Wouldn't it be better for the board to have its own mailing list?

Wouldn't it be better for the board to have its own
mailing list?

a delayed response to:
the <Towards 3.9.1 . Away from What?> thread.

Hi all,


Wouldn't it be better for the board to have its own
mailing list for collecting agenda items?
 
Rather than rely on squeakpeople for communication.

Squeakpeople is a poor mechanism for communication.
The difficulty in using it is reflected by its sparse
use.

I had looked at the messages on squeak people breifly.
Decided the agenda post was too out of date to be
relied on and fell back on posting to squeak-dev where
most of the attention is given.

Personally I find it deficient even in the most basic
of things.  Users can not even update their own
password.

It's unique function is validating apprentices,
journeyers and masters. And that is only exciting
around election time.

A board mailing list might provide a better mechanism.

Yours in curiosity and service, --Jerome Peace


*** vacuum
>> > around an this issue. So I have brought it up
here.
>>
>>      You should also bring it up as a board meeting
agenda item[1], so
>> we can do something about your disappointment.
>
>+1
>
>>
>>      Personally, I'm against people deciding on
their own to make http://people.squeakfoundation.org/article/64.html
>
>Craig:  This article is no longer even on the front
page.  Perhaps every
>3 months or so you could post a new call?  Maybe
including a quick
>summary of past discussed issues (since the last
call), or maybe just
>links to the posted Board meeting summaries.
>
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On Fri, 2007-05-25 at 20:04 -0700, Jerome Peace wrote:
> Wouldn't it be better for the board to have its own
> mailing list?

It does have it's own list:

[hidden email]

However, this is a private message board for internal discussion by the
board members, although anyone is certainly welcome to send requests and
comments to that address.

The agenda items though deserve public discussion.  Certainly discussion
can appear on this mailing list (squeak-dev) but it is often difficult
for the board then to go through such a discussion and identify the a
clear agenda.  In my opinion, appending a comment to the Squeak People
article

http://people.squeakfoundation.org/article/64.html

provides a compromise.  Discussion is possible there, but tends to be
much more on topic and organized than the spontaneous near-chaos of the
mailing list.

Ken

Hi Ken,

Thanks for your reply.

The .../article/64.html URL has all of 3 posts to it;
spanning less than a month in time and that month was
October 2006. This indicates something.

I don't need know exactly what is wrong. Something IS
wrong. Its not a place I would care to put something
that needs to be attended to.

If the board needs a private list for private
discussion, it also needs a public list for
discussions with the public. A place for the public to
post adgenda requests, And public discussions of
adgenda topics and other board related topics.  You
could do it on squeak-dev but as you say its a
haystack.

I look forward to seeing how you and the board resolve
this.

Yours in curiosity and service, -Jerome Peace


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Hi Jerome--

> The .../article/64.html URL has all of 3 posts to it;
> spanning less than a month in time and that month was
> October 2006. This indicates something.
>
> I don't need know exactly what is wrong. Something IS
> wrong. Its not a place I would care to put something
> that needs to be attended to.

     That's just silly. All it means is that people haven't been posting
agenda items there. I read that page before every board meeting, and
I've mentioned it here on squeak-dev repeatedly.

> If the board needs a private list for private
> discussion, it also needs a public list for
> discussions with the public. A place for the public to
> post adgenda requests...

     A mailing list would be horrible for that. A editable persistent
site is the right thing.

> ...And public discussions of adgenda topics and other board related
> topics.  You could do it on squeak-dev but as you say its a
> haystack.

     I don't think a board mailing list would be any better. And if you
think it's a haystack, just use a threaded reader. I recommend Mozilla
Thunderbird's newsreader connected to
news://news.gmane.org/comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.general. Note this is
not an invitation to have an endless discussion about mail and news
readers (if one ensues, I will simply kill the resulting thread with my
threaded reader :).

> I look forward to seeing how you and the board resolve
> this.

     Ken's not on the board, by the way (but I'm thankful for his
suggestions).


     thanks,

-C
(board member)

--
Craig Latta
improvisational musical informaticist
www.netjam.org
Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)]

Wouldn't it be better for the board to have its own
mailing list?

Hi Craig,

Thanks for your response.

This seems to be getting off on the wrong track.

It was important to point out the the current
mechanism wasn't being used.
IMO Some other mechanism needs to be tried. And one
that works needs eventually to be found.

Posting to this this thread has been educational and
illuminating.

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>Wouldn't it be better for the board to have its own
mailing list?
>
>Craig Latta craig at netjam.org
>Sun May 27 09:34:15 UTC 2007
>
>
>Hi Jerome--
>
>> The .../article/64.html URL has all of 3 posts to
it;
>> spanning less than a month in time and that month
was
>> October 2006. This indicates something.
>>
>> I don't need know exactly what is wrong. Something
IS
>> wrong. Its not a place I would care to put
something
>> that needs to be attended to.
>
>     That's just silly. All it means is that people
haven't been posting
>agenda items there. I read that page before every
board meeting, and
>I've mentioned it here on squeak-dev repeatedly.

I don't see why my reasoning is silly.  Its not tight
logical reasoning granted. But it is pattern based.

Assuming there are agenda items that the public wants
the board to consider.
No one is using the spot you have repeatedly told them
to use.
The pattern suggest there is something that causes
that spot to be avoided.  
You can say no one cares, but I would suspect
something else is at work.
>
>> If the board needs a private list for private
>> discussion, it also needs a public list for
>> discussions with the public. A place for the public
to
>> post agenda requests...
>
>     A mailing list would be horrible for that. A
editable persistent
>site is the right thing.

How do you know this?  I am not saying you are wrong.
But I will claim the proper answer has not been found.
And the experiments to find it have not been tried.
>
>> ...And public discussions of agenda topics and
other board related
>> topics.  You could do it on squeak-dev but as you
say its a
>> haystack.
>
>     I don't think a board mailing list would be any
better.

You may be right. I just wanted to point out a problem
with the current method.


>And if you think it's a haystack, just use a threaded
reader. I recommend Mozilla
>Thunderbird's newsreader connected to
news://news.gmane.org/comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.general.
Note this is
>not an invitation to have an endless discussion about
mail and news
>readers (if one ensues, I will simply kill the
resulting thread with my
>threaded reader :).

Even threads may wander off topic. In any event the
haystack analogy is a stretch and I'd rather withdraw
it than defend it. If you are suggesting that the
public discuss board issues on squeak-dev then I have
no complaint with that. I also don't mind if you find
a persistant forum for this kind of thing.  But the
proof that it works should be that it gets used.

>
>> I look forward to seeing how you and the board
resolve
>> this.
>
>     Ken's not on the board, by the way (but I'm
thankful for his
>suggestions).

Opps. Wishful thinking. (I have a high regard for Ken
and his contributions.)
>
Thanks again for your consideration.


Yours in curiosity and service, --Jerome Peace


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