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garduino
Todo un hito.....hay videos de la vuelta a tierra y el aterrizaje?

El 1 de junio de 2011 19:54, Edgar J. De Cleene
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Que facil que se destruyen las cosas por arrogancia, no?  Mientras tanto,
aca vi unas noticias lindas...

1.  Nueva sonda a Jupiter, y con paneles solares porque la van a poner en
una orbita polar asi que nunca va a estar a la sombra.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juno_%28spacecraft%29

2.  Tambien en 2016 llega New Horizons a Pluton.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Horizons

3.  Lo que vale hacer las cosas bien... miren los Voyagers con sus ~1700
bytes de RAM...

http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/

4.  O que tal Opportunity (Spirit palmo durante el invierno marciano),
llevan 5 años andando y tenian una garantia de 90 dias...

http://marsrover.nasa.gov/home/

5.  Y el que sigue...

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/msl/index.html

6.  Ah, y de paso, que es esta aparente particula nueva?  Estan ahi de decir
que hay un descubrimiento nuevo... saldra?

http://resonaances.blogspot.com/2011/05/cdf-wjj-bump-is-almost-5-sigma.html

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/05/30/anomaly-at-the-tevatron-might-be-something-real/

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2011/06/tevatrons-mystery-signal-grows.html

Estaria bueno que no cerraran el Tevatron ahora en unos meses...


2011/6/1 Germán Arduino <[hidden email]>

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garduino
Qué hacés Andrés, capo! No sabía que estabas en SqueakRos, una muy buena
noticia en verdad!

Muy interesantes los links que pasás, aunque por ahora los vi muy por
arriba, voy a ver si el fin de semana leo un poco más seriamente.

Un gusto y saludos!


El 1 de junio de 2011 21:08, Andres Valloud <[hidden email]>escribió:

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>
> Que facil que se destruyen las cosas por arrogancia, no?  Mientras tanto,
> aca vi unas noticias lindas...
>
> 1.  Nueva sonda a Jupiter, y con paneles solares porque la van a poner en
> una orbita polar asi que nunca va a estar a la sombra.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juno_%28spacecraft%29
>
> 2.  Tambien en 2016 llega New Horizons a Pluton.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Horizons
>
> 3.  Lo que vale hacer las cosas bien... miren los Voyagers con sus ~1700
> bytes de RAM...
>
> http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/
>
> 4.  O que tal Opportunity (Spirit palmo durante el invierno marciano),
> llevan 5 años andando y tenian una garantia de 90 dias...
>
> http://marsrover.nasa.gov/home/
>
> 5.  Y el que sigue...
>
> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/msl/index.html
>
> 6.  Ah, y de paso, que es esta aparente particula nueva?  Estan ahi de
> decir que hay un descubrimiento nuevo... saldra?
>
> http://resonaances.blogspot.com/2011/05/cdf-wjj-bump-is-almost-5-sigma.html
>
>
> http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/05/30/anomaly-at-the-tevatron-might-be-something-real/
>
>
> http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2011/06/tevatrons-mystery-signal-grows.html
>
> Estaria bueno que no cerraran el Tevatron ahora en unos meses...
>
>
> 2011/6/1 Germán Arduino <[hidden email]>
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>> Todo un hito.....hay videos de la vuelta a tierra y el aterrizaje?
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>> El 1 de junio de 2011 19:54, Edgar J. De Cleene <[hidden email]>escribió:
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garduino
In reply to this post by Andres Valloud-5
El 1 de junio de 2011 21:08, Andres Valloud <[hidden email]>escribió:

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> 3.  Lo que vale hacer las cosas bien... miren los Voyagers con sus ~1700
> bytes de RAM...
>
> http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/
>


Empecé por este, por lo de los 1.7MB (o casi) de RAM, pero aún no encontré
la referencia,

Me encantaría saber más sobre el hard/soft que las controlaba, tenés algún
link, dato, etc (con una búsqueda rápida en la página aún no encontré nada)?
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garduino
opsss, 1,7KB no MB!

