SummerTalk and Icalendar

>
> >> Yann: "I was thinking of a nice webinterface, but google beat me on that
> ;)"
>
> >> Philippe: "So what would be the goal of this project? . . . reinvent the
> wheel?"
>
> It might be useful to note that the wheel has been reinvented many, many
> times, in forms as varied as clock gears, grain mills and jet engine
> turbines.  While each varies in its expression and implementation of the
> concept of "wheelness," none could be called the perfected form of wheel
> which obviates all others -- to the contrary, each has in turn led to
> innumerable reinventions of itself, most of which did not eliminate but
> rather added to what had gone before.
>
> Google has done many things well, and some very well, but nothing Google has
> accomplished can be said to have perfected the art to such an extent no
> improvements or adaptations are possible.  The trick is to look past Google,
> to pursue a vision not of what Google or any other innovator DID but of what
> they might -- or ought to -- or could -- have ASPIRED to.
>
> We don't need stronger oxcart wheels, we need pneumatic tires.  Or perhaps
> maglev.
>
> Gary
>
>
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> wheel?"
>
> It might be useful to note that the wheel has been reinvented many, many
> times, in forms as varied as clock gears, grain mills and jet engine
> turbines.  While each varies in its expression and implementation of the
> concept of "wheelness," none could be called the perfected form of wheel
> which obviates all others -- to the contrary, each has in turn led to
> innumerable reinventions of itself, most of which did not eliminate but
> rather added to what had gone before.
>
> Google has done many things well, and some very well, but nothing Google

> they might -- or ought to -- or could -- have ASPIRED to.
>
> We don't need stronger oxcart wheels, we need pneumatic tires.  Or perhaps
> maglev.
>
> Gary
>
>
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> Hello, I'm Yann Monclair, and will be working on the iCalendar project
> for SummerTalk.
>
> When I first started the project, I was actually just looking for
> something to keep me busy and use my Smalltalk a little.
> I was looking to have some small scripts to run on ical files (ics)
> and that's when I started, with a parser.
>
> Since then I've been looking at other aspects of iCalendars that are
> not yet available (possible) in the other implementations.
> I was thinking of a nice webinterface, but google beat me on that ;)
> Another idea I have is collaborative editing. It could then make
> iCalendars a more useful tool for planning meetings, and a lot of
> stuff requiring mutual agreement on a date.
>
> Other people suggested having other features, that would help the
> iCalendar become useful as a time tracking system. For example, you
> have a calendar per project and you want to know how much time you
> spent on that project in a given time period.
>
> I will look deeper into the squeak ical package. I might reuse some of
> it,  my ics parser isn't that great.
>
> I'm thinking of switching to an XML format (the one used my google
> calendar and others ). It would then allow a better network
> communication with other clients. As of today, there are
> no GUI available, but that will have to change to implement the
> collaborative aspect. The current GUI available out there (rich client
> or web client ) might not support it out of the box. I
> try to stay as compatible as possible with the current clients, to
> make the project more usable and easier to start with.
>
> I'll post a more structured description on my blog
> (http://yann.quist.ca). I'm currently finishing a report for my
> graduation, so I should have more time in a few days.
>
> HTH,
>
> Yann
>
>
>
>
> About the project: 'ICal support in Smalltalk'
>
> There is already a an ICal (and VCard) parser and serializer for
> squeak available at:
> http://www.squeaksource.com/ical.html
> This is used in production in at least two places.
>
> So what would be the goal of this project? Integrate the existing ICal
> package with lets say Chronos or reinvent the wheel?
>
> Cheers
> Philippe
>
> 2006/6/20, Serge Stinckwich <Serge.Stinckwich at info.unicaen.fr>:
> > Hi guys,
> > here are some updates about the SummerTalk 2006 program launched by
> ESUG
> > (European Smalltalk User Group). The goal of this program is to help
> > students work on open-source Smalltalk projects until december 2006.
> >
> > - 5 projects have been selected by the ESUG Board for funding,
> > - 1 project get funded by an external sponsor,
> > - 3 students have been selected and assigned to a project. We are
> > looking to 3 more students for the other projects. If you are
> > interested, please apply ASAP !
> >
> > All the glory details are available online here :
> > http://www.esug.org/promotionactions/summertalk2006/
> >
> > Have fun,
> > --                                                         oooo
> > Dr. Serge Stinckwich                                     OOOOOOOO
> > Université de Caen>CNRS UMR 6072>GREYC>MAD               OOESUGOO
> > http://purl.org/net/SergeStinckwich                       oooooo
> > Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)]   \  /
> >                                                              ##
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> I just asked what the goal is. If reinventing is the goal, I have no
> problem with that.
>
> Cheers
>
> 2006/6/20, Gary Fisher <[hidden email]>:
>>
>> >> Yann: "I was thinking of a nice webinterface, but google beat  
>> me on that
>> ;)"
>>
>> >> Philippe: "So what would be the goal of this project? . . .  
>> reinvent the
>> wheel?"
>>
>> It might be useful to note that the wheel has been reinvented  
>> many, many
>> times, in forms as varied as clock gears, grain mills and jet engine
>> turbines.  While each varies in its expression and implementation  
>> of the
>> concept of "wheelness," none could be called the perfected form of  
>> wheel
>> which obviates all others -- to the contrary, each has in turn led to
>> innumerable reinventions of itself, most of which did not  
>> eliminate but
>> rather added to what had gone before.
>>
>> Google has done many things well, and some very well, but nothing  
>> Google has
>> accomplished can be said to have perfected the art to such an  
>> extent no
>> improvements or adaptations are possible.  The trick is to look  
>> past Google,
>> to pursue a vision not of what Google or any other innovator DID  
>> but of what
>> they might -- or ought to -- or could -- have ASPIRED to.
>>
>> We don't need stronger oxcart wheels, we need pneumatic tires.  Or  
>> perhaps
>> maglev.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>>
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>

