange as I said before... the sense of fracture in all the
> Squeak images seems overwhelming sometimes.

I hope what 3.10 solves all his starting problems.
And tomorrow I put a complete image into servers and 3.10 ready to load
projects into a page of swiki.
Send private all yours and I see how manage in 3.10.

Nos leemos !!

Edgar


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Hi,

Edgar J. De Cleene escribió:
We have a Free Software related wiki and we're putting a information
about Squeak as we're learning (the wiki is made on python, but it works
very well and it's easy to extend). At some point we will need some kind
of wiki ohana (Ohana means family, as Lilo teach us) for Squeak related
content in different places (something like a planet for blogs, but for
wikis). You're invited to use our wiki if you like it.

>  >Have you considered the good and old mailman
>  
>> for the list? if yes, I could help on that matter.
>>    
> Send private about mailman
>  

Ok :)

[...]
I'm still too newbie to know how to use Monticello, but I will try to learn.

> Is odd what you can't publish a project , as I convert several of 3.9 to
> 3.10 and saved.
> Just made one in my image putting some morphs on World and could create a
> new one.
>
> What still I don't solve is importing 3.9 (or earlier) .pr , but I was
> collecting info for doing some page in wiki.
>  

My main problem is that I can not export from 3.10alpha as a pr file...
I don't know what's wrong. Just I get the metadata form and saving grid,
but then nothing, I can't choose if I want to publish my project on the
hard disk or on the web.

Vale, te enviaré correos privados para esas pequeñas cosas. Gracias por
todo el trabajo en 3.10 y por un Squeak más modular.

Chao,

Offray
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El 4/11/07 12:33 PM, "Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas"
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> I'm still too newbie to know how to use Monticello, but I will try to learn.

Welcome to the "forced to use" :=)

> My main problem is that I can not export from 3.10alpha as a pr file...
> I don't know what's wrong. Just I get the metadata form and saving grid,
> but then nothing, I can't choose if I want to publish my project on the
> hard disk or on the web.

Again no idea. Here I put a picture of in development "FunSqueak"
As you could see, Fabrik, Wonderland, MathMorphs and some old of me.
You try http://ftp.squeak.org/3.10alpha/Squeak3.10alpha.7081.zip ?

And we are working all time, now you should get 7084.
This morning we (Damien , I ) chat long to figure what was wrong with some
what Jerome do Mantis bug reports , but don't show in my image.
The story ends with Damien could cook some new test.

> Vale, te enviaré correos privados para esas pequeñas cosas. Gracias por
> todo el trabajo en 3.10 y por un Squeak más modular.
>
> Chao,
>
> Offray

Ya lo tenemos a fredy en nuestra lista, faltas tu.
La semana que viene empiezo con un nuevo grupo.
Comisionare alguno para hacer una pequeña guia "Sobreviviendo al 3.10" :=)

Edgar


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