SystemWindow drag to edges in Inbox

Bernhard, please don't take this as offense but just as someone who's
interested in UI design -- I'm curious what people find to like about
this feature.  I myself was so disappointed when Ubuntu did this to
Unity because being able to grab a window edge and slam the mouse to
the edge of the screen is an easy gross-motor gesture that facilitates
efficient window management; affording expansion in the desired
dimensions, and no expansion where it isn't desired.  However, with
this feature the user is now forced to "be careful" when dragging
their window edges (don't get too close to the edge!) and so what was
a gross-motor became a fine-motor AND their mind is distracted this
having to wreste with the UI, because they want to make use of their
screen real-estate but, at least in Unity, when you get within 4
pixels of the edge, SNAP.  Now its covering many other windows I
didn't want covered, whilst presenting vast swaths of useless
whitespace (because its too big).

I never much liked Operation...   :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6MAkLJ79LE

On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Bernhard Pieber <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I implemented a feature which some of you may know from Windows. When a SystemWindow is dragged to one of the edges it is resized to that half of the display. In addition, when it is dragged to one of the corners it is resized to that quadrant of the display. See the following packages in the Inbox:
> - GraphicsTests-bp.39
> - Graphics-bp.321
> - Morphic-bp.1064
> In order to use it you need to enable the preference Drag To Edges in the Preference Browser, or just do:
> SystemWindow dragToEdges: true
>
> If you have time to try it out, let me know what you think.
>
> - Bernhard

In Windows, I tend to like both maximizing a window when it is dragged
to the top of the screen and tiling a window when dragged to the left
or right edge of the screen. Not sure why I find the first one more
intuitive than double clicking the title bar or the window decoration
button for it. Maybe it's that gross motion thing Chris mentioned.
Just today, I came to dislike once again that the tiling does not work
on the inner edges in a dual screen setup. Though, it is possible that
I would change my mind if it worked and it would trigger all the time.
Anyway, it is achievable with Win-key+Left/Right.

On the other hand, I am not so keen on maximizing a window in only one
direction (vertically or horizontally) if I drag an edge of the window
to the edge of the screen. Windows has that for the vertical
direction.

But I cannot remember the last time I wanted to maximize a
SystemWindow in Squeak... usually I find screen space to be more
precious (scarce?) here because there is no web browser or dedicated
text editor window, but rather a plethora of smaller windows floating
around, each of them preferably only one click away. And I like to
spare a hole somewhere to access the world menu... Maybe these habits
are also a result of the lack of an Alt+Tab or Exposé like feature by
default.

2016-01-11 22:01 GMT+01:00 Nicolas Cellier <[hidden email]>:
> I wanted to comment that there's even more upsetting: the maximize feature
> of windows 7 when dragging a window near display edge.
> But as long as we can disable the preference, it's ok for me.
>
> 2016-01-11 20:20 GMT+01:00 Chris Muller <[hidden email]>:
>>

>> Bernhard, please don't take this as offense but just as someone who's
>> interested in UI design -- I'm curious what people find to like about
>> this feature.  I myself was so disappointed when Ubuntu did this to
>> Unity because being able to grab a window edge and slam the mouse to
>> the edge of the screen is an easy gross-motor gesture that facilitates
>> efficient window management; affording expansion in the desired
>> dimensions, and no expansion where it isn't desired.  However, with
>> this feature the user is now forced to "be careful" when dragging
>> their window edges (don't get too close to the edge!) and so what was
>> a gross-motor became a fine-motor AND their mind is distracted this
>> having to wreste with the UI, because they want to make use of their
>> screen real-estate but, at least in Unity, when you get within 4
>> pixels of the edge, SNAP.  Now its covering many other windows I
>> didn't want covered, whilst presenting vast swaths of useless
>> whitespace (because its too big).
>>
>> I never much liked Operation...   :)
>>
>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6MAkLJ79LE
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Bernhard Pieber <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>> > Dear all,
>> >
>> > I implemented a feature which some of you may know from Windows. When a
>> > SystemWindow is dragged to one of the edges it is resized to that half of
>> > the display. In addition, when it is dragged to one of the corners it is
>> > resized to that quadrant of the display. See the following packages in the
>> > Inbox:
>> > - GraphicsTests-bp.39
>> > - Graphics-bp.321
>> > - Morphic-bp.1064
>> > In order to use it you need to enable the preference Drag To Edges in
>> > the Preference Browser, or just do:
>> > SystemWindow dragToEdges: true
>> >
>> > If you have time to try it out, let me know what you think.
>> >
>> > - Bernhard
>>
>

