To prepare 3.9.1

> Here is their list of suggested items:
>
> "We use the following three fixes that are crucial for any server setup:
> 0006581: Image freezes (background processes like Seaside make no
> progress) and Squeak hoggs CPU
> This is the image freezing problem, where connecting with VNC and
> moving the mouse would bring the image alive again. When being stuck,
> Squeak hoggs the CPU, memory consumtion is stable. http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=6581
> Note: fix takes only effect if Preferences enable: #serverMode !
> --------
> 0006588: Broken Semaphore>>critical: leads to frozen processes in Delay
> VNC doesn't respond to UI events, 0% cpu usage, several processes
> frozen in Delay although our Seaside server still responds. http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=6588
> --------
> 0006576: Delay is not thread-safe
> Delay is not thread-safe since currently the calling process updates
> the internal Delay structure itself. If the process gets terminated
> while doing this (e.g., adding/removing from SuspendedDelays) the
> whole system is left in an inconsistent state and breaks. http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=6576
> --------
> 0006524: TTFonts can't load unicode character maps
> - http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=6524
> --------
> Font caching
> http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=6089
>
> Something else, that would be good to change is to remove OmniBrowser.
> There are two reasons why I've done this manually for the base image
> of our build process:
> - with the old version of OmniBrowser installed the newer version
> cannot be loaded automatically with Monticello (If I remember
> correctly because there packages have been moved or renamed)
> - for production we need small images (a few MBs per image can make a
> significant difference when running hundreds of images)
>
> Now tell me if some others are important for us.
> I was thinking that Nebraska and Speech could be removed too.
>
> So let me know I will try to do my best to produce 3.9.1

> If you want to use LevelPlayingField as a process to apply and test
> these fixes out.
>
> See http://installer.pbwiki.com/MinorFixes-Squeak3:10 and
> http://installer.pbwiki.com/MinorFixesUnstable-Squeak3:10.
>
> Then if you produce 3.9 equivalents:
>
> put the bug fixes in http://installer.pbwiki.com/MinorFixes-Squeak3:9
> put package upgrades in
> http://installer.pbwiki.com/PackageUpgrades-Squeak3:9
> put package removals in http://installer.pbwiki.com/Clean-Squeak3:9
>
> Then in a 3.9 image with LPF, or in a 3.9 image without LPF, but with
> Installer loaded from squeaksource or
> (http://installer.pbwiki.com/f/installer.st ), you can test them all  
> out via
>
> Installer do: 'Latest;Clean'.
>
> or from a command line...
>
> with LPF
>
> #squeak 3.9.image http://installer.pbwiki.com/f/LPF.st Installer  
> +debug
> do="Latest;Clean" SmalltalkImage save="3.9.1"
>
> If you want to see the whole script of what it did...
>
> Installer view: 'Latest'.
> Installer view: 'Clean'.
>
> Whether we actually want 3.9.1 to be based upon LPF is worth
> considering, since LPF
> includes MC1.5, Monticello Configurations, Launcher, and Installer
> If we dont then these can be loaded later by LPF for anyone that does
> want them. (This is easier than unloading them for people that dont  
> want
> them).
>
> To perform this process without LPF, simply load Installer from
> squeaksource, perform the Installer do:'Latest;Clean'. and then remove
> the class Installer before saving.
>
> Once you have something which works as intended, I myself dont know  
> what
> happens next  in terms of update streams and packaging etc.
>
> best regards
>
> Keith
>
> p.s. when I did my tentative 3.9.1 in Oct 2006, I put a list of bug
> fixes here:
> http://squeak310.pbwiki.com/From39To391  Note that the fixes marked as
> essential were essential
> for the very old LPF to run, as opposed to essential for fixing  
> things.
>
>
>
>

