What else is different in the new site? (was: Website change, Squeek by Example Game?)

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>> From: Abuzar <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: [Newbies] Re: Website change, Squeek by Example Game?
>> Date: 21. März 2014 14:20:26 MEZ
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Reply-To: "A friendly place to get answers to even the most basic questions about Squeak." <[hidden email]>
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>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm still looking for that specific tutorial, and a recommendation on
>> whether it's obsolete or other advice.  A response would be
>> appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Abuzar
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 7:04 PM, Abuzar <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I was going through a squeek-by-example tutorial.  Not the .pdf book.
>>> It was a simple game tutorial on the Documentation page.  After the
>>> website changeover, it has seemingly disappeared.  Is it now obsolete?
>>> or no longer recommended?
>>>
>>> I'm also noticing that Squeak 4.5 is rolling out.  Is this a big
>>> change?  Should I hold off going through tutorials until they're
>>> updated?
>>>
>>> Abuzar
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:squeak-
> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Chris Muller
> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 11:32 AM
> To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list; Squeak Web Team list
> Subject: [squeak-dev] What else is different in the new site? (was: Website
> change, Squeek by Example Game?)
>
> You know, I just noticed that the new site does not have "What's New"
> section.
>
> What else did the old site have that new site doesn't?  It's hard to tell,
> because, unfortunately after having a digital presence on the web for over a
> decade, someone arbitrarily took the site down without warning or
> discussion.
>
> Now, the new site is running from the same persons personal directory on
> box3, and he has excluded even READ permission to the directory for all but
> himself.
>
> I was pretty much over my soreness about this until I just now saw Abuzar
> couldn't finish the tutorial.  Chris C., thanks again for taking the website ball
> and running with it.  Could you please loosen your grip a bit and help us
> _transition_ to your new site more gradually by putting the old site back up
> and running on box2?  For professionalism, not sentimentality.  See if you
> can generate a positive feedback loop in the community toward our web-
> presence, with you as the conduit for instrumenting the changes (and/or a
> way to delegate to others who can have access to do it).
>
> Thank you!
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Tobias Pape <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Can we help abuzar?
> >
> >
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> >> From: Abuzar <[hidden email]>
> >> Subject: [Newbies] Re: Website change, Squeek by Example Game?
> >> Date: 21. März 2014 14:20:26 MEZ
> >> To: [hidden email]
> >> Reply-To: "A friendly place to get answers to even the most basic
> >> questions about Squeak." <[hidden email]>
> >> Delivered-To: [hidden email]
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I'm still looking for that specific tutorial, and a recommendation on
> >> whether it's obsolete or other advice.  A response would be
> >> appreciated.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Abuzar
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 7:04 PM, Abuzar <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> I was going through a squeek-by-example tutorial.  Not the .pdf book.
> >>> It was a simple game tutorial on the Documentation page.  After the
> >>> website changeover, it has seemingly disappeared.  Is it now obsolete?
> >>> or no longer recommended?
> >>>
> >>> I'm also noticing that Squeak 4.5 is rolling out.  Is this a big
> >>> change?  Should I hold off going through tutorials until they're
> >>> updated?
> >>>
> >>> Abuzar
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Beginners mailing list
> >> [hidden email]
> >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

>
> Now, the new site is running from the same persons personal directory
> on box3, and he has excluded even READ permission to the directory for
> all but himself.
>
> I was pretty much over my soreness about this until I just now saw
> Abuzar couldn't finish the tutorial.  Chris C., thanks again for
> taking the website ball and running with it.  Could you please loosen
> your grip a bit and help us _transition_ to your new site more
> gradually by putting the old site back up and running on box2?  For
> professionalism, not sentimentality.  See if you can generate a
> positive feedback loop in the community toward our web-presence, with
> you as the conduit for instrumenting the changes (and/or a way to
> delegate to others who can have access to do it).
>
> Thank you!
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Tobias Pape <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Can we help abuzar?
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>> From: Abuzar <[hidden email]>
>>> Subject: [Newbies] Re: Website change, Squeek by Example Game?
>>> Date: 21. März 2014 14:20:26 MEZ
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Reply-To: "A friendly place to get answers to even the most basic
>>> questions about Squeak." <[hidden email]>
>>> Delivered-To: [hidden email]
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm still looking for that specific tutorial, and a recommendation on
>>> whether it's obsolete or other advice.  A response would be
>>> appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Abuzar
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 7:04 PM, Abuzar <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I was going through a squeek-by-example tutorial.  Not the .pdf book.
>>>> It was a simple game tutorial on the Documentation page.  After the
>>>> website changeover, it has seemingly disappeared.  Is it now obsolete?
>>>> or no longer recommended?
>>>>
>>>> I'm also noticing that Squeak 4.5 is rolling out.  Is this a big
>>>> change?  Should I hold off going through tutorials until they're
>>>> updated?
>>>>
>>>> Abuzar
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Beginners mailing list
>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

> On 3/21/14, Chris Muller <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> You know, I just noticed that the new site does not have "What's New"
>> section.
>>
>> What else did the old site have that new site doesn't?  It's hard to
>> tell, because, unfortunately after having a digital presence on the
>> web for over a decade, someone arbitrarily took the site down without
>> warning or discussion.
>
> not arbitrary, because there was quite a lot of discussion on and off
> about the new design during the last 12...18 months.
>
> The new site was shown as a test version as well. And people liked it.

> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 3:40 PM, H. Hirzel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On 3/21/14, Chris Muller <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> You know, I just noticed that the new site does not have "What's New"
>>> section.
>>>
>>> What else did the old site have that new site doesn't?  It's hard to
>>> tell, because, unfortunately after having a digital presence on the
>>> web for over a decade, someone arbitrarily took the site down without
>>> warning or discussion.
>>
>> not arbitrary, because there was quite a lot of discussion on and off
>> about the new design during the last 12...18 months.
>>
>> The new site was shown as a test version as well. And people liked it.
>
> Hi Hannes, let me reiterate my compliments about the new site.
>
> But I am not talking about the new site.  I am talking about the OLD
> site, which belongs to the squeak.org community.
>
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