El día 1 de junio de 2011 22:40, Germán Arduino <[hidden email]> escribió:

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> El 1 de junio de 2011 21:08, Andres Valloud <[hidden email]>
> escribió:
>>
>>
>>
>> 3.  Lo que vale hacer las cosas bien... miren los Voyagers con sus ~1700
>> bytes de RAM...
>>
>> http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/
>
> Empecé por este, por lo de los 1.7MB (o casi) de RAM, pero aún no encontré
> la referencia,
> Me encantaría saber más sobre el hard/soft que las controlaba, tenés algún
> link, dato, etc (con una búsqueda rápida en la página aún no encontré nada)?
>



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Edgar De Cleene
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> Que facil que se destruyen las cosas por arrogancia, no?  Mientras tanto, aca
> vi unas noticias lindas...
>
> 1.  Nueva sonda a Jupiter, y con paneles solares porque la van a poner en una
> orbita polar asi que nunca va a estar a la sombra.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juno_%28spacecraft%29
>
> 2.  Tambien en 2016 llega New Horizons a Pluton.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Horizons
>
> 3.  Lo que vale hacer las cosas bien... miren los Voyagers con sus ~1700 bytes
> de RAM...
>
> http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/
>
> 4.  O que tal Opportunity (Spirit palmo durante el invierno marciano), llevan
> 5 años andando y tenian una garantia de 90 dias...
>
> http://marsrover.nasa.gov/home/
>
> 5.  Y el que sigue...
>
> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/msl/index.html
>
> 6.  Ah, y de paso, que es esta aparente particula nueva?  Estan ahi de decir
> que hay un descubrimiento nuevo... saldra?
>
> http://resonaances.blogspot.com/2011/05/cdf-wjj-bump-is-almost-5-sigma.html
>
> http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/05/30/anomaly-at-the-tev
> atron-might-be-something-real/
>
> http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2011/06/tevatrons-mystery-
> signal-grows.html
>
> Estaria bueno que no cerraran el Tevatron ahora en unos meses...
>
> Gracias Andres, algunos de estos no los conocia.
> Edgar

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Edgar De Cleene
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> El 1 de junio de 2011 21:08, Andres Valloud <[hidden email]>
> escribió:
>  
>
> 3.  Lo que vale hacer las cosas bien... miren los Voyagers con sus ~1700 bytes
> de RAM...
>
> http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/
>
>
>
> Empecé por este, por lo de los 1.7MB (o casi) de RAM, pero aún no encontré la
> referencia,
>
> Me encantaría saber más sobre el hard/soft que las controlaba, tenés algún
> link, dato, etc (con una búsqueda rápida en la página aún no encontré nada)?
>
> No se si eran estos los que tenina programación en USCD Pascal ?
> Que solo podia tener 77 archivos ?
>
> Edgar
>
>

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Andres Valloud-5
Ahhh, mentira, me acordaba mal de los 1.7kb.  En realidad dice que son como
68kb (32K words).  Igual... que joda...

http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/faq.html

*Question:* What kind of computers are used on the Voyager spacecraft?



*Answer:* There are three different computer types on the Voyager spacecraft
and there are two of each kind. Total number of words among the six
computers is about 32K.

Computer Command System (CCS) - 18-bit word, interrupt type processors (2)
with 4096 words each of plated wire, non-volatile memory.

Flight Data System (FDS) - 16-bit word machine (2) with modular memories and
8198 words each

Attitude and Articulation Control System (AACS) - 18-bit word machines (2)
with 4096 words each.

According to my calculations, that's a total of about 68KB, or small
potatoes compared to today's microprocessors. We probably could perform all
functions with one of today's boards and still have room for solid state
data storage and much more fault detection software. We would still need a
second unit for redundancy. Today's microprocessors are also much faster
than the chips used on Voyager and a comparative system would use less
electrical power. On the other hand, software might be more complicated as
opposed to that used in an interrupt type system, but it would be much more
capable and more flexible.

Let's look closer at the CCS. The CCS has two main functions: to carry out
instructions from the ground to operate the spacecraft, and to be alert for
a problem or malfunction and respond to it. Two identical 4096- word
memories contain both fixed routines (about 2800 words) and a variable
section (about 1290 words) for changing science sequences. The CCS issues
commands to the AACS for movement of the scan platform or spacecraft
maneuvers; to the FDS for changes in instrument configurations or telemetry
rates and to numerous other subsystems within the spacecraft for specific
actions. Fault-protection algorithms are also stored in the CCS, occupying
roughly 10 percent of the CCS memory.

The main functions of the FDS are to collect data from, and controls the
operations of, the scientific instruments; and to format engineering and
science data for on-board storage and/or real-time transmission. The FDS
also keeps the spacecraft "time" and provides frequency references to the
instruments and other spacecraft subsystems.

The Voyager spacecraft computers are interrupt driven computer, similar to
processors used in general purpose computers with a few special instructions
for increased efficiency. The programming is a form of assembly language.

There is no clock chip, as such, in the spacecraft. The "clock" is really a
counter, based on one of several electronically generated frequencies. These
frequencies, based on a reference, generated by a very stable oscillator,
are converted and fed to different locations in the spacecraft as
synchronization signals, timers, counters, etc. The "clock" signal is part
of the information telemetered to the ground and it is with ground software
that we convert to day of year, time of day Greenwich Mean Time.

Voyager was built in-house at JPL; the computers were manufactured by
General Electric to JPL specifications.


2011/6/1 Edgar J. De Cleene <[hidden email]>

>
>
> El 1 de junio de 2011 21:08, Andres Valloud <*[hidden email]*>
> escribió:
>
>
> 3.  Lo que vale hacer las cosas bien... miren los Voyagers con sus ~1700
> bytes de RAM...
>
> *http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/
> *
>
>
>
> Empecé por este, por lo de los 1.7MB (o casi) de RAM, pero aún no encontré
> la referencia,
>
> Me encantaría saber más sobre el hard/soft que las controlaba, tenés algún
> link, dato, etc (con una búsqueda rápida en la página aún no encontré nada)?
>
> No se si eran estos los que tenina programación en USCD Pascal ?
> Que solo podia tener 77 archivos ?
>
> Edgar
>
>
>
>  
>
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Edgar De Cleene
> Ahhh, mentira, me acordaba mal de los 1.7kb.  En realidad dice que son como
> 68kb (32K words).  Igual... que joda...
>
> http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/faq.html
>
>
> Question: What kind of computers are used on the Voyager spacecraft?
>
>  
>
> Answer: There are three different computer types on the Voyager spacecraft and
> there are two of each kind. Total number of words among the six computers is
> about 32K.
>
> Computer Command System (CCS) - 18-bit word, interrupt type processors (2)
> with 4096 words each of plated wire, non-volatile memory.
>
> Flight Data System (FDS) - 16-bit word machine (2) with modular memories and
> 8198 words each
>
> Attitude and Articulation Control System (AACS) - 18-bit word machines (2)
> with 4096 words each.
>
> According to my calculations, that's a total of about 68KB, or small potatoes
> compared to today's microprocessors. We probably could perform all functions
> with one of today's boards and still have room for solid state data storage
> and much more fault detection software. We would still need a second unit for
> redundancy. Today's microprocessors are also much faster than the chips used
> on Voyager and a comparative system would use less electrical power. On the
> other hand, software might be more complicated as opposed to that used in an
> interrupt type system, but it would be much more capable and more flexible.
>
> Let's look closer at the CCS. The CCS has two main functions: to carry out
> instructions from the ground to operate the spacecraft, and to be alert for a
> problem or malfunction and respond to it. Two identical 4096- word memories
> contain both fixed routines (about 2800 words) and a variable section (about
> 1290 words) for changing science sequences. The CCS issues commands to the
> AACS for movement of the scan platform or spacecraft maneuvers; to the FDS for
> changes in instrument configurations or telemetry rates and to numerous other
> subsystems within the spacecraft for specific actions. Fault-protection
> algorithms are also stored in the CCS, occupying roughly 10 percent of the CCS
> memory.
>
> The main functions of the FDS are to collect data from, and controls the
> operations of, the scientific instruments; and to format engineering and
> science data for on-board storage and/or real-time transmission. The FDS also
> keeps the spacecraft "time" and provides frequency references to the
> instruments and other spacecraft subsystems.
>
> The Voyager spacecraft computers are interrupt driven computer, similar to
> processors used in general purpose computers with a few special instructions
> for increased efficiency. The programming is a form of assembly language.
>
> There is no clock chip, as such, in the spacecraft. The "clock" is really a
> counter, based on one of several electronically generated frequencies. These
> frequencies, based on a reference, generated by a very stable oscillator, are
> converted and fed to different locations in the spacecraft as synchronization
> signals, timers, counters, etc. The "clock" signal is part of the information
> telemetered to the ground and it is with ground software that we convert to
> day of year, time of day Greenwich Mean Time.
>
> Voyager was built in-house at JPL; the computers were manufactured by General
> Electric to JPL specifications.
>
>
>
>
> Gracias Andres, referencias invaluables .
> Edgar
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garduino
Si, excelente información e increible que con tan poco se haya hecho tanto.