The reasons why I personnally hate this maximizing thing are these ones:

- I generally have kind of portrait oriented documents best viewed with tall viewport (not wide)

- my screen is too wide but that's ok to view 2 documents side by side, or 1 document with 2 pages side by side alternatively.

- i often resize/move the windows to obtain side by side view (for comparison, drag and drop etc...)

alas, since my windows are tall, they are most of the time near top, and i more than often have to undo the UN-INTENDED maximization.

There are at least two other ways to maximize the window, so this gesture is never going to be on purpose from myself, if only I knew how to disable it :(

2016-01-11 22:39 GMT+01:00 Jakob Reschke <[hidden email]>:

In Windows, I tend to like both maximizing a window when it is dragged
to the top of the screen and tiling a window when dragged to the left
or right edge of the screen. Not sure why I find the first one more
intuitive than double clicking the title bar or the window decoration
button for it. Maybe it's that gross motion thing Chris mentioned.
Just today, I came to dislike once again that the tiling does not work
on the inner edges in a dual screen setup. Though, it is possible that
I would change my mind if it worked and it would trigger all the time.
Anyway, it is achievable with Win-key+Left/Right.

On the other hand, I am not so keen on maximizing a window in only one
direction (vertically or horizontally) if I drag an edge of the window
to the edge of the screen. Windows has that for the vertical
direction.

But I cannot remember the last time I wanted to maximize a
SystemWindow in Squeak... usually I find screen space to be more
precious (scarce?) here because there is no web browser or dedicated
text editor window, but rather a plethora of smaller windows floating
around, each of them preferably only one click away. And I like to
spare a hole somewhere to access the world menu... Maybe these habits
are also a result of the lack of an Alt+Tab or Exposé like feature by
default.

2016-01-11 22:01 GMT+01:00 Nicolas Cellier <[hidden email]>:
> I wanted to comment that there's even more upsetting: the maximize feature
> of windows 7 when dragging a window near display edge.
> But as long as we can disable the preference, it's ok for me.
>
> 2016-01-11 20:20 GMT+01:00 Chris Muller <[hidden email]>:
>>

>> Bernhard, please don't take this as offense but just as someone who's
>> interested in UI design -- I'm curious what people find to like about
>> this feature.  I myself was so disappointed when Ubuntu did this to
>> Unity because being able to grab a window edge and slam the mouse to
>> the edge of the screen is an easy gross-motor gesture that facilitates
>> efficient window management; affording expansion in the desired
>> dimensions, and no expansion where it isn't desired.  However, with
>> this feature the user is now forced to "be careful" when dragging
>> their window edges (don't get too close to the edge!) and so what was
>> a gross-motor became a fine-motor AND their mind is distracted this
>> having to wreste with the UI, because they want to make use of their
>> screen real-estate but, at least in Unity, when you get within 4
>> pixels of the edge, SNAP.  Now its covering many other windows I
>> didn't want covered, whilst presenting vast swaths of useless
>> whitespace (because its too big).
>>
>> I never much liked Operation...   :)
>>
>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6MAkLJ79LE
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Bernhard Pieber <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>> > Dear all,
>> >
>> > I implemented a feature which some of you may know from Windows. When a
>> > SystemWindow is dragged to one of the edges it is resized to that half of
>> > the display. In addition, when it is dragged to one of the corners it is
>> > resized to that quadrant of the display. See the following packages in the
>> > Inbox:
>> > - GraphicsTests-bp.39
>> > - Graphics-bp.321
>> > - Morphic-bp.1064
>> > In order to use it you need to enable the preference Drag To Edges in
>> > the Preference Browser, or just do:
>> > SystemWindow dragToEdges: true
>> >
>> > If you have time to try it out, let me know what you think.
>> >
>> > - Bernhard
>>
>

Nicolas:

http://superuser.com/questions/96220/how-to-disable-maximize-on-top-drag

Best,

Karl

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 12:46 AM, Nicolas Cellier <[hidden email]> wrote:

The reasons why I personnally hate this maximizing thing are these ones:

- I generally have kind of portrait oriented documents best viewed with tall viewport (not wide)

- my screen is too wide but that's ok to view 2 documents side by side, or 1 document with 2 pages side by side alternatively.