> If you want to use LevelPlayingField as a process to apply and test
> these fixes out.
>
> See http://installer.pbwiki.com/MinorFixes-Squeak3:10 and
> http://installer.pbwiki.com/MinorFixesUnstable-Squeak3:10.
>
> Then if you produce 3.9 equivalents:
>
> put the bug fixes in http://installer.pbwiki.com/MinorFixes-Squeak3:9
> put package upgrades in
> http://installer.pbwiki.com/PackageUpgrades-Squeak3:9
> put package removals in http://installer.pbwiki.com/Clean-Squeak3:9
>
> Then in a 3.9 image with LPF, or in a 3.9 image without LPF, but with
> Installer loaded from squeaksource or
> (http://installer.pbwiki.com/f/installer.st ), you can test them all  
> out via
>
> Installer do: 'Latest;Clean'.
>
> or from a command line...
>
> with LPF
>
> #squeak 3.9.image http://installer.pbwiki.com/f/LPF.st Installer  
> +debug
> do="Latest;Clean" SmalltalkImage save="3.9.1"
>
> If you want to see the whole script of what it did...
>
> Installer view: 'Latest'.
> Installer view: 'Clean'.
>
> Whether we actually want 3.9.1 to be based upon LPF is worth
> considering, since LPF
> includes MC1.5, Monticello Configurations, Launcher, and Installer
> If we dont then these can be loaded later by LPF for anyone that does
> want them. (This is easier than unloading them for people that dont  
> want
> them).
>
> To perform this process without LPF, simply load Installer from
> squeaksource, perform the Installer do:'Latest;Clean'. and then remove
> the class Installer before saving.
>
> Once you have something which works as intended, I myself dont know  
> what
> happens next  in terms of update streams and packaging etc.
>
> best regards
>
> Keith
>
> p.s. when I did my tentative 3.9.1 in Oct 2006, I put a list of bug
> fixes here:
> http://squeak310.pbwiki.com/From39To391  Note that the fixes marked as
> essential were essential
> for the very old LPF to run, as opposed to essential for fixing  
> things.
>
>
>
>

> Ok thanks keith I will try to digest what you said.
> Could you help me in the process?
>
> Stef
>
> On Feb 1, 2008, at 11:21 PM, Keith Hodges wrote:
>
> > If you want to use LevelPlayingField as a process to apply and test
> > these fixes out.
> >
> > See http://installer.pbwiki.com/MinorFixes-Squeak3:10 and
> > http://installer.pbwiki.com/MinorFixesUnstable-Squeak3:10.
> >
> > Then if you produce 3.9 equivalents:
> >
> > put the bug fixes in http://installer.pbwiki.com/MinorFixes-Squeak3:9
> > put package upgrades in
> > http://installer.pbwiki.com/PackageUpgrades-Squeak3:9
> > put package removals in http://installer.pbwiki.com/Clean-Squeak3:9
> >
> > Then in a 3.9 image with LPF, or in a 3.9 image without LPF, but with
> > Installer loaded from squeaksource or
> > (http://installer.pbwiki.com/f/installer.st ), you can test them all
> > out via
> >
> > Installer do: 'Latest;Clean'.
> >
> > or from a command line...
> >
> > with LPF
> >
> > #squeak 3.9.image http://installer.pbwiki.com/f/LPF.st Installer
> > +debug
> > do="Latest;Clean" SmalltalkImage save="3.9.1"
> >
> > If you want to see the whole script of what it did...
> >
> > Installer view: 'Latest'.
> > Installer view: 'Clean'.
> >
> > Whether we actually want 3.9.1 to be based upon LPF is worth
> > considering, since LPF
> > includes MC1.5, Monticello Configurations, Launcher, and Installer
> > If we dont then these can be loaded later by LPF for anyone that does
> > want them. (This is easier than unloading them for people that dont
> > want
> > them).
> >
> > To perform this process without LPF, simply load Installer from
> > squeaksource, perform the Installer do:'Latest;Clean'. and then remove
> > the class Installer before saving.
> >
> > Once you have something which works as intended, I myself dont know
> > what
> > happens next  in terms of update streams and packaging etc.
> >
> > best regards
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > p.s. when I did my tentative 3.9.1 in Oct 2006, I put a list of bug
> > fixes here:
> > http://squeak310.pbwiki.com/From39To391  Note that the fixes marked as
> > essential were essential
> > for the very old LPF to run, as opposed to essential for fixing
> > things.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

