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Hello, I am using the instructions here: marianopeck.wordpress.com - building-the-vm-from-scratch-using-git-and-cmakevmmaker to attempt to build the Cog VM on Windows, with git and CMake. I am running into a walkback:
called from:
First off, are these the correct latest instructions?
Second, where can I get a cs containing #fold:? Thanks, jj
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pay attention to use the 2.0 configuration since the blog is outdated if you want my version of the blog have a look at git hub pharo by example and look for the VM* chapters we are writing. On Jul 6, 2011, at 5:57 AM, JJ Stevens wrote: > Hello, > > I am using the instructions here: marianopeck.wordpress.com - building-the-vm-from-scratch-using-git-and-cmakevmmaker to attempt to build the Cog VM on Windows, with git and CMake. I am running into a walkback: > > MessageNotUnderstood: OrderedCollection>>fold: > > called from: > > Cogit class>>exportAPISelectors > > First off, are these the correct latest instructions? > > Second, where can I get a cs containing #fold:? > > Thanks, > jj |
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On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 5:57 AM, JJ Stevens <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hello. Good to see there are more people trying :)
This. This a known problem. If you follow my post STRICTLY you will notice I mention to download a pharocore image in particular: https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/28472/PharoCore-1.3-13137.zip I guess you are using an older version of Pharo, say 1.2, and you are missing such method. Still, if you want to use Pharo 1.2 in http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2011/04/23/how-to-debug-the-vm/ I explain under the title "Prepared image for you" how to work with a 1.2. Basically I provide a small changeset that add 3 needed missing methods (one is #fold:).
More or less. The instructions, that is, the general procedure is the same as today. However, my goal of such post was to make it completly reproducible even months after the post. So if you follow the instructions strictly you should be able to build the vm without much truble. Now....the same procedure should work with all latest code, that is, last version in gitorious and last version of ConfigurationOfCog. If I were you, I would first build the VM exactly as I say, and if you succeed then after try to reproduce the same but with latest code.
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com |
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Thanks Mariano, I got further along and ran cmake and make. Attached is the output of make with multiple errors. Do you have any ideas what's wrong? jj
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 3:25 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Mariano, i think we should mention somewhere, that an easiest way to get started is to download a prebuilt image from hudson and do not mess with all dependencies https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/view/Cog/job/Cog%20Git%20Tracker%20(blessed)/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/vmmaker-image.zip On 6 July 2011 09:25, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 5:57 AM, JJ Stevens <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> >> Hello, >> I am using the instructions here: marianopeck.wordpress.com - building-the-vm-from-scratch-using-git-and-cmakevmmaker to attempt to build the Cog VM on Windows, with git and CMake. > > Hello. Good to see there are more people trying :) > >> >> I am running into a walkback: >> >> MessageNotUnderstood: OrderedCollection>>fold: >> >> called from: >> >> Cogit class>>exportAPISelectors > > This. This a known problem. If you follow my post STRICTLY you will notice I mention to download a pharocore image in particular: https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/28472/PharoCore-1.3-13137.zip > > I guess you are using an older version of Pharo, say 1.2, and you are missing such method. Still, if you want to use Pharo 1.2 in http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2011/04/23/how-to-debug-the-vm/ I explain under the title "Prepared image for you" how to work with a 1.2. Basically I provide a small changeset that add 3 needed missing methods (one is #fold:). > > >> >> First off, are these the correct latest instructions? > > More or less. The instructions, that is, the general procedure is the same as today. However, my goal of such post was to make it completly reproducible even months after the post. So if you follow the instructions strictly you should be able to build the vm without much truble. Now....the same procedure should work with all latest code, that is, last version in gitorious and last version of ConfigurationOfCog. If I were you, I would first build the VM exactly as I say, and if you succeed then after try to reproduce the same but with latest code. > >> >> Second, where can I get a cs containing #fold:? >> Thanks, >> jj > > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig. |
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On 6 July 2011 11:37, JJ Stevens <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Thanks Mariano, I got further along and ran cmake and make. Attached is the output of make with multiple errors. Do you have any ideas what's wrong? > jj looks like you have missing dependencies, all standard libs which usually available, somehow didn't found by linker. I'm not sure what happens (i had never such errors on windows), but it looks like you have customized mingw installation and didn't installed those. So, either they are located at different path (so you have to tell linker where they are), or.. well i have no other ideas , why it fails. Please check CogFamilyWindowsConfig class comment (or Mariano's blog), have you followed same procedure? -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig. |
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On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote:
Yes, I know. I should mention that. It's true. But we have to be careful. The same way they can download a prebuild image, they can download a tarball with both image and sources. And then they can download a already build VM ;) So, seriously, yes, they can do that, but it would be good that people can really build from scratch :)
