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Simon Guest-2

Where's the WatchMorph in 3.10?

Hi,

PDAMorph from SqueakMap loads fine in 3.9, but in 3.10 it fails,
because the WatchMorph has been removed from the image. Oh, in both
cases I mean the squeak-dev images.

Did it go to SqueakMap, or was it simply discarded? Can I get it back
from somewhere?

cheers,
Simon

Edgar J. De Cleene

Re: Where's the WatchMorph in 3.10?

El 10/4/07 12:07 PM, "Simon Guest" <[hidden email]> escribió:

> Hi,
>
> PDAMorph from SqueakMap loads fine in 3.9, but in 3.10 it fails,
> because the WatchMorph has been removed from the image. Oh, in both
> cases I mean the squeak-dev images.
>
> Did it go to SqueakMap, or was it simply discarded? Can I get it back
> from somewhere?
>
> cheers,
> Simon

Open MonticelloBrowser.
Select 'http://source.squeakfoundation.org/310' repository
And load
Morphic-CandidatesForGo-edc.3

If PDAMorph is useful, we should package in Monticello form and put on
SqueakSource

Edgar.

Herbert König

Re: Where's the WatchMorph in 3.10?

In reply to this post by Simon Guest-2

Hello Simon,

> Can I get it back from somewhere?
file it out in an older image and file it in in 3.10.

Doing so might uncover other dependencies.

This is why I prefer a "full image" over a "dev image".

I don't mind to load my favourite dev-tools into my working image but
keeping track of all the small things I use is hard. Especially if I
don't use them yet :-))

Cheers

Herbert mailto:[hidden email]

Herbert König

Re: Where's the WatchMorph in 3.10?

In reply to this post by Edgar J. De Cleene

Hello Edgar,

EJDC> If PDAMorph is useful, we should package in Monticello form and put on
EJDC> SqueakSource
I do often use the MonthMorph from this package.

Is there an alternative (a PluggableDatePicker :-)?

Cheers

Herbert mailto:[hidden email]

Brad Fuller-2

Re: Where's the WatchMorph in 3.10?

In reply to this post by Simon Guest-2

Simon Guest wrote:

I put WatchMorph on squeaksource a while back.

http://www.squeaksource.com/WatchMorph.html

Dan Ingalls

[OT] An artifact of possible interest...

In reply to this post by Edgar J. De Cleene

Folks -

As many of you know, I and a couple of friends at Sun have been
playing around with JavaScript, and we've finally figured out out how
to have fun with a browser.

You can find out all about it at...

http://research.sun.com/projects/lively/

...and if you have a very recent build of Safari (preferably Webkit
nightly builds) or FireFox (preferably latest Gran Paradiso build),
then you can probably have fun with it too!

It's not at all polished, but it should look strangely familiar ;-)

Enjoy
- Dan

Brad Fuller-3

Re: [OT] An artifact of possible interest...

This is great, Dan. Thanks for placing the Squeak reference and the
links in the intro. I messed around with the Live Kernel on Firefox
2.0.0.7. ran rather slow on my 1.8MHz computer. And, it seemed objects
(like Asteroids and the morphic dialog demo) were tucked underneath - it
seemed that the World was too small to show all the objects. When I
maximized the browser to full, I saw the additional stock charts down below.
I can't wait to dig into it to see what I can do with it and especially
see what others more skilled than I can do. With all the morphic
experience here, some neat apps might appear quickly.

thanks for the hard work!

brad

> Folks -
>
> As many of you know, I and a couple of friends at Sun have been
> playing around with JavaScript, and we've finally figured out out how
> to have fun with a browser.
>
> You can find out all about it at...
>
> http://research.sun.com/projects/lively/
>
> ...and if you have a very recent build of Safari (preferably Webkit
> nightly builds) or FireFox (preferably latest Gran Paradiso build),
> then you can probably have fun with it too!
>
> It's not at all polished, but it should look strangely familiar ;-)
>
> Enjoy
> - Dan

Brad Fuller-2

Re: [OT] An artifact of possible interest...

