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> On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Chris Muller <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Your average syllables-per-word jumped in this mail Colin!  ;)  I had
> > to look up "cromulent".  Dictionary.com defines it as, "fine,
> > acceptable".  Why not just say "fine" then?  Ah, urban Dictionary's
> > definition says:  "Used in an ironical sense to mean legitimate, and
> > therefore, in reality, spurious and not at all legitimate. Assumes
> > common knowledge of the inherent Simpsons reference."
> >
>
> Nah, the irony was sooo 90's and in the 21st century it just means
> legitimate. Of course, there's irony in *that* too.
>
> Ok, discussions of vocabulary are always diverting, and some puns are
> irresistible, but I'm quite serious. "Hence" is totally the correct word
> here.
>
> I'm also saddened that so many people are against it. I guess the lowest
> common denominator always wins in the end.
>

>
> frank
>
> (I do love a good bikeshed.)
>
> On 4 May 2013 20:23, Chris Muller <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Exactly.  For example, just searching the Squeak list for the word
>> hence, the first one I picked randomly, someone used it in this
>> sentence:
>>
>>    "So, the answer will be different and hence it is not the same."
>>
>> Clearly, that usage of the word hence is not describing "a point in
>> time relative to now."
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 5:09 AM, karl ramberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Hence have other meanings and could be ambiguous hence I suggest we do not
>>> use it.
>>>
>>> Karl
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Frank Shearar <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 4 May 2013 08:34, Colin Putney <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Chris Muller <[hidden email]>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "hence" is equally meaningful as "fromNow", but more old-world
>>>> >> sounding.  I think "ago" and "fromNow" are more compatible with each
>>>> >> other in terms of modern language use.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > No!
>>>> >
>>>> > "Hence" is the proper the proper and perfectly cromulent antonym for
>>>> > "ago."
>>>> > The fact that many people use circumlocutions to compensate for a
>>>> > deficient
>>>> > vocabulary does not mitigate this truth.
>>>>
>>>> Eschew obfuscation! Espouse elucidation!
>>>>
>>>> I back Colin's position with moderate strength; a compromise would be
>>>> to have both :) #fromNow would delegate to #hence, of course.
>>>>
>>>> frank
>>>>
>>>> > Colin
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
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>

>> Well, no, but English has a habit (as in the thing that nuns wear) of
>> overloading names. Put the boot into your boots, and put them in my
>> car's boot. Lead by example, with those lead boots. But we still
>> manage to make sense of it.
>>
>> And hence, and henceforth, "hence" will remain "in the future" and "therefore".
>
> (I enjoyed our Saturday afternoon bikeshed too, just one more back at ya!)
>
> I have no disagreement here.  But a good and common way to make
> decisions is to keep a "scorecard" and, at least for the round of
> Ambiguity, fromNow won.  You point out that ambiguity is the nature of
> English, which I totally agree with, but that does not change the
> scorecard of that "round" which rates less ambiguity as better than
> more.
>
> I have no general disagreement with the abstracts Colin said on his
> soapbox about naming either, it's just that the abstracts weren't tied
> in to the concrete to help us understand _why_ hence is better.  Just
> assertions that it is.  To continue with the UFC analogy, the
> decisions are made by evaluating the scorecard, not necessarily by the
> fighter who raised his arms in victory the moment after the final bell
> sounded.  :)
>
> Having said that, a happy and amicable Colin is important to us all,
> so there is a point for #hence.  :)
>
>
>>
>> frank
>>
>> (I do love a good bikeshed.)
>>
>>>  is not describing "a point in
>>>
>