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Underscore in 3.9

Ramiro Diaz Trepat
Hello everyone,
    I started using the latest 3.9 image and there are no := there :)
Only underscores.
    Even when I write := it turns into _ when I save.
    I am sure there is a very silly option out there to deactivate
this behaviour.  Anyone can tell me?
    Thanks


    r.
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Re: Underscore in 3.9

Klaus D. Witzel
Hi Ramiro,

on Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:30:23 +0200, you wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>     I started using the latest 3.9 image and there are no := there :)
> Only underscores.
>     Even when I write := it turns into _ when I save.
>     I am sure there is a very silly option out there to deactivate
> this behaviour.  Anyone can tell me?
>     Thanks

Open Preference Browser and in the searchbox type  
syntaxHighlightingAsYouType.

This will show up three underscore and := related preferences.

Unfortuntely the initial preferences in the stock 3.9 image are as you  
desribed.

Have a look at the developer's image, there this (and other preferences)  
are pre-set for meeting the expectations of developers, the image also  
comes with cool tools pre-loaded

- http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st/seaside/pier

/Klaus

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Re: Re: Underscore in 3.9

Ramiro Diaz Trepat
Thank you Klaus.
Everything is fine now.
Probably that defaullt setting should be changed before the release,
shouldn't it?


On 10/24/06, Klaus D. Witzel <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Ramiro,
>
> on Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:30:23 +0200, you wrote:
>
> > Hello everyone,
> >     I started using the latest 3.9 image and there are no := there :)
> > Only underscores.
> >     Even when I write := it turns into _ when I save.
> >     I am sure there is a very silly option out there to deactivate
> > this behaviour.  Anyone can tell me?
> >     Thanks
>
> Open Preference Browser and in the searchbox type
> syntaxHighlightingAsYouType.
>
> This will show up three underscore and := related preferences.
>
> Unfortuntely the initial preferences in the stock 3.9 image are as you
> desribed.
>
> Have a look at the developer's image, there this (and other preferences)
> are pre-set for meeting the expectations of developers, the image also
> comes with cool tools pre-loaded
>
> - http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st/seaside/pier
>
> /Klaus
>
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Re: Underscore in 3.9

Klaus D. Witzel
Stef & Marcus,

would it be possible to change all syntaxHighlightingAsYouType*  
Preferences to values that do not cause confusion for beginners.

This was already done so for the Squeak-dev image.

Thank you very much in advance!

/Klaus

On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:38:29 +0200, Ramiro Diaz Trepat wrote:

> Thank you Klaus.
> Everything is fine now.
> Probably that defaullt setting should be changed before the release,
> shouldn't it?
>
>
> On 10/24/06, Klaus D. Witzel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi Ramiro,
>>
>> on Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:30:23 +0200, you wrote:
>>
>> > Hello everyone,
>> >     I started using the latest 3.9 image and there are no := there :)
>> > Only underscores.
>> >     Even when I write := it turns into _ when I save.
>> >     I am sure there is a very silly option out there to deactivate
>> > this behaviour.  Anyone can tell me?
>> >     Thanks
>>
>> Open Preference Browser and in the searchbox type
>> syntaxHighlightingAsYouType.
>>
>> This will show up three underscore and := related preferences.
>>
>> Unfortuntely the initial preferences in the stock 3.9 image are as you
>> desribed.
>>
>> Have a look at the developer's image, there this (and other preferences)
>> are pre-set for meeting the expectations of developers, the image also
>> comes with cool tools pre-loaded
>>
>> - http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st/seaside/pier
>>
>> /Klaus
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Beginners mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
>>


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Re: Underscore in 3.9

Andrew Tween
Hi,
The syntaxHighlightingAsYouType* Preferences relate to the Shout package, which
is NOT  part of the 3.9 release. As you say, the preference values have been
fixed in the squeak-dev image (which includes Shout), and are also fixed in the
latest squeaksource version of Shout.

Unfortunately, the SqueakMap version of Shout is not up-to-date, and has the old
(confusing) default preference values. I will soon update the SqueakMap release
with the latest from squeaksource, and then everything should be ok.

Cheers,
Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Klaus D. Witzel" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Cc: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: Underscore in 3.9


Stef & Marcus,

would it be possible to change all syntaxHighlightingAsYouType*
Preferences to values that do not cause confusion for beginners.

This was already done so for the Squeak-dev image.

Thank you very much in advance!