> Personally I would prefer it if 3.9.1 is simply a bug fix release that
> builds on tested and tried technology. If LPF makes Stef's job much
> easier so be it, but if not then I would prefer it if we could
> concentrate on fixes and people who want LPF can load it themselves.
>
> Cheers
> Philippe
>
> 2008/2/2, stephane ducasse <[hidden email]>:
>> Ok thanks keith I will try to digest what you said.
>> Could you help me in the process?
>>
>> Stef
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2008, at 11:21 PM, Keith Hodges wrote:
>>
>>> If you want to use LevelPlayingField as a process to apply and test
>>> these fixes out.
>>>
>>> See http://installer.pbwiki.com/MinorFixes-Squeak3:10 and
>>> http://installer.pbwiki.com/MinorFixesUnstable-Squeak3:10.
>>>
>>> Then if you produce 3.9 equivalents:
>>>
>>> put the bug fixes in http://installer.pbwiki.com/MinorFixes- 
>>> Squeak3:9
>>> put package upgrades in
>>> http://installer.pbwiki.com/PackageUpgrades-Squeak3:9
>>> put package removals in http://installer.pbwiki.com/Clean-Squeak3:9
>>>
>>> Then in a 3.9 image with LPF, or in a 3.9 image without LPF, but  
>>> with
>>> Installer loaded from squeaksource or
>>> (http://installer.pbwiki.com/f/installer.st ), you can test them all
>>> out via
>>>
>>> Installer do: 'Latest;Clean'.
>>>
>>> or from a command line...
>>>
>>> with LPF
>>>
>>> #squeak 3.9.image http://installer.pbwiki.com/f/LPF.st Installer
>>> +debug
>>> do="Latest;Clean" SmalltalkImage save="3.9.1"
>>>
>>> If you want to see the whole script of what it did...
>>>
>>> Installer view: 'Latest'.
>>> Installer view: 'Clean'.
>>>
>>> Whether we actually want 3.9.1 to be based upon LPF is worth
>>> considering, since LPF
>>> includes MC1.5, Monticello Configurations, Launcher, and Installer
>>> If we dont then these can be loaded later by LPF for anyone that  
>>> does
>>> want them. (This is easier than unloading them for people that dont
>>> want
>>> them).
>>>
>>> To perform this process without LPF, simply load Installer from
>>> squeaksource, perform the Installer do:'Latest;Clean'. and then  
>>> remove
>>> the class Installer before saving.
>>>
>>> Once you have something which works as intended, I myself dont know
>>> what
>>> happens next  in terms of update streams and packaging etc.
>>>
>>> best regards
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>> p.s. when I did my tentative 3.9.1 in Oct 2006, I put a list of bug
>>> fixes here:
>>> http://squeak310.pbwiki.com/From39To391  Note that the fixes  
>>> marked as
>>> essential were essential
>>> for the very old LPF to run, as opposed to essential for fixing
>>> things.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

> Yes. I do not want to start a new fork (at least not now).
> Right now I just want to help people to use 3.9 and include a set of
> crucial fixes
> that are needed.
>
> Stef
>
>
>> Personally I would prefer it if 3.9.1 is simply a bug fix release that
>> builds on tested and tried technology. If LPF makes Stef's job much
>> easier so be it, but if not then I would prefer it if we could
>> concentrate on fixes and people who want LPF can load it themselves.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Philippe
>>
>> 2008/2/2, stephane ducasse <[hidden email]>:
>>> Ok thanks keith I will try to digest what you said.
>>> Could you help me in the process?
>>>
>>> Stef
>>>
>>> On Feb 1, 2008, at 11:21 PM, Keith Hodges wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you want to use LevelPlayingField as a process to apply and test
>>>> these fixes out.
>>>>
>>>> See http://installer.pbwiki.com/MinorFixes-Squeak3:10 and
>>>> http://installer.pbwiki.com/MinorFixesUnstable-Squeak3:10.
>>>>
>>>> Then if you produce 3.9 equivalents:
>>>>
>>>> put the bug fixes in http://installer.pbwiki.com/MinorFixes-Squeak3:9
>>>> put package upgrades in
>>>> http://installer.pbwiki.com/PackageUpgrades-Squeak3:9
>>>> put package removals in http://installer.pbwiki.com/Clean-Squeak3:9
>>>>
>>>> Then in a 3.9 image with LPF, or in a 3.9 image without LPF, but with
>>>> Installer loaded from squeaksource or
>>>> (http://installer.pbwiki.com/f/installer.st ), you can test them all
>>>> out via
>>>>
>>>> Installer do: 'Latest;Clean'.
>>>>
>>>> or from a command line...
>>>>
>>>> with LPF
>>>>
>>>> #squeak 3.9.image http://installer.pbwiki.com/f/LPF.st Installer
>>>> +debug
>>>> do="Latest;Clean" SmalltalkImage save="3.9.1"
>>>>
>>>> If you want to see the whole script of what it did...
>>>>
>>>> Installer view: 'Latest'.
>>>> Installer view: 'Clean'.
>>>>
>>>> Whether we actually want 3.9.1 to be based upon LPF is worth
>>>> considering, since LPF
>>>> includes MC1.5, Monticello Configurations, Launcher, and Installer
>>>> If we dont then these can be loaded later by LPF for anyone that does
>>>> want them. (This is easier than unloading them for people that dont
>>>> want
>>>> them).
>>>>
>>>> To perform this process without LPF, simply load Installer from
>>>> squeaksource, perform the Installer do:'Latest;Clean'. and then remove
>>>> the class Installer before saving.
>>>>
>>>> Once you have something which works as intended, I myself dont know
>>>> what
>>>> happens next  in terms of update streams and packaging etc.
>>>>
>>>> best regards
>>>>
>>>> Keith
>>>>
>>>> p.s. when I did my tentative 3.9.1 in Oct 2006, I put a list of bug
>>>> fixes here:
>>>> http://squeak310.pbwiki.com/From39To391  Note that the fixes marked as
>>>> essential were essential
>>>> for the very old LPF to run, as opposed to essential for fixing
>>>> things.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