- i often resize/move the windows to obtain side by side view (for comparison, drag and drop etc...)

alas, since my windows are tall, they are most of the time near top, and i more than often have to undo the UN-INTENDED maximization.

There are at least two other ways to maximize the window, so this gesture is never going to be on purpose from myself, if only I knew how to disable it :(

2016-01-11 22:39 GMT+01:00 Jakob Reschke <[hidden email]>:

In Windows, I tend to like both maximizing a window when it is dragged
to the top of the screen and tiling a window when dragged to the left
or right edge of the screen. Not sure why I find the first one more
intuitive than double clicking the title bar or the window decoration
button for it. Maybe it's that gross motion thing Chris mentioned.
Just today, I came to dislike once again that the tiling does not work
on the inner edges in a dual screen setup. Though, it is possible that
I would change my mind if it worked and it would trigger all the time.
Anyway, it is achievable with Win-key+Left/Right.

On the other hand, I am not so keen on maximizing a window in only one
direction (vertically or horizontally) if I drag an edge of the window
to the edge of the screen. Windows has that for the vertical
direction.

But I cannot remember the last time I wanted to maximize a
SystemWindow in Squeak... usually I find screen space to be more
precious (scarce?) here because there is no web browser or dedicated
text editor window, but rather a plethora of smaller windows floating
around, each of them preferably only one click away. And I like to
spare a hole somewhere to access the world menu... Maybe these habits
are also a result of the lack of an Alt+Tab or Exposé like feature by
default.

2016-01-11 22:01 GMT+01:00 Nicolas Cellier <[hidden email]>:
> I wanted to comment that there's even more upsetting: the maximize feature
> of windows 7 when dragging a window near display edge.
> But as long as we can disable the preference, it's ok for me.
>
> 2016-01-11 20:20 GMT+01:00 Chris Muller <[hidden email]>:
>>

>> Bernhard, please don't take this as offense but just as someone who's
>> interested in UI design -- I'm curious what people find to like about
>> this feature.  I myself was so disappointed when Ubuntu did this to
>> Unity because being able to grab a window edge and slam the mouse to
>> the edge of the screen is an easy gross-motor gesture that facilitates
>> efficient window management; affording expansion in the desired
>> dimensions, and no expansion where it isn't desired.  However, with
>> this feature the user is now forced to "be careful" when dragging
>> their window edges (don't get too close to the edge!) and so what was
>> a gross-motor became a fine-motor AND their mind is distracted this
>> having to wreste with the UI, because they want to make use of their
>> screen real-estate but, at least in Unity, when you get within 4
>> pixels of the edge, SNAP.  Now its covering many other windows I
>> didn't want covered, whilst presenting vast swaths of useless
>> whitespace (because its too big).
>>
>> I never much liked Operation...   :)
>>
>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6MAkLJ79LE
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Bernhard Pieber <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>> > Dear all,
>> >
>> > I implemented a feature which some of you may know from Windows. When a
>> > SystemWindow is dragged to one of the edges it is resized to that half of
>> > the display. In addition, when it is dragged to one of the corners it is
>> > resized to that quadrant of the display. See the following packages in the
>> > Inbox:
>> > - GraphicsTests-bp.39
>> > - Graphics-bp.321
>> > - Morphic-bp.1064
>> > In order to use it you need to enable the preference Drag To Edges in
>> > the Preference Browser, or just do:
>> > SystemWindow dragToEdges: true
>> >
>> > If you have time to try it out, let me know what you think.
>> >
>> > - Bernhard
>>
>

Hi Frank,

Yes, keyboard support would be cool, too. Note though, that currently dragging to the top edge does not maximise, just snap and resize to the top half. Dragging to the corners snaps and resizes to the respective quadrant.

