The Weekly Squeak Summary No. 17: Jan 13 - Mar 22, 2008

> Dear Squeakers,
>
>  welcome to the Easter edition of The WeeklySqueakSummary, an irregular
>  traffic-dependent report on what's going on in the world of Squeak
>  based on the WeeklySqueak blog.
>
>  Highlights of the past weeks:
>
>  There is a whole bunch of very interesting (not just software)
>  releases... Squeak 3.10 [23], Sophie 1.0 [24], a multi-threaded Squeak
>  VM called Hydra [14], the Squeak by Example book's second edition
>  (nowadays, people tend to call such things 2.0 or the like... I prefer
>  to stick with the old-fashioned word "edition") [19], and a very
>  extensive book covering the (much more relevant than you might think)
>  topic of hashing [15].
>
>  The Squeak Foundation has a new board [17] - congratulations to all
>  board members (and to the community for their choices)!
>
>  Last time, I accidentally posted a "link" to a demo video of the
>  Lively kernel - it was just a link to an announcement. This happens if
>  you don't read carefully. :-) The actual video has since been released
>  [20].
>
>  Two notifications of acceptance: there will be more Google Summer of
>  Code projects related to Squeak [22], and the Squeak VM is now
>  officially deemed open source by the Debian maintainers [21].
>
>  That last topic (licensing issues) directly relates to the last "hot"
>  topic: the Software Freedom Law Center has released a guide to legal
>  issues as occurring in the context of open-source projects [11]. It's
>  an interesting read, but unfortunately very much focused on the legal
>  situation in the United States of America - well, you probably can't
>  blame them.
>
>  The past weeks' news items:
>
>  [1] Qwaq is Hiring!
>     http://news.squeak.org/2008/01/16/qwaq-is-hiring/
>
>  [2] Squeak now running on Nokia N810
>     http://news.squeak.org/2008/01/18/squeak-now-running-on-nokia-n810/
>
>  [3] Self-Sustaining Systems *Call for Papers*
>     http://news.squeak.org/2008/01/21/self-sustaining-systems-call-for-papers/
>
>  [4] Brought to you by ESUG!
>     http://news.squeak.org/2008/01/23/brought-to-you-by-esug/
>
>  [5] Dynamic Languages Symposium (DLS) 2008 - Call For Papers
>     http://news.squeak.org/2008/01/25/dynamic-languages-symposium-dls-2008-call-for-papers/
>
>  [6] Learn Smalltalk And See the World!
>     http://news.squeak.org/2008/01/26/learn-smalltalk-and-see-the-world/
>
>  [7] Immersive Education Summit Ad-Hoc Meeting
>     http://news.squeak.org/2008/02/03/immersive-education-summit-ad-hoc-meeting/
>
>  [8] The Golight: Tool Support for Test-Driven Development
>     http://news.squeak.org/2008/02/07/the-golight-tool-support-for-test-driven-development/
>
>  [9] XO in the US Virgin Islands
>     http://news.squeak.org/2008/02/12/xo-in-the-us-virgin-islands/
>
>  [10] 16th International Smalltalk Joint Conference *Call for Contributions*
>      http://news.squeak.org/2008/02/14/16th-international-smalltalk-joint-conference-call-for-contributions/
>
>  [11] IANAL - But they are! SFLC Guide to FOSS Legal Issues
>      http://news.squeak.org/2008/02/15/ianal-but-they-are-sflc-guide-to-foss-legal-issues/
>
>  [12] International Squeak Live Video Conference Between Nepal and Japan
>      http://news.squeak.org/2008/02/17/international-squeak-live-video-conference-between-nepal-and-japan/
>
>  [13] Randal Schwartz Talks With Leo about Squeak, EToys and OLPC
>      http://news.squeak.org/2008/02/20/randal-schwartz-talks-with-leo-about-squeak-etoys-and-olpc/
>
>  [14] Qwaq releases Hydra multi-core Squeak VM
>      http://news.squeak.org/2008/02/21/qwaq-releases-hydra-multi-core-squeak-vm/
>
>  [15] Hashing in Smalltalk
>      http://news.squeak.org/2008/02/25/hashing-in-smalltalk/
>
>  [16] Don't forget to vote!
>      http://news.squeak.org/2008/03/06/dont-forget-to-vote/
>
>  [17] The Squeak Foundation Board 2008
>      http://news.squeak.org/2008/03/09/the-squeak-foundation-board-2008/
>
>  [18] Talk on "Newspeak" today
>      http://news.squeak.org/2008/03/11/talk-on-newspeak-today/
>
>  [19] Squeak by Example, 2.0!
>      http://news.squeak.org/2008/03/12/squeak-by-example-20/
>
>  [20] Dan Ingalls demos Lively at Google
>      http://news.squeak.org/2008/03/14/dan-ingalls-demos-lively-at-google/
>
>  [21] Squeak VM now in Debian distro
>      http://news.squeak.org/2008/03/17/squeak-vm-now-in-debian-distro/
>
>  [22] Squeak accepted into Google Summer of Code 08
>      http://news.squeak.org/2008/03/18/squeak-accepted-into-google-summer-of-code-08/
>
>  [23] Squeak 3.10 now released!
>      http://news.squeak.org/2008/03/21/380/
>
>  [24] Sophie multimedia authoring environment hits 1.0
>      http://news.squeak.org/2008/03/22/sophie-multimedia-authoring-environment-hits-10/
>
>  You can find this and much more on The WeeklySqueak blog, the newsblog
>  dedicated to the world of Squeak:http://news.squeak.org/
>
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>
>  Happy squeaking,
>
>  Michael
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>  [hidden email]
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>