> Hi all
>
> some people asked if we could produce 3.9.1.
> Here is their list of suggested items:
>
> "We use the following three fixes that are crucial for any server setup:
> 0006581: Image freezes (background processes like Seaside make no
> progress) and Squeak hoggs CPU
> This is the image freezing problem, where connecting with VNC and
> moving the mouse would bring the image alive again. When being stuck,
> Squeak hoggs the CPU, memory consumtion is stable. http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=6581
> Note: fix takes only effect if Preferences enable: #serverMode !
> --------
> 0006588: Broken Semaphore>>critical: leads to frozen processes in Delay
> VNC doesn't respond to UI events, 0% cpu usage, several processes
> frozen in Delay although our Seaside server still responds. http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=6588
> --------
> 0006576: Delay is not thread-safe
> Delay is not thread-safe since currently the calling process updates
> the internal Delay structure itself. If the process gets terminated
> while doing this (e.g., adding/removing from SuspendedDelays) the
> whole system is left in an inconsistent state and breaks. http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=6576
> --------
> 0006524: TTFonts can't load unicode character maps
> - http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=6524
> --------
> Font caching
> http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=6089
>
> Something else, that would be good to change is to remove OmniBrowser.
> There are two reasons why I've done this manually for the base image
> of our build process:
> - with the old version of OmniBrowser installed the newer version
> cannot be loaded automatically with Monticello (If I remember
> correctly because there packages have been moved or renamed)
> - for production we need small images (a few MBs per image can make a
> significant difference when running hundreds of images)
>
> Now tell me if some others are important for us.
> I was thinking that Nebraska and Speech could be removed too.
>
> So let me know I will try to do my best to produce 3.9.1

>> Fixed Object >> #identityHash
> http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=1876
>
> There are at least 3 (!!!) fixes for Interval >> #hash / #equals:
> http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=5703
> http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=3488
> http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=3380
>
> The WeakKeyDictionary might or be interesting or too radical:
> http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=6348
>
> Cheers
> Philippe
>
>

> Philippe it seems to me that these ones may introduce problems. I
> prefer to let that for the next one.\
> But thanks for pointing them.
>
> Stef
>
>
> >> Fixed Object >> #identityHash
> > http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=1876
> >
> > There are at least 3 (!!!) fixes for Interval >> #hash / #equals:
> > http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=5703
> > http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=3488
> > http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=3380
> >
> > The WeakKeyDictionary might or be interesting or too radical:
> > http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=6348
> >
> > Cheers
> > Philippe
> >
> >
>
>
>

> Janko Mivšek wrote:
>> I also support this quick interim release with most needed patches,  
>> specially those Andreas ones regarding stability of concurrent code.
>
> A simple way would be to just use the 3.8.x updates modula the ones  
> that originally came from 3.9.
>
> Michael
>
>