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On 6 July 2011 15:25, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> Mariano, i think we should mention somewhere, that an easiest way to >> get started is to download a prebuilt image >> from hudson and do not mess with all dependencies >> https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/view/Cog/job/Cog%20Git%20Tracker%20(blessed)/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/vmmaker-image.zip >> > > Yes, I know. I should mention that. It's true. But we have to be careful. The same way they can download a prebuild image, they can download a tarball with both image and sources. And then they can download a already build VM ;) > So, seriously, yes, they can do that, but it would be good that people can really build from scratch :) > Yes. Good point. After all, our effort was to make things completely reproducible. From scratch. > > >> >> On 6 July 2011 09:25, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 5:57 AM, JJ Stevens <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Hello, >> >> I am using the instructions here: marianopeck.wordpress.com - building-the-vm-from-scratch-using-git-and-cmakevmmaker to attempt to build the Cog VM on Windows, with git and CMake. >> > >> > Hello. Good to see there are more people trying :) >> > >> >> >> >> I am running into a walkback: >> >> >> >> MessageNotUnderstood: OrderedCollection>>fold: >> >> >> >> called from: >> >> >> >> Cogit class>>exportAPISelectors >> > >> > This. This a known problem. If you follow my post STRICTLY you will notice I mention to download a pharocore image in particular: https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/28472/PharoCore-1.3-13137.zip >> > >> > I guess you are using an older version of Pharo, say 1.2, and you are missing such method. Still, if you want to use Pharo 1.2 in http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2011/04/23/how-to-debug-the-vm/ I explain under the title "Prepared image for you" how to work with a 1.2. Basically I provide a small changeset that add 3 needed missing methods (one is #fold:). >> > >> > >> >> >> >> First off, are these the correct latest instructions? >> > >> > More or less. The instructions, that is, the general procedure is the same as today. However, my goal of such post was to make it completly reproducible even months after the post. So if you follow the instructions strictly you should be able to build the vm without much truble. Now....the same procedure should work with all latest code, that is, last version in gitorious and last version of ConfigurationOfCog. If I were you, I would first build the VM exactly as I say, and if you succeed then after try to reproduce the same but with latest code. >> > >> >> >> >> Second, where can I get a cs containing #fold:? >> >> Thanks, >> >> jj >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Mariano >> > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig. |
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El 06/07/2011, a las 10:29a.m., Igor Stasenko escribió: > > On 6 July 2011 15:25, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> Mariano, i think we should mention somewhere, that an easiest way to >>> get started is to download a prebuilt image >>> from hudson and do not mess with all dependencies >>> https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/view/Cog/job/Cog%20Git%20Tracker%20(blessed)/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/vmmaker-image.zip >>> >> >> Yes, I know. I should mention that. It's true. But we have to be careful. The same way they can download a prebuild image, they can download a tarball with both image and sources. And then they can download a already build VM ;) >> So, seriously, yes, they can do that, but it would be good that people can really build from scratch :) >> > > Yes. Good point. After all, our effort was to make things completely > reproducible. From scratch. +1 > >> >> >>> >>> On 6 July 2011 09:25, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 5:57 AM, JJ Stevens <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> I am using the instructions here: marianopeck.wordpress.com - building-the-vm-from-scratch-using-git-and-cmakevmmaker to attempt to build the Cog VM on Windows, with git and CMake. >>>> >>>> Hello. Good to see there are more people trying :) >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am running into a walkback: >>>>> >>>>> MessageNotUnderstood: OrderedCollection>>fold: >>>>> >>>>> called from: >>>>> >>>>> Cogit class>>exportAPISelectors >>>> >>>> This. This a known problem. If you follow my post STRICTLY you will notice I mention to download a pharocore image in particular: https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/28472/PharoCore-1.3-13137.zip >>>> >>>> I guess you are using an older version of Pharo, say 1.2, and you are missing such method. Still, if you want to use Pharo 1.2 in http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2011/04/23/how-to-debug-the-vm/ I explain under the title "Prepared image for you" how to work with a 1.2. Basically I provide a small changeset that add 3 needed missing methods (one is #fold:). >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> First off, are these the correct latest instructions? >>>> >>>> More or less. The instructions, that is, the general procedure is the same as today. However, my goal of such post was to make it completly reproducible even months after the post. So if you follow the instructions strictly you should be able to build the vm without much truble. Now....the same procedure should work with all latest code, that is, last version in gitorious and last version of ConfigurationOfCog. If I were you, I would first build the VM exactly as I say, and if you succeed then after try to reproduce the same but with latest code. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Second, where can I get a cs containing #fold:? >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> jj >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mariano >>>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >> >> >> >> -- >> Mariano >> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >> >> >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. |
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Hi. I am not an expert at all but it seems you are missing LOT of libraries. Maybe, mingw is not correctly configured because it is not one or 2 libraries that you don't find, but a lot. Did you add everything needed to $PATH from mingw? On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 11:37 AM, JJ Stevens <[hidden email]> wrote:
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This is a nightmare. It is as bad as installing unix with apt. Why can't I have one tarball or one installer exe for everything? Can't use msysGit, which I tried originally since I have about 18 months experience using it, since it only has the minimal binaries to compile git, not what is needed for Cog it seems.