> Hi philippe
>
> I think that this is good that we put pressure on Yann :)
> I already told him that.
> Now it would be good if indeed we could interactively publis,  
> change, ical.
> And indeed it would be nice if this would be using what you did  
> with david and may be based on pier.
> Yann could learn and build on top of what you did....
>
> Yann tell us.
>
> Stef
>
>
> On 20 juin 06, at 12:33, Philippe Marschall wrote:
>
>> I just asked what the goal is. If reinventing is the goal, I have no
>> problem with that.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> 2006/6/20, Gary Fisher <[hidden email]>:
>>>
>>> >> Yann: "I was thinking of a nice webinterface, but google beat  
>>> me on that
>>> ;)"
>>>
>>> >> Philippe: "So what would be the goal of this project? . . .  
>>> reinvent the
>>> wheel?"
>>>
>>> It might be useful to note that the wheel has been reinvented  
>>> many, many
>>> times, in forms as varied as clock gears, grain mills and jet engine
>>> turbines.  While each varies in its expression and implementation  
>>> of the
>>> concept of "wheelness," none could be called the perfected form  
>>> of wheel
>>> which obviates all others -- to the contrary, each has in turn  
>>> led to
>>> innumerable reinventions of itself, most of which did not  
>>> eliminate but
>>> rather added to what had gone before.
>>>
>>> Google has done many things well, and some very well, but nothing  
>>> Google has
>>> accomplished can be said to have perfected the art to such an  
>>> extent no
>>> improvements or adaptations are possible.  The trick is to look  
>>> past Google,
>>> to pursue a vision not of what Google or any other innovator DID  
>>> but of what
>>> they might -- or ought to -- or could -- have ASPIRED to.
>>>
>>> We don't need stronger oxcart wheels, we need pneumatic tires.  
>>> Or perhaps
>>> maglev.
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>
>