> Hi Philippe,
>
>
>  On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Philippe Marschall
>  <[hidden email]> wrote:
>  > Sorry but this is the Seaside mailing list, not squeak-dev.
>
>
> that Weekly Squeak Summary e-mail was sent to the following lists:
>  announcements, beginners, seaside, and squeak-dev. Just like all
>  before. ;-)
>
>  The News team agreed on this bunch of lists when the Summary was kicked off.

> 2008/3/24, Michael Haupt <[hidden email]>:
>> Hi Philippe,
>>
>>
>>  On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Philippe Marschall
>>  <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>  > Sorry but this is the Seaside mailing list, not squeak-dev.
>>
>>
>> that Weekly Squeak Summary e-mail was sent to the following lists:
>>  announcements, beginners, seaside, and squeak-dev. Just like all
>>  before. ;-)
>>
>>  The News team agreed on this bunch of lists when the Summary was kicked off.
>
> Very well but the news team does not run this list. We would
> appreciate it if we could keep the mails on this list about Seaside.
> People with an interest in Squeak can subscribe one of the mentioned
> lists or read the Weekly Squeak.
>

> 2008
>
> Philippe Marschall ha scritto:
> > 2008/3/24, Michael Haupt <[hidden email]>:
> >> Hi Philippe,
> >>
> >>
> >>  On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Philippe Marschall
> >>  <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>  > Sorry but this is the Seaside mailing list, not squeak-dev.
> >>
> >>
> >> that Weekly Squeak Summary e-mail was sent to the following lists:
> >>  announcements, beginners, seaside, and squeak-dev. Just like all
> >>  before. ;-)
> >>
> >>  The News team agreed on this bunch of lists when the Summary was
> kicked off.
> >
> > Very well but the news team does not run this list. We would
> > appreciate it if we could keep the mails on this list about Seaside.
> > People with an interest in Squeak can subscribe one of the mentioned
> > lists or read the Weekly Squeak.
> >
>
>
> Hi Philippe,
>
> the decision for sending this summaries to the Seaside list goes back