Yo recuerdo (por motivos afectivos, porque fue en los primeros equipos que
trabajé) que gran parte de la misión Apollo fue comandada por Sistemas IBM
360, pero no tengo mucha más información.

Saludos.

2011/6/2 Edgar J. De Cleene <[hidden email]>

>
>
> Ahhh, mentira, me acordaba mal de los 1.7kb.  En realidad dice que son como
> 68kb (32K words).  Igual... que joda...
>
> *http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/faq.html
> *
>
> Question: What kind of computers are used on the Voyager spacecraft?
>
>
>
> Answer: There are three different computer types on the Voyager spacecraft
> and there are two of each kind. Total number of words among the six
> computers is about 32K.
>
> Computer Command System (CCS) - 18-bit word, interrupt type processors (2)
> with 4096 words each of plated wire, non-volatile memory.
>
> Flight Data System (FDS) - 16-bit word machine (2) with modular memories
> and 8198 words each
>
> Attitude and Articulation Control System (AACS) - 18-bit word machines (2)
> with 4096 words each.
>
> According to my calculations, that's a total of about 68KB, or small
> potatoes compared to today's microprocessors. We probably could perform all
> functions with one of today's boards and still have room for solid state
> data storage and much more fault detection software. We would still need a
> second unit for redundancy. Today's microprocessors are also much faster
> than the chips used on Voyager and a comparative system would use less
> electrical power. On the other hand, software might be more complicated as
> opposed to that used in an interrupt type system, but it would be much more
> capable and more flexible.
>
> Let's look closer at the CCS. The CCS has two main functions: to carry out
> instructions from the ground to operate the spacecraft, and to be alert for
> a problem or malfunction and respond to it. Two identical 4096- word
> memories contain both fixed routines (about 2800 words) and a variable
> section (about 1290 words) for changing science sequences. The CCS issues
> commands to the AACS for movement of the scan platform or spacecraft
> maneuvers; to the FDS for changes in instrument configurations or telemetry
> rates and to numerous other subsystems within the spacecraft for specific
> actions. Fault-protection algorithms are also stored in the CCS, occupying
> roughly 10 percent of the CCS memory.
>
> The main functions of the FDS are to collect data from, and controls the
> operations of, the scientific instruments; and to format engineering and
> science data for on-board storage and/or real-time transmission. The FDS
> also keeps the spacecraft "time" and provides frequency references to the
> instruments and other spacecraft subsystems.
>
> The Voyager spacecraft computers are interrupt driven computer, similar to
> processors used in general purpose computers with a few special instructions
> for increased efficiency. The programming is a form of assembly language.
>
> There is no clock chip, as such, in the spacecraft. The "clock" is really a
> counter, based on one of several electronically generated frequencies. These
> frequencies, based on a reference, generated by a very stable oscillator,
> are converted and fed to different locations in the spacecraft as
> synchronization signals, timers, counters, etc. The "clock" signal is part
> of the information telemetered to the ground and it is with ground software
> that we convert to day of year, time of day Greenwich Mean Time.
>
> Voyager was built in-house at JPL; the computers were manufactured by
> General Electric to JPL specifications.
>
>
>
>
> Gracias Andres, referencias invaluables .
> Edgar
>
>  
>