In reply to this post by Dan Ingalls

Bert Freudenberg

Re: [OT] An artifact of possible interest...

In reply to this post by Dan Ingalls

On Oct 5, 2007, at 5:19 , Dan Ingalls wrote:

> Folks -
>
> As many of you know, I and a couple of friends at Sun have been
> playing around with JavaScript, and we've finally figured out out
> how to have fun with a browser.
>
> You can find out all about it at...
>
> http://research.sun.com/projects/lively/
>
> ...and if you have a very recent build of Safari (preferably Webkit
> nightly builds) or FireFox (preferably latest Gran Paradiso build),
> then you can probably have fun with it too!
>
> It's not at all polished, but it should look strangely familiar ;-)

Strangely familiar indeed. Congrats, Dan!

- Bert -

Steven Elkins

Re: Where's the WatchMorph in 3.10?

In reply to this post by Simon Guest-2

On 10/4/07, Simon Guest <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> PDAMorph from SqueakMap loads fine in 3.9, but in 3.10 it fails,
> because the WatchMorph has been removed from the image. Oh, in both
> cases I mean the squeak-dev images.
>
> Did it go to SqueakMap, or was it simply discarded? Can I get it back
> from somewhere?

By now you should be able to get WatchMorph. Ages ago I removed it
from PDAMorph because every OS I run provides at least one clock
gizmo. I can probably dig up a copy of it if you want it.

Steve

--
How wonderful it is that nobody need wait a single moment
before starting to improve the world. -- Anne Frank
Paradise is exactly where you are
right now...only much, much better. -- Laurie Anderson

pwl

Re: [OT] An artifact of possible interest...

In reply to this post by Dan Ingalls

Dan Ingalls wrote:

Hi Dan,

Looks like you guys are up to amazing work.

Keep it up.

Cheers,

Peter

Bert Freudenberg

Re: Where's the WatchMorph in 3.10?

In reply to this post by Steven Elkins

On Oct 5, 2007, at 11:05 , Steven Elkins wrote:

> On 10/4/07, Simon Guest <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> PDAMorph from SqueakMap loads fine in 3.9, but in 3.10 it fails,
>> because the WatchMorph has been removed from the image. Oh, in both
>> cases I mean the squeak-dev images.
>>
>> Did it go to SqueakMap, or was it simply discarded? Can I get it
>> back
>> from somewhere?
>
> By now you should be able to get WatchMorph. Ages ago I removed it
> from PDAMorph because every OS I run provides at least one clock
> gizmo.

That's a strange reason given that Squeak aspires to not needing an OS.

Even the Javascript Morphic has a WatchMorph ...

- Bert -

stephane ducasse

Re: [OT] An artifact of possible interest...

In reply to this post by Dan Ingalls

Hi dan

Do you have some news about SqueakOnJava license?
You told me to push you so I do :)

Stef

On 5 oct. 07, at 05:19, Dan Ingalls wrote:

Michael Davies-2

Re: [OT] An artifact of possible interest...

In reply to this post by pwl

Avi has posted this to reddit, where it's proving quite popular.

http://programming.reddit.com/info/2wrkp/comments

Steven Elkins

Re: Where's the WatchMorph in 3.10?

In reply to this post by Bert Freudenberg

On 10/5/07, Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> On Oct 5, 2007, at 11:05 , Steven Elkins wrote:
>
> > On 10/4/07, Simon Guest <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> PDAMorph from SqueakMap loads fine in 3.9, but in 3.10 it fails,
> >> because the WatchMorph has been removed from the image. Oh, in both
> >> cases I mean the squeak-dev images.
> >>
> >> Did it go to SqueakMap, or was it simply discarded? Can I get it
> >> back
> >> from somewhere?
> >
> > By now you should be able to get WatchMorph. Ages ago I removed it
> > from PDAMorph because every OS I run provides at least one clock
> > gizmo.
>
> That's a strange reason given that Squeak aspires to not needing an OS.

I only removed it from PDAMorph, not from my images!