> Philippe Marschall ha scritto:
>> 2008/3/24, Michael Haupt <[hidden email]>:
>>> Hi Philippe,
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Philippe Marschall
>>>  <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>  > Sorry but this is the Seaside mailing list, not squeak-dev.
>>>
>>>
>>> that Weekly Squeak Summary e-mail was sent to the following lists:
>>>  announcements, beginners, seaside, and squeak-dev. Just like all
>>>  before. ;-)
>>>
>>>  The News team agreed on this bunch of lists when the Summary was
>>> kicked off.
>>
>> Very well but the news team does not run this list. We would
>> appreciate it if we could keep the mails on this list about Seaside.
>> People with an interest in Squeak can subscribe one of the mentioned
>> lists or read the Weekly Squeak.
>>
>
>
> Hi Philippe,
>
> the decision for sending this summaries to the Seaside list goes back to
> when Seaside was pretty much a Squeak-only framework. I remember asking
> the mantainer of this list (at the time, it was Avi) for permission to
> send the announcements. Noone ever complained before. Do people now feel
> that's not appropriate anymore?
>

> From: Miguel Enrique Cobá Martínez
>
> Giovanni Corriga wrote:
> > Philippe Marschall ha scritto:
> >> 2008/3/24, Michael Haupt <[hidden email]>:
> >>> Hi Philippe,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Philippe Marschall
> >>>  <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>  > Sorry but this is the Seaside mailing list, not squeak-dev.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> that Weekly Squeak Summary e-mail was sent to the following lists:
> >>>  announcements, beginners, seaside, and squeak-dev. Just like all
> >>>  before. ;-)
> >>>
> >>>  The News team agreed on this bunch of lists when the Summary was
> >>> kicked off.
> >>
> >> Very well but the news team does not run this list. We would
> >> appreciate it if we could keep the mails on this list about Seaside.
> >> People with an interest in Squeak can subscribe one of the mentioned
> >> lists or read the Weekly Squeak.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Hi Philippe,
> >
> > the decision for sending this summaries to the Seaside list goes back to
> > when Seaside was pretty much a Squeak-only framework. I remember asking
> > the mantainer of this list (at the time, it was Avi) for permission to
> > send the announcements. Noone ever complained before. Do people now feel
> > that's not appropriate anymore?
> >
> Of course it is apropriate.
> I think that Seaside is an entry point to Smalltalk in general and to
> the Squeak world in particular. So, if people are comming to smalltalk
> by means of Seaside, this kind of messages can show the other
> *interesting* things that are part of the squeak world. We have to
> remember that Seaside is just a part of a bigger set of technologies
> and, the more people know about them, the better for us.
> It is very difficult already to convince *enterprises* to use
> alternatives to java/php/.net, but if we can reach a critical user base,
> as the ruby on rails did for ruby, we can have a better chance to bring
> this technologies to them.
> By not allowing the spread of information like the squeak new are trying
> to do, we are just working agaist this goal.
> So I vote to allow and to contribute to the spread information by this
> and another means.
>
> Cheers,
> Miguel Cobá