/Klaus

On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:38:29 +0200, Ramiro Diaz Trepat wrote:

> Thank you Klaus.
> Everything is fine now.
> Probably that defaullt setting should be changed before the release,
> shouldn't it?
>
>
> On 10/24/06, Klaus D. Witzel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi Ramiro,
>>
>> on Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:30:23 +0200, you wrote:
>>
>> > Hello everyone,
>> >     I started using the latest 3.9 image and there are no := there :)
>> > Only underscores.
>> >     Even when I write := it turns into _ when I save.
>> >     I am sure there is a very silly option out there to deactivate
>> > this behaviour.  Anyone can tell me?
>> >     Thanks
>>
>> Open Preference Browser and in the searchbox type
>> syntaxHighlightingAsYouType.
>>
>> This will show up three underscore and := related preferences.
>>
>> Unfortuntely the initial preferences in the stock 3.9 image are as you
>> desribed.
>>
>> Have a look at the developer's image, there this (and other preferences)
>> are pre-set for meeting the expectations of developers, the image also
>> comes with cool tools pre-loaded
>>
>> - http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st/seaside/pier
>>
>> /Klaus
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Beginners mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
>>




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Re: Underscore in 3.9

Klaus D. Witzel
Thank you Andy!

On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:36:30 +0200, Andrew Tween wrote:

> Hi,
> The syntaxHighlightingAsYouType* Preferences relate to the Shout  
> package, which
> is NOT  part of the 3.9 release. As you say, the preference values have  
> been
> fixed in the squeak-dev image (which includes Shout), and are also fixed  
> in the
> latest squeaksource version of Shout.
>
> Unfortunately, the SqueakMap version of Shout is not up-to-date, and has  
> the old
> (confusing) default preference values. I will soon update the SqueakMap  
> release
> with the latest from squeaksource, and then everything should be ok.
>
> Cheers,
> Andy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Klaus D. Witzel" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Cc: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 12:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Underscore in 3.9
>
>
> Stef & Marcus,
>
> would it be possible to change all syntaxHighlightingAsYouType*
> Preferences to values that do not cause confusion for beginners.
>
> This was already done so for the Squeak-dev image.
>
> Thank you very much in advance!
>
> /Klaus
>
> On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:38:29 +0200, Ramiro Diaz Trepat wrote:
>
>> Thank you Klaus.
>> Everything is fine now.
>> Probably that defaullt setting should be changed before the release,
>> shouldn't it?
>>
>>
>> On 10/24/06, Klaus D. Witzel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Hi Ramiro,
>>>
>>> on Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:30:23 +0200, you wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hello everyone,
>>> >     I started using the latest 3.9 image and there are no := there :)
>>> > Only underscores.
>>> >     Even when I write := it turns into _ when I save.
>>> >     I am sure there is a very silly option out there to deactivate
>>> > this behaviour.  Anyone can tell me?
>>> >     Thanks
>>>
>>> Open Preference Browser and in the searchbox type
>>> syntaxHighlightingAsYouType.
>>>
>>> This will show up three underscore and := related preferences.
>>>
>>> Unfortuntely the initial preferences in the stock 3.9 image are as you
>>> desribed.
>>>
>>> Have a look at the developer's image, there this (and other  
>>> preferences)
>>> are pre-set for meeting the expectations of developers, the image also
>>> comes with cool tools pre-loaded
>>>
>>> - http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st/seaside/pier
>>>
>>> /Klaus
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Beginners mailing list
>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
>>>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: Re: Underscore in 3.9

Marcus Denker
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On 24.10.2006, at 12:38, Ramiro Diaz Trepat wrote:

> Thank you Klaus.
> Everything is fine now.
> Probably that defaullt setting should be changed before the release,
> shouldn't it?
>

The image doesn't have that preference.. it's Shout. Shout used
to take a preference into account that turned put "ansi" pretty-printing
on (means, pretty printer does :=, not _). This preference does
not exist anymore, the pretty printer does := by default.

But somehow shout reacts to the non-existing prefence to turn on
the := conversion.

I thought that this was fixes in Shout... but seemingly not.

It's not an image level problem.

         Marcus

>
> On 10/24/06, Klaus D. Witzel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi Ramiro,
>>
>> on Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:30:23 +0200, you wrote:
>>
>> > Hello everyone,
>> >     I started using the latest 3.9 image and there are no :=  
>> there :)
>> > Only underscores.
>> >     Even when I write := it turns into _ when I save.
>> >     I am sure there is a very silly option out there to deactivate
>> > this behaviour.  Anyone can tell me?
>> >     Thanks
>>
>> Open Preference Browser and in the searchbox type
>> syntaxHighlightingAsYouType.
>>
>> This will show up three underscore and := related preferences.
>>
>> Unfortuntely the initial preferences in the stock 3.9 image are as  
>> you
>> desribed.
>>
>> Have a look at the developer's image, there this (and other  
>> preferences)
>> are pre-set for meeting the expectations of developers, the image  
>> also
>> comes with cool tools pre-loaded
>>
>> - http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st/seaside/pier
>>
>> /Klaus
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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