Hi all, one of my workmates (who is a Smalltalk veteran) just asked me
how to run a Spur image I had given him. That this question needs to be asked by someone like him should tell us something about our current VM accessibility, but the fact I was unable to give him a straight answer, even moreso. Shouldn't it be obvious enough even for newbies, but there are so many plausible answers to this question which are simply incorrect: - squeakvm.org is only for old interpreter VM; totally misleading to a newbie. - It *does* have a reference to the "Unofficial and experimental "Cog" virtual machines" which leads new users to: http://www.mirandabanda.org/files/Cog/VM/ whereupon we have "lattest" and "stable". Great! - Not great, because those are actually old too. So squeakvm.org is just a wild-goose chase, ha ha sorry newbie.. :( - Sigh, okay, so what about squeak.org --> Downloads? Surely there's a recent VM there? Well, selecting the Linux (x86) link lets me download Squeak5.1-16548-32bit-201608171728-Linux.zip. However, this file organizes the VM in a totally non-standard way (everything under /bin, no /lib directory), so I didn't want to point him to that one, because we have existing scripts which assume the legacy organization and I don't want to wrestle with installation / configuration issues. - SO, I was about to let him him in on the github whipper-snapper secret that only a few, In-The-Know Squeak Elites know about, myself, learned only a couple of days ago! https://bintray.com/opensmalltalk/vm/cog/#files but its this massive jumbled list of a hundred or more tar files. I can sort them by name, and *I* can find the right VM tarball for myself, but how to tell someone else? Searching that web page for "linux32x86_squeak.cog.spur" will find just 12, from which I can select one of the many generated all in the same day? So is there still a "stable" version? Whew! So, 1) what is the best answer for my workmate, and 2) how can we make this easier? Thanks. |
> 1) what is the best answer for my workmate, and
> 2) how can we make this easier? 3) which files at https://bintray.com/opensmalltalk/vm/cog/#files are the "HT" versions of the VM, and which are the non-HT? |
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On Tue, 6 Sep 2016, Chris Muller wrote:
> Hi all, one of my workmates (who is a Smalltalk veteran) just asked me > how to run a Spur image I had given him. That this question needs to > be asked by someone like him should tell us something about our > current VM accessibility, but the fact I was unable to give him a > straight answer, even moreso. > > Shouldn't it be obvious enough even for newbies, but there are so many > plausible answers to this question which are simply incorrect: > > - squeakvm.org is only for old interpreter VM; totally misleading > to a newbie. > > - It *does* have a reference to the "Unofficial and experimental > "Cog" virtual machines" which leads new users to: > > http://www.mirandabanda.org/files/Cog/VM/ > > whereupon we have "lattest" and "stable". Great! > > - Not great, because those are actually old too. So squeakvm.org > is just a wild-goose chase, ha ha sorry newbie.. :( > > - Sigh, okay, so what about squeak.org --> Downloads? Surely > there's a recent VM there? > > Well, selecting the Linux (x86) link lets me download > Squeak5.1-16548-32bit-201608171728-Linux.zip. However, this file > organizes the VM in a totally non-standard way (everything under /bin, > no /lib directory), so I didn't want to point him to that one, because > we have existing scripts which assume the legacy organization and I > don't want to wrestle with installation / configuration issues. > > - SO, I was about to let him him in on the github whipper-snapper > secret that only a few, In-The-Know Squeak Elites know about, myself, > learned only a couple of days ago! > > https://bintray.com/opensmalltalk/vm/cog/#files > > but its this massive jumbled list of a hundred or more tar files. I > can sort them by name, and *I* can find the right VM tarball for > myself, but how to tell someone else? Searching that web page for > "linux32x86_squeak.cog.spur" will find just 12, from which I can > select one of the many generated all in the same day? So is there > still a "stable" version? > > Whew! So, > > 1) what is the best answer for my workmate, and http://squeak.org/downloads/ > 2) how can we make this easier? Perhaps a wizard-like thing on the website could help. Levente > > Thanks. > > |
In reply to this post by Chris Muller-4
On Tue, 6 Sep 2016, Chris Muller wrote:
>> 1) what is the best answer for my workmate, and >> 2) how can we make this easier? > > 3) which files at https://bintray.com/opensmalltalk/vm/cog/#files are > the "HT" versions of the VM, and which are the non-HT? I don't think such versions are being built. Levente > > |
On Wed, 7 Sep 2016, Levente Uzonyi wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Sep 2016, Chris Muller wrote: > >>> 1) what is the best answer for my workmate, and >>> 2) how can we make this easier? >> >> 3) which files at https://bintray.com/opensmalltalk/vm/cog/#files are >> the "HT" versions of the VM, and which are the non-HT? > > I don't think such versions are being built. I mean all those VMs are HT. It's a bit easier to browse the latest files only instead of all: https://bintray.com/opensmalltalk/vm/cog/201609061454#files Levente > > Levente > >> >> > > |
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