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Aldred
>
> Miguel Enrique Cobá Martínez wrote:
> > Of course it is apropriate.
> > I think that Seaside is an entry point to Smalltalk in general and to
> > the Squeak world in particular.
>
> Not necessarily a squeak entry point, we use it with VisualWorks.
> Seaside is not Squeak even if it started there. As Michael pointed out
> earlier, should the Seaside list also carry release announcements about
> VW?
>
> Personally I don't particularly care one way or the other, especially if
> they're only once a week or less. It is interesting to find a summary of
> what areas are active.
>
> cheers
> Steve
>
> _______________________________________________
> seaside mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Philippe Marschall [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 2:24 AM
> To: [hidden email]; Seaside - general discussion
> Subject: Re: [Seaside] The Weekly Squeak Summary No. 17: Jan 13 - Mar 22,
> 2008
>
> 2008/3/28, Ron Teitelbaum <[hidden email]>:
> > > From: Miguel Enrique Cobá Martínez
> >
> > >
> >  > Giovanni Corriga wrote:
> >  > > Philippe Marschall ha scritto:
> >  > >> 2008/3/24, Michael Haupt <[hidden email]>:
> >  > >>> Hi Philippe,
> >  > >>>
> >  > >>>
> >  > >>>  On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Philippe Marschall
> >  > >>>  <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >  > >>>  > Sorry but this is the Seaside mailing list, not squeak-dev.
> >  > >>>
> >  > >>>
> >  > >>> that Weekly Squeak Summary e-mail was sent to the following
> lists:
> >  > >>>  announcements, beginners, seaside, and squeak-dev. Just like all
> >  > >>>  before. ;-)
> >  > >>>
> >  > >>>  The News team agreed on this bunch of lists when the Summary was
> >  > >>> kicked off.
> >  > >>
> >  > >> Very well but the news team does not run this list. We would
> >  > >> appreciate it if we could keep the mails on this list about
> Seaside.
> >  > >> People with an interest in Squeak can subscribe one of the
> mentioned
> >  > >> lists or read the Weekly Squeak.
> >  > >>
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > > Hi Philippe,
> >  > >
> >  > > the decision for sending this summaries to the Seaside list goes
> back to
> >  > > when Seaside was pretty much a Squeak-only framework. I remember
> asking
> >  > > the mantainer of this list (at the time, it was Avi) for permission
> to
> >  > > send the announcements. Noone ever complained before. Do people now
> feel
> >  > > that's not appropriate anymore?
> >  > >
> >  > Of course it is apropriate.
> >  > I think that Seaside is an entry point to Smalltalk in general and to
> >  > the Squeak world in particular. So, if people are comming to
> smalltalk
> >  > by means of Seaside, this kind of messages can show the other
> >  > *interesting* things that are part of the squeak world. We have to
> >  > remember that Seaside is just a part of a bigger set of technologies
> >  > and, the more people know about them, the better for us.
> >  > It is very difficult already to convince *enterprises* to use
> >  > alternatives to java/php/.net, but if we can reach a critical user
> base,
> >  > as the ruby on rails did for ruby, we can have a better chance to
> bring
> >  > this technologies to them.
> >  > By not allowing the spread of information like the squeak new are
> trying
> >  > to do, we are just working agaist this goal.
> >  > So I vote to allow and to contribute to the spread information by
> this
> >  > and another means.
> >  >
> >  > Cheers,
> >  > Miguel Cobá
> >
> >
> > I'm glad somebody finally said something.  I was just going to let this
> go
> >  figuring if nobody says anything than I guess it doesn't really matter.
> >
> >  I was personally offended by Philippe comment.  It is really hard for
> me to
> >  believe that after all the work I put into trying to keep Seaside in
> the
> >  news that this community would deny us the opportunity to promote the
> Weekly
> >  Squeak on the mailing list.
> >
> >  I think that if Seaside doesn't value our promotion enough to help us
> in
> >  return, that's fine, we can just go away.  Although I'm not the Team
> Lead
> >  anymore, so I really shouldn't be speaking for the team.  Still I take
> this
> >  as a personal attack, and I am offended.
>
> That was not intended to be a quality rating about about your work,
> indeed I find the weekly Squeak of high quality, there is no need to
> be offended. The reason I wrote this mail to the list instead of the
> news team directly is that we can have a discussion in public and
> everyone who is interested can post his opinion.
>
> What made me write this mail is that to me:
> - Seaside is not about promoting Smalltalk
> - Seaside is not about the Squeak "environment" (EToys, Shopie,
> Croquet, Scratch, OLPC, SqueakLand, research project X, ...)
> to me Seaside is a web framework for Smalltalk who runs on Squeak. Period.
>
> Who ever is interested in the Weekly Squeak can read it directly or
> via RSS feed. If we have a weekly Squeak on this list, shouldn't we
> have a weekly Cincom Smalltalk, Dolphin Smalltalk, Gemstone Smalltalk
> and GNU Smalltalk as well? If we had all these would that still be
> appropriate? What's the reasoning for not posting on the Magma and
> Exupery lists as well?
>
> Or to make an other example. Would you find it appropriate if the Sun
> news team would post the weekly Java in the mailinglist of Tapestry?
>