Cheers,
Bernhard

> Am 12.01.2016 um 10:49 schrieb Frank Shearar <[hidden email]>:
>
> FWIW I'm super happy with the soft tiling window manager approach
> Windows 8 brought (and Win 10 augments, because you can now tile
> within quadrants, not half-screens). I use this all the time,
> especially from the keyboard - <win>-<left-arrow> / <right-arrow> tile
> to the respective half-screens, <win>-<up-arrow> "promotes" a
> half-screen to full-screen, <win>-<down-arrow> minimises, etc. It's
> just a couple of key presses now to get two windows side-by-side.
>
> I would be very happy if Squeak provided similar functionality
> (without disagreeing with Chris's comments re gross/fine motor
> movements).
>
> frank
>
> On 11 January 2016 at 21:39, Jakob Reschke <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> In Windows, I tend to like both maximizing a window when it is dragged
>> to the top of the screen and tiling a window when dragged to the left
>> or right edge of the screen. Not sure why I find the first one more
>> intuitive than double clicking the title bar or the window decoration
>> button for it. Maybe it's that gross motion thing Chris mentioned.
>> Just today, I came to dislike once again that the tiling does not work
>> on the inner edges in a dual screen setup. Though, it is possible that
>> I would change my mind if it worked and it would trigger all the time.
>> Anyway, it is achievable with Win-key+Left/Right.
>>
>> On the other hand, I am not so keen on maximizing a window in only one
>> direction (vertically or horizontally) if I drag an edge of the window
>> to the edge of the screen. Windows has that for the vertical
>> direction.
>>
>> But I cannot remember the last time I wanted to maximize a
>> SystemWindow in Squeak... usually I find screen space to be more
>> precious (scarce?) here because there is no web browser or dedicated
>> text editor window, but rather a plethora of smaller windows floating
>> around, each of them preferably only one click away. And I like to
>> spare a hole somewhere to access the world menu... Maybe these habits
>> are also a result of the lack of an Alt+Tab or Exposé like feature by
>> default.
>>
>> 2016-01-11 22:01 GMT+01:00 Nicolas Cellier <[hidden email]>:
>>> I wanted to comment that there's even more upsetting: the maximize feature
>>> of windows 7 when dragging a window near display edge.
>>> But as long as we can disable the preference, it's ok for me.
>>>
>>> 2016-01-11 20:20 GMT+01:00 Chris Muller <[hidden email]>:
>>>>
>>>> Bernhard, please don't take this as offense but just as someone who's
>>>> interested in UI design -- I'm curious what people find to like about
>>>> this feature.  I myself was so disappointed when Ubuntu did this to
>>>> Unity because being able to grab a window edge and slam the mouse to
>>>> the edge of the screen is an easy gross-motor gesture that facilitates
>>>> efficient window management; affording expansion in the desired
>>>> dimensions, and no expansion where it isn't desired.  However, with
>>>> this feature the user is now forced to "be careful" when dragging
>>>> their window edges (don't get too close to the edge!) and so what was
>>>> a gross-motor became a fine-motor AND their mind is distracted this
>>>> having to wreste with the UI, because they want to make use of their
>>>> screen real-estate but, at least in Unity, when you get within 4
>>>> pixels of the edge, SNAP.  Now its covering many other windows I
>>>> didn't want covered, whilst presenting vast swaths of useless
>>>> whitespace (because its too big).
>>>>
>>>> I never much liked Operation...   :)
>>>>
>>>>    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6MAkLJ79LE
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Bernhard Pieber <[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I implemented a feature which some of you may know from Windows. When a
>>>>> SystemWindow is dragged to one of the edges it is resized to that half of
>>>>> the display. In addition, when it is dragged to one of the corners it is
>>>>> resized to that quadrant of the display. See the following packages in the
>>>>> Inbox:
>>>>> - GraphicsTests-bp.39
>>>>> - Graphics-bp.321
>>>>> - Morphic-bp.1064
>>>>> In order to use it you need to enable the preference Drag To Edges in
>>>>> the Preference Browser, or just do:
>>>>> SystemWindow dragToEdges: true
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have time to try it out, let me know what you think.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Bernhard
>>>>
>>>
>>
>