Cheers,
Steve

--
How wonderful it is that nobody need wait a single moment
before starting to improve the world. -- Anne Frank
Paradise is exactly where you are
right now...only much, much better. -- Laurie Anderson

Klaus D. Witzel

Re: [OT] An artifact of possible interest...

In reply to this post by Dan Ingalls

Thank you Dan for making Lively available!

Cool, even with curly braces in the Code Browser's source text pane ;-)

The tool set looks really impressive & complete (incl. "save as" back to
the server :) is there anything that can be said about how code/changes
are maintained?

/Klaus

On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 05:19:44 +0200, Dan Ingalls wrote:

> Folks -
>
> As many of you know, I and a couple of friends at Sun have been playing
> around with JavaScript, and we've finally figured out out how to have
> fun with a browser.
>
> You can find out all about it at...
>
> http://research.sun.com/projects/lively/
>
> ...and if you have a very recent build of Safari (preferably Webkit
> nightly builds) or FireFox (preferably latest Gran Paradiso build), then
> you can probably have fun with it too!
>
> It's not at all polished, but it should look strangely familiar ;-)
>
> Enjoy
> - Dan
>
>

Sebastian Sastre-2

RE: [OT] An artifact of possible interest...

In reply to this post by Dan Ingalls

What piece of software!

One way or another one returns to the origin.
Now... fortunately for the world you can't control yourself can't you?

cheers !!

Sebastian Sastre
PS: what interesting times we are living in

> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] En
> nombre de Dan Ingalls
> Enviado el: Viernes, 05 de Octubre de 2007 00:20
> Para: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
> Asunto: [OT] An artifact of possible interest...
>
> Folks -
>
> As many of you know, I and a couple of friends at Sun have
> been playing around with JavaScript, and we've finally
> figured out out how to have fun with a browser.
>
> You can find out all about it at...
>
> http://research.sun.com/projects/lively/
>
> ...and if you have a very recent build of Safari (preferably
> Webkit nightly builds) or FireFox (preferably latest Gran
> Paradiso build), then you can probably have fun with it too!
>
> It's not at all polished, but it should look strangely familiar ;-)
>
> Enjoy
> - Dan
>

Laurence Rozier

Re: [OT] An artifact of possible interest...

In reply to this post by Edgar J. De Cleene

This is great - thanks Dan!

On 10/4/07, Dan Ingalls <[hidden email]> wrote:

Folks -

As many of you know, I and a couple of friends at Sun have been
playing around with JavaScript, and we've finally figured out out how
to have fun with a browser.

You can find out all about it at...

http://research.sun.com/projects/lively/

...and if you have a very recent build of Safari (preferably Webkit
nightly builds) or FireFox (preferably latest Gran Paradiso build),
then you can probably have fun with it too!

It's not at all polished, but it should look strangely familiar ;-)

Enjoy
- Dan

giorgiof

Re: [OT] An artifact of possible interest...

In reply to this post by Edgar J. De Cleene

nice, Nice, NICE!

thanks a lot!

Giorgio

On 10/5/07, Dan Ingalls <[hidden email]> wrote:

Folks -

As many of you know, I and a couple of friends at Sun have been
playing around with JavaScript, and we've finally figured out out how
to have fun with a browser.

You can find out all about it at...

http://research.sun.com/projects/lively/

...and if you have a very recent build of Safari (preferably Webkit
nightly builds) or FireFox (preferably latest Gran Paradiso build),
then you can probably have fun with it too!

It's not at all polished, but it should look strangely familiar ;-)

Enjoy
- Dan

Chris Muller-3

Re: [OT] An artifact of possible interest...

In reply to this post by Edgar J. De Cleene

This is exciting news, and long overdue for the web (since it appears
there is no will to solve the "installation and upgrade hassles", so
let's jam everything from now until the end of time through the web
browser).

Dan how similar is the new Lively/Javascript Morphic to Squeak's
Morphic? I'm interested in knowing how much portability to expect.
Also, will Lively/Javascript provide a similar base of useful Morphs
like.. TextMorph.

On 10/4/07, Dan Ingalls <[hidden email]> wrote: