Tweak in Browser Plugin

> I'm successfully running Tweak now in a browser window via the  
> NPSqueak plugin. Everything runs bug-equivalent (so far) with the  
> standalone version with the exception of...
>
> Several keys are mapped oddly from the keyboard when in the Tweak  
> environment. s,w,h,b, the return key, some others(?) are being  
> paired with control characters only in Tweak, only in browser. I  
> can run same image standalone and have no troubles.
>
> The plugin is v3.5.3C1, and we are using much newer (assuming that  
> plugin version maps to VM version) standalone VMs (3.8.8b14, 3.8.9b7).
>
> I scanned through the image looking for some 'I'm in a browser so  
> do this weird stuff with keystrokes' code, but found nothing.

>
> Am 19.01.2006 um 23:41 schrieb Fournier Eric:
>
>> I'm successfully running Tweak now in a browser window via the  
>> NPSqueak plugin. Everything runs bug-equivalent (so far) with the  
>> standalone version with the exception of...
>>
>> Several keys are mapped oddly from the keyboard when in the Tweak  
>> environment. s,w,h,b, the return key, some others(?) are being  
>> paired with control characters only in Tweak, only in browser. I  
>> can run same image standalone and have no troubles.
>>
>> The plugin is v3.5.3C1, and we are using much newer (assuming that  
>> plugin version maps to VM version) standalone VMs (3.8.8b14,  
>> 3.8.9b7).
>>
>> I scanned through the image looking for some 'I'm in a browser so  
>> do this weird stuff with keystrokes' code, but found nothing.
>
> Sounds like a keycode problem (see  
> CMacOSPlatform>>macVirtualKeycodes). What does "Smalltalk  
> vmVersion" say in the plugin?

>
> On Jan 19, 2006, at 4:49 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>
>>
>> Am 19.01.2006 um 23:41 schrieb Fournier Eric:
>>
>>> I'm successfully running Tweak now in a browser window via the  
>>> NPSqueak plugin. Everything runs bug-equivalent (so far) with the  
>>> standalone version with the exception of...
>>>
>>> Several keys are mapped oddly from the keyboard when in the Tweak  
>>> environment. s,w,h,b, the return key, some others(?) are being  
>>> paired with control characters only in Tweak, only in browser. I  
>>> can run same image standalone and have no troubles.
>>>
>>> The plugin is v3.5.3C1, and we are using much newer (assuming  
>>> that plugin version maps to VM version) standalone VMs (3.8.8b14,  
>>> 3.8.9b7).
>>>
>>> I scanned through the image looking for some 'I'm in a browser so  
>>> do this weird stuff with keystrokes' code, but found nothing.
>>
>> Sounds like a keycode problem (see  
>> CMacOSPlatform>>macVirtualKeycodes). What does "Smalltalk  
>> vmVersion" say in the plugin?
>
> After doing some installation updating:
>
>  'Squeak3.8 of ''5 May 2005'' [latest update: #6665] 1.5'
>
> The Mac Finder's info on NPSqueakStubCFM is 3.5.1bC1;  
> NPSqueak.bundle is 3.8.8b7.
>
> I mentioned the issue to one of the Croquet programmers (also  
> running Tweak), and he (Peter Moore) mentioned that he recalled  
> that we have seen this problem before (in standalone Squeak). He  
> thinks one of the other guys might have a workaround. I'll check  
> that out tommorrow.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --Eric
>
>
>>
>> - Bert -
>>
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>
> Eric Fournier
> Java and Web Services
> University of Minnesota Office of Information Technology
> 190 Shepherd Labs
>
> [hidden email]
>
>
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> Ah, okay Bert;
>
> The same image returns:
>
>  'Squeak3.8 of ''5 May 2005'' [latest update: #6665] Squeak VM  
> 3.8.8b14'
>
> ...when run against the standalone VM (thoughtfully included with  
> the Squeakland package). Looks like the report of the VM version  
> gets boggled in the browser plugin. I just hacked  
> CMacOSPlatform>>macVirtualKeycodes to return true since we are  
> using modern VMs here. Solved the problem.
>
> I owe you a beer!
>
> --Eric
>
> On Jan 19, 2006, at 8:24 PM, Eric Fournier wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jan 19, 2006, at 4:49 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Am 19.01.2006 um 23:41 schrieb Fournier Eric:
>>>
>>>> I'm successfully running Tweak now in a browser window via the  
>>>> NPSqueak plugin. Everything runs bug-equivalent (so far) with  
>>>> the standalone version with the exception of...
>>>>
>>>> Several keys are mapped oddly from the keyboard when in the  
>>>> Tweak environment. s,w,h,b, the return key, some others(?) are  
>>>> being paired with control characters only in Tweak, only in  
>>>> browser. I can run same image standalone and have no troubles.
>>>>
>>>> The plugin is v3.5.3C1, and we are using much newer (assuming  
>>>> that plugin version maps to VM version) standalone VMs  
>>>> (3.8.8b14, 3.8.9b7).
>>>>
>>>> I scanned through the image looking for some 'I'm in a browser  
>>>> so do this weird stuff with keystrokes' code, but found nothing.
>>>
>>> Sounds like a keycode problem (see  
>>> CMacOSPlatform>>macVirtualKeycodes). What does "Smalltalk  
>>> vmVersion" say in the plugin?
>>
>> After doing some installation updating:
>>
>>  'Squeak3.8 of ''5 May 2005'' [latest update: #6665] 1.5'
>>
>> The Mac Finder's info on NPSqueakStubCFM is 3.5.1bC1;  
>> NPSqueak.bundle is 3.8.8b7.
>>
>> I mentioned the issue to one of the Croquet programmers (also  
>> running Tweak), and he (Peter Moore) mentioned that he recalled  
>> that we have seen this problem before (in standalone Squeak). He  
>> thinks one of the other guys might have a workaround. I'll check  
>> that out tommorrow.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --Eric
>>
>>
>>>
>>> - Bert -
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Tweak mailing list
>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://impara.de/mailman/listinfo/tweak
>>
>> Eric Fournier
>> Java and Web Services
>> University of Minnesota Office of Information Technology
>> 190 Shepherd Labs
>>
>> [hidden email]
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Tweak mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> http://impara.de/mailman/listinfo/tweak
>
> Eric Fournier
> Java and Web Services
> University of Minnesota Office of Information Technology
> 190 Shepherd Labs
>
> [hidden email]
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Tweak mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://impara.de/mailman/listinfo/tweak

> Actually, the current macVirtualKeycodes method falls back on a  
> preference (we had the same problem in a custom VM):
>
> macVirtualKeycodes
> self majorMinorBuildFrom: Smalltalk vmVersion
> satisfies: [:major :minor :build |
> | ver |
> ver := (minor * 100) + (major * 10000) + build.
> ^ver >= 30807].
> "No parseable version number found. Preference defaults to false"
> ^Preferences macVirtualKeycodes
>
> - Bert -
>
> Am 20.01.2006 um 05:30 schrieb Eric Fournier:
>
>> Ah, okay Bert;
>>
>> The same image returns:
>>
>>  'Squeak3.8 of ''5 May 2005'' [latest update: #6665] Squeak VM  
>> 3.8.8b14'
>>
>> ...when run against the standalone VM (thoughtfully included with  
>> the Squeakland package). Looks like the report of the VM version  
>> gets boggled in the browser plugin. I just hacked  
>> CMacOSPlatform>>macVirtualKeycodes to return true since we are  
>> using modern VMs here. Solved the problem.
>>
>> I owe you a beer!
>>
>> --Eric
>>
>> On Jan 19, 2006, at 8:24 PM, Eric Fournier wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 19, 2006, at 4:49 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 19.01.2006 um 23:41 schrieb Fournier Eric:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm successfully running Tweak now in a browser window via the  
>>>>> NPSqueak plugin. Everything runs bug-equivalent (so far) with  
>>>>> the standalone version with the exception of...
>>>>>
>>>>> Several keys are mapped oddly from the keyboard when in the  
>>>>> Tweak environment. s,w,h,b, the return key, some others(?) are  
>>>>> being paired with control characters only in Tweak, only in  
>>>>> browser. I can run same image standalone and have no troubles.
>>>>>
>>>>> The plugin is v3.5.3C1, and we are using much newer (assuming  
>>>>> that plugin version maps to VM version) standalone VMs  
>>>>> (3.8.8b14, 3.8.9b7).
>>>>>
>>>>> I scanned through the image looking for some 'I'm in a browser  
>>>>> so do this weird stuff with keystrokes' code, but found nothing.
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like a keycode problem (see  
>>>> CMacOSPlatform>>macVirtualKeycodes). What does "Smalltalk  
>>>> vmVersion" say in the plugin?
>>>
>>> After doing some installation updating:
>>>
>>>  'Squeak3.8 of ''5 May 2005'' [latest update: #6665] 1.5'
>>>
>>> The Mac Finder's info on NPSqueakStubCFM is 3.5.1bC1;  
>>> NPSqueak.bundle is 3.8.8b7.
>>>
>>> --Eric
>>>
>>>

