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Göran Krampe

Re: Some subjective requirements for a radically optimistic "Code-Wiki" (was: Re: bugs on mantis: who assigns them ?)

Markus Gaelli <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> it as the base for his (do we have a she on Squeak-People with at
> >> least apprentice status?)

Yes: http://people.squeakfoundation.org/person/asparagi/

Regarding the real subject at hand - I have also been thinking in this
direction from time to time and I actually have an idea - but will write
it up ... this weekend. :)

regards, Göran

jayh

Re: The assignment character in 3.9 and onward

In reply to this post by Dan Corneanu

I know this thread is a bit stale now, but didn't see what the

likely conclusion of this issue is meant to be

I see that 3.9 (7055) displays underscores - I installed the Shout

package (to get syntax highlighting back) and see that there is

a preference for underscore vs :=. Is it the idea that the appearance

of the left arrow will eventually be built into the code editor, and for

the interim those who prefer left-arrow should use bear with the

underscore actually appearing in code?

Would like to vote that that the the elegance, and combined

millennia's worth of neural wiring among smalltalkers who've become

accustomed to the left-assignment key far outweighs the danger

of off-putting newbies.

If it's too difficult to work it into 3.9 for technical reasons, then no

complaints there (especially since I'm not volunteering to make it

happen) - just don't think that purported "confusion" is a good reason to

deny use of left-arrow as an option. I strongly disagree with the idea that

having Paragraph editor "magically" display one or the other is somehow

a bad thing. Just my $0.02.

Jay

On 6/7/06, Todd Blanchard <tblanchard@...> wrote:
>
> I would also suggest that the left arrow is off-putting to newbies. There's
> no obvious key for it, and it causes a lot of confusion for the user trying
> to figure out how to make one. So it ends up being a barrier to entry.
> Making ParagraphEditor "magically" replace things (or render them specially)
> isn't really better.

Even worse, the tranditional assignment operator looks an aweful lot
like the figure that is silk screened on my "Backspace" key (at least
on my keyboard). ;-)

> I think it's time to let this convention go - it's more trouble than its
> worth.

With that said, I really *love* the single left arrow for assignment.
I am saddened by the trend to eject it, but I understand it might not
be the best for the long run.

I guess I can get used to := instead, but it just feels so "programmery".

Regards,

John

--
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw

Bert Freudenberg

Re: The assignment character in 3.9 and onward

Jay Hardesty schrieb:

>
> I know this thread is a bit stale now, but didn't see what the
> likely conclusion of this issue is meant to be
>
> I see that 3.9 (7055) displays underscores - I installed the Shout
> package (to get syntax highlighting back) and see that there is
> a preference for underscore vs :=. Is it the idea that the appearance
> of the left arrow will eventually be built into the code editor, and for
> the interim those who prefer left-arrow should use bear with the
> underscore actually appearing in code?
>
> Would like to vote that that the the elegance, and combined
> millennia's worth of neural wiring among smalltalkers who've become
> accustomed to the left-assignment key far outweighs the danger
> of off-putting newbies.
>
> If it's too difficult to work it into 3.9 for technical reasons, then no
> complaints there (especially since I'm not volunteering to make it
> happen) - just don't think that purported "confusion" is a good reason to
> deny use of left-arrow as an option. I strongly disagree with the idea that
> having Paragraph editor "magically" display one or the other is somehow
> a bad thing. Just my $0.02.

The arrow glyph is still in the (strike-) fonts:

Character value: 16r8F

I guess one could make Shout display that instead of the underscore.

- Bert -

Zulq Alam-2

Re: The assignment character in 3.9 and onward

In reply to this post by jayh

Taking this a step further - anyone know how to configure a keyboard to
do this (shift + underscore key) in just one button press?

Better still, any keyboard makers reading this? Email me about my
ultimately configurable keyboard idea! Or don't. Suit yourself... ;o)

Jay Hardesty wrote:

> Would like to vote that that the the elegance, and combined
> millennia's worth of neural wiring among smalltalkers who've become
> accustomed to the left-assignment key far outweighs the danger
> of off-putting newbies.

Andreas.Raab

Re: The assignment character in 3.9 and onward

Zulq Alam wrote:
> Better still, any keyboard makers reading this? Email me about my
> ultimately configurable keyboard idea! Or don't. Suit yourself... ;o)

Try this one:

http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/

Each key is an lcd display ;-)

Cheers,
- Andreas

Zulq Alam-2

Re: The assignment character in 3.9 and onward

Andreas Raab wrote:

> Try this one:
>
> http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/
>
> Each key is an lcd display ;-)

Sweeeeet. I can't tell whether i can have a <- key that sends shift +
underscore when pressed - just seems you can map them to programs or
single buttons?

(My idea is a little more configurable, though yes, it did have keys
like kinda like this albeit less sweeeet)