> Hi philippe
>
> I think that this is good that we put pressure on Yann :)
> I already told him that.
> Now it would be good if indeed we could interactively publis, change,
> ical.
> And indeed it would be nice if this would be using what you did with
> david and may be based on pier.
> Yann could learn and build on top of what you did....
>
> Yann tell us.
>
> Stef
>
>
> On 20 juin 06, at 12:33, Philippe Marschall wrote:
>
> > I just asked what the goal is. If reinventing is the goal, I have no
> > problem with that.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > 2006/6/20, Gary Fisher <[hidden email]>:
> >>
> >> >> Yann: "I was thinking of a nice webinterface, but google beat
> >> me on that
> >> ;)"
> >>
> >> >> Philippe: "So what would be the goal of this project? . . .
> >> reinvent the
> >> wheel?"
> >>
> >> It might be useful to note that the wheel has been reinvented
> >> many, many
> >> times, in forms as varied as clock gears, grain mills and jet engine
> >> turbines.  While each varies in its expression and implementation
> >> of the
> >> concept of "wheelness," none could be called the perfected form of
> >> wheel
> >> which obviates all others -- to the contrary, each has in turn led to
> >> innumerable reinventions of itself, most of which did not
> >> eliminate but
> >> rather added to what had gone before.
> >>
> >> Google has done many things well, and some very well, but nothing
> >> Google has
> >> accomplished can be said to have perfected the art to such an
> >> extent no
> >> improvements or adaptations are possible.  The trick is to look
> >> past Google,
> >> to pursue a vision not of what Google or any other innovator DID
> >> but of what
> >> they might -- or ought to -- or could -- have ASPIRED to.
> >>
> >> We don't need stronger oxcart wheels, we need pneumatic tires.  Or
> >> perhaps
> >> maglev.
> >>
> >> Gary
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> That's fine by me. Part of the SummerTalk is, I believe, to have an  
> opportunity to learn more about Smalltalk :) and the existing tools  
> available.
>
> Currently I'm working with VisualWorks. A port to Squeak could be  
> possible, and fairly easy I think. It would be nice to maybe switch  
> to the existing ical parser at that moment.
> The idea of using Pier, or even MC2 is really interesting.
>
> For now, I'm going to start with writing some tests, and I'll try  
> and make my mind on a port to Squeak. This also depends on the  
> people who would want such a tool (if they are squeak users or VW  
> or another Smalltalk ).

> I'll post about that later this week  I think, on my blog, and I'll  
> let you know.
>
> I just ordered two books on TDD, so I hope to write good tests and  
> adopt that method of development. They are missed in my code so far :(
>
> Yann
>
>
>
> On Jun 20, 2006, at 4:27 PM, stéphane ducasse wrote:
>
>> Hi philippe
>>
>> I think that this is good that we put pressure on Yann :)
>> I already told him that.
>> Now it would be good if indeed we could interactively publis,  
>> change, ical.
>> And indeed it would be nice if this would be using what you did  
>> with david and may be based on pier.
>> Yann could learn and build on top of what you did....
>>
>> Yann tell us.
>>
>> Stef
>>
>>
>> On 20 juin 06, at 12:33, Philippe Marschall wrote:
>>
>>> I just asked what the goal is. If reinventing is the goal, I have no
>>> problem with that.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> 2006/6/20, Gary Fisher <[hidden email]>:
>>>>
>>>> >> Yann: "I was thinking of a nice webinterface, but google beat  
>>>> me on that
>>>> ;)"
>>>>
>>>> >> Philippe: "So what would be the goal of this project? . . .  
>>>> reinvent the
>>>> wheel?"
>>>>
>>>> It might be useful to note that the wheel has been reinvented  
>>>> many, many
>>>> times, in forms as varied as clock gears, grain mills and jet  
>>>> engine
>>>> turbines.  While each varies in its expression and  
>>>> implementation of the
>>>> concept of "wheelness," none could be called the perfected form  
>>>> of wheel
>>>> which obviates all others -- to the contrary, each has in turn  
>>>> led to
>>>> innumerable reinventions of itself, most of which did not  
>>>> eliminate but
>>>> rather added to what had gone before.
>>>>
>>>> Google has done many things well, and some very well, but  
>>>> nothing Google has
>>>> accomplished can be said to have perfected the art to such an  
>>>> extent no
>>>> improvements or adaptations are possible.  The trick is to look  
>>>> past Google,
>>>> to pursue a vision not of what Google or any other innovator DID  
>>>> but of what
>>>> they might -- or ought to -- or could -- have ASPIRED to.
>>>>
>>>> We don't need stronger oxcart wheels, we need pneumatic tires.  
>>>> Or perhaps
>>>> maglev.
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---
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>>>> Virus Database (VPS): 0625-1, 06/19/2006
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