We are currently in the process of migrating all of our Internet
services from an old server to a new one (kindly donated by Gandi.net). In the process I'm re-evaluating all of the services and the software used to support them. One issue I think we need to seriously evaluate as a community is our issue tracking mechanism. I among others some years ago strongly advocated for a transition to Mantis. I can't honestly say that that has been a success. While there has been some activity on bugs.squeak.org in the last couple of days, there has been very very little in the last year and most of that is from just a handful of users. Maintaining bugs.squeak.org has costs and the server resources we have are taxed by the services we are maintaining. When I look over what we offer and what is used by the community, it seems like our Mantis instance is little valued. Frankly I'm disinclined to set it up on the new server. I want to keep this email short but I think there are many other alternatives that are less costly (in service resources) and that would hopefully get more traction in the community. How many of you would even notice if bugs.squeak.org disappeared? Ken |
On 21 December 2012 21:35, Ken Causey <[hidden email]> wrote:
> We are currently in the process of migrating all of our Internet services > from an old server to a new one (kindly donated by Gandi.net). In the > process I'm re-evaluating all of the services and the software used to > support them. > > One issue I think we need to seriously evaluate as a community is our issue > tracking mechanism. I among others some years ago strongly advocated for a > transition to Mantis. I can't honestly say that that has been a success. > While there has been some activity on bugs.squeak.org in the last couple of > days, there has been very very little in the last year and most of that is > from just a handful of users. > > Maintaining bugs.squeak.org has costs and the server resources we have are > taxed by the services we are maintaining. When I look over what we offer > and what is used by the community, it seems like our Mantis instance is > little valued. Frankly I'm disinclined to set it up on the new server. > > I want to keep this email short but I think there are many other > alternatives that are less costly (in service resources) and that would > hopefully get more traction in the community. > > How many of you would even notice if bugs.squeak.org disappeared? I would, but you already know that :) I know the pain of keeping Mantis+PHP+MySQL running, and if there are alternatives that are less onerous to maintain, all the better. One possibility is starting a project on github, actually: its tracker is simple, and not completely terrible. frank > Ken > > > > |
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On 12/21/12 6:35 PM, "Ken Causey" <[hidden email]> wrote: > We are currently in the process of migrating all of our Internet > services from an old server to a new one (kindly donated by Gandi.net). > In the process I'm re-evaluating all of the services and the software > used to support them. > > One issue I think we need to seriously evaluate as a community is our > issue tracking mechanism. I among others some years ago strongly > advocated for a transition to Mantis. I can't honestly say that that > has been a success. While there has been some activity on > bugs.squeak.org in the last couple of days, there has been very very > little in the last year and most of that is from just a handful of users. > > Maintaining bugs.squeak.org has costs and the server resources we have > are taxed by the services we are maintaining. When I look over what we > offer and what is used by the community, it seems like our Mantis > instance is little valued. Frankly I'm disinclined to set it up on the > new server. > > I want to keep this email short but I think there are many other > alternatives that are less costly (in service resources) and that would > hopefully get more traction in the community. > > How many of you would even notice if bugs.squeak.org disappeared? > > Ken Me and sure more. I paying some services to ATSPACE.COM so could put stuff , contact me private. Edgar |
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On 21 December 2012 21:35, Ken Causey <[hidden email]> wrote:
> We are currently in the process of migrating all of our Internet services > from an old server to a new one (kindly donated by Gandi.net). In the > process I'm re-evaluating all of the services and the software used to > support them. > > One issue I think we need to seriously evaluate as a community is our issue > tracking mechanism. I among others some years ago strongly advocated for a > transition to Mantis. I can't honestly say that that has been a success. > While there has been some activity on bugs.squeak.org in the last couple of > days, there has been very very little in the last year and most of that is > from just a handful of users. > > Maintaining bugs.squeak.org has costs and the server resources we have are > taxed by the services we are maintaining. When I look over what we offer > and what is used by the community, it seems like our Mantis instance is > little valued. Frankly I'm disinclined to set it up on the new server. > > I want to keep this email short but I think there are many other > alternatives that are less costly (in service resources) and that would > hopefully get more traction in the community. > > How many of you would even notice if bugs.squeak.org disappeared? I would notice. It may not look like it, but I use Mantis as a reference for all sorts of VM issues. There are issues and bugs that may go for years until they are finally driven to resolution, and having a bug tracker like this makes it possible to make this happen. Just as an example, every FFI implementation for Squeak/Pharo is broken 64-bit platforms. The issue was recognized years ago but fixes have not been implemented in any of the current FFI implementations. One of these days, this *will* be fixed, and somebody somewhere is going to be very happy to have the reference documentation, patches, changes sets, and test results available on a bug tracker system. I have no strong opinions as to what issue tracker to use (*), but I will say this: 1) Having *some* issue tracker is a really good thing. 2) The information in our current issue tracker (Mantis) has value and should be preserved if possible. Dave (*) I still think that BFAV was a really good thing, because it encouraged bug fixing as an activity within Squeak. The tool itself was not so perfect, but we have lots of people on the list who like building tools, so maybe someone can pick up on the concept and turn it into something better. To me, being able to open up a Squeak BFAV bug fixing viewer with a fresh cup of good coffee in the morning was always a nice way to pass some time. |
Some statistics regarding activity on bugs.squeak.org in 2012 to date
(Jan 1, 2012 - Dec 21, 2012): Issues in any project or category with any activity at all: 26 24 of these are in the Squeak project, 2 in the Spoon project. The Squeak Packages project had zero activity in 2012. Only 20 people either reported on, commented on, or updated any issue in 2012. However only 3 people participated in more than one issue and only 2 of those participated on more than 2 issues. I think you can guess which 2 from this thread. Ken On 12/21/2012 05:30 PM, David T. Lewis wrote: > On 21 December 2012 21:35, Ken Causey<[hidden email]> wrote: >> We are currently in the process of migrating all of our Internet services >> from an old server to a new one (kindly donated by Gandi.net). In the >> process I'm re-evaluating all of the services and the software used to >> support them. >> >> One issue I think we need to seriously evaluate as a community is our issue >> tracking mechanism. I among others some years ago strongly advocated for a >> transition to Mantis. I can't honestly say that that has been a success. >> While there has been some activity on bugs.squeak.org in the last couple of >> days, there has been very very little in the last year and most of that is >> from just a handful of users. >> >> Maintaining bugs.squeak.org has costs and the server resources we have are >> taxed by the services we are maintaining. When I look over what we offer >> and what is used by the community, it seems like our Mantis instance is >> little valued. Frankly I'm disinclined to set it up on the new server. >> >> I want to keep this email short but I think there are many other >> alternatives that are less costly (in service resources) and that would >> hopefully get more traction in the community. >> >> How many of you would even notice if bugs.squeak.org disappeared? > > I would notice. > > It may not look like it, but I use Mantis as a reference for all sorts of > VM issues. There are issues and bugs that may go for years until they are > finally driven to resolution, and having a bug tracker like this makes it > possible to make this happen. Just as an example, every FFI implementation > for Squeak/Pharo is broken 64-bit platforms. The issue was recognized years > ago but fixes have not been implemented in any of the current FFI implementations. > One of these days, this *will* be fixed, and somebody somewhere is going to > be very happy to have the reference documentation, patches, changes sets, > and test results available on a bug tracker system. I have no strong opinions > as to what issue tracker to use (*), but I will say this: > > 1) Having *some* issue tracker is a really good thing. > > 2) The information in our current issue tracker (Mantis) has value and > should be preserved if possible. > > Dave > > (*) I still think that BFAV was a really good thing, because it encouraged > bug fixing as an activity within Squeak. The tool itself was not so perfect, > but we have lots of people on the list who like building tools, so maybe > someone can pick up on the concept and turn it into something better. To me, > being able to open up a Squeak BFAV bug fixing viewer with a fresh cup of > good coffee in the morning was always a nice way to pass some time. |
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