> Right, but setting the preference to the default I want is of no  
> help because the version number returned by Smalltalk>>vmVersion,  
> while incorrect, is parse-able, and so the preference never gets  
> answered. I think the NPSqueak plugin version of the VM should  
> return the VM version it is based on, but it doesn't. With my  
> updated version of the plugin, I still get:
>
>  'Squeak3.8 of ''5 May 2005'' [latest update: #6665] 2.0.3'
>
> ...even though the Mac Finder info suggests the plugin is based on  
> 3.8.8b7. '2.0.3' means something to John, I bet ;-)
>
> -- Eric
>
>
> On Jan 20, 2006, at 3:03 AM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>
>> Actually, the current macVirtualKeycodes method falls back on a  
>> preference (we had the same problem in a custom VM):
>>
>> macVirtualKeycodes
>> self majorMinorBuildFrom: Smalltalk vmVersion
>> satisfies: [:major :minor :build |
>> | ver |
>> ver := (minor * 100) + (major * 10000) + build.
>> ^ver >= 30807].
>> "No parseable version number found. Preference defaults to false"
>> ^Preferences macVirtualKeycodes
>>
>> - Bert -
>>
>> Am 20.01.2006 um 05:30 schrieb Eric Fournier:
>>
>>> Ah, okay Bert;
>>>
>>> The same image returns:
>>>
>>>  'Squeak3.8 of ''5 May 2005'' [latest update: #6665] Squeak VM  
>>> 3.8.8b14'
>>>
>>> ...when run against the standalone VM (thoughtfully included with  
>>> the Squeakland package). Looks like the report of the VM version  
>>> gets boggled in the browser plugin. I just hacked  
>>> CMacOSPlatform>>macVirtualKeycodes to return true since we are  
>>> using modern VMs here. Solved the problem.
>>>
>>> I owe you a beer!
>>>
>>> --Eric
>>>
>>> On Jan 19, 2006, at 8:24 PM, Eric Fournier wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 19, 2006, at 4:49 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 19.01.2006 um 23:41 schrieb Fournier Eric:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm successfully running Tweak now in a browser window via the  
>>>>>> NPSqueak plugin. Everything runs bug-equivalent (so far) with  
>>>>>> the standalone version with the exception of...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Several keys are mapped oddly from the keyboard when in the  
>>>>>> Tweak environment. s,w,h,b, the return key, some others(?) are  
>>>>>> being paired with control characters only in Tweak, only in  
>>>>>> browser. I can run same image standalone and have no troubles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The plugin is v3.5.3C1, and we are using much newer (assuming  
>>>>>> that plugin version maps to VM version) standalone VMs  
>>>>>> (3.8.8b14, 3.8.9b7).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I scanned through the image looking for some 'I'm in a browser  
>>>>>> so do this weird stuff with keystrokes' code, but found nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds like a keycode problem (see  
>>>>> CMacOSPlatform>>macVirtualKeycodes). What does "Smalltalk  
>>>>> vmVersion" say in the plugin?
>>>>
>>>> After doing some installation updating:
>>>>
>>>>  'Squeak3.8 of ''5 May 2005'' [latest update: #6665] 1.5'
>>>>
>>>> The Mac Finder's info on NPSqueakStubCFM is 3.5.1bC1;  
>>>> NPSqueak.bundle is 3.8.8b7.
>>>>
>>>> --Eric
>>>>
>>>>
>
> Eric Fournier
> Java and Web Services
> University of Minnesota Office of Information Technology
> 190 Shepherd Labs
>
> [hidden email]
>
>