Installing MSYS/MinGW is a complete disaster. It looks like there are a few problems MSYS install instructions (http://www.mingw.org/wiki/msys).
The first step talks about installing MinGW: If you haven't already installed MinGW on your system, install MinGW in C:\MinGW. It is better to not install it in the same directory than MSYS, though there should be no problem since MSYS 1.0.11. In the installer, choose "Download and install", then "Current" (it will install gcc 4.4.0).
Following the MinGW link takes me to the MinGW sourceforge site, click files, and which MinGW installer is there?? The only one I find is: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/files/Automated%20MinGW%20Installer/mingw-get-inst/mingw-get-inst-20110530/mingw-get-inst-20110530.exe/download. This does NOT have install options for "Download and install" and "Current". However, I get a MinGW directory with a bin with gcc and g++. Looks like this file was changed on 5/30/2011.
The second step looks good. The third step refers to a post-install process question that does not appear for me. The fourth step is golden, except the second step already provided an option to install the DTK.
The fifth step, install MSYS Core 1.0.11 has the wrong link. The correct link is: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/files/MSYS/BaseSystem/msys-core/msys-1.0.11/msysCORE-1.0.11-bin.tar.gz/download. Furthermore, it overwrites stuff from the second link and it has like 6 subsequent versions from 1.0.11.
Without installing step 5, I get the same results as with my original msysGit attempt, undefined references due to missing libraries. With step 5 I cannot even compile past the first plugin object compile: UUIDPlugin, because of a missing libgmp-10.dll. I tried to dig into CMake files to find a LIB reference, and got into the deep weeds.
Could someone who knows what they are doing try this all from scratch and update the instructions, please? There are just too many moving pieces and a tarball along the lines of 'Squeak-Win32-Tools-1.2.zip' would be a blessing.
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On 8 July 2011 06:26, JJ Stevens <[hidden email]> wrote: > > This is a nightmare. It is as bad as installing unix with apt. Why can't I have one tarball or one installer exe for everything? Can't use msysGit, which I tried originally since I have about 18 months experience using it, since it only has the minimal binaries to compile git, not what is needed for Cog it seems. > Installing MSYS/MinGW is a complete disaster. > It looks like there are a few problems MSYS install instructions (http://www.mingw.org/wiki/msys). > The first step talks about installing MinGW: > If you haven't already installed MinGW on your system, install MinGW in C:\MinGW. It is better to not install it in the same directory than MSYS, though there should be no problem since MSYS 1.0.11. In the installer, choose "Download and install", then "Current" (it will install gcc 4.4.0). > Following the MinGW link takes me to the MinGW sourceforge site, click files, and which MinGW installer is there?? The only one I find is: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/files/Automated%20MinGW%20Installer/mingw-get-inst/mingw-get-inst-20110530/mingw-get-inst-20110530.exe/download. This does NOT have install options for "Download and install" and "Current". However, I get a MinGW directory with a bin with gcc and g++. Looks like this file was changed on 5/30/2011. > The second step looks good. > The third step refers to a post-install process question that does not appear for me. > The fourth step is golden, except the second step already provided an option to install the DTK. > The fifth step, install MSYS Core 1.0.11 has the wrong link. The correct link is: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/files/MSYS/BaseSystem/msys-core/msys-1.0.11/msysCORE-1.0.11-bin.tar.gz/download. Furthermore, it overwrites stuff from the second link and it has like 6 subsequent versions from 1.0.11. > Without installing step 5, I get the same results as with my original msysGit attempt, undefined references due to missing libraries. With step 5 I cannot even compile past the first plugin object compile: UUIDPlugin, because of a missing libgmp-10.dll. I tried to dig into CMake files to find a LIB reference, and got into the deep weeds. > Could someone who knows what they are doing try this all from scratch and update the instructions, please? There are just too many moving pieces and a tarball along the lines of 'Squeak-Win32-Tools-1.2.zip' would be a blessing. > jj > http://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/files/Automated%20MinGW%20Installer/ for git i just followed what was on their wiki page http://code.google.com/p/msysgit/ and then added path to <where is git>/bin to the PATH variable. if you fail, i think it worth asking on msys mailing list, how to install it correctly, because its really confusing. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig. |
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On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 12:36 AM, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote:
I did this.
I did this. Problems reported in previous email. They changed the files on us. if you fail, i think it worth asking on msys mailing list, how to I do not even know what to ask them. The problem is with CMake files and missing references to system libs. Things like accept, listen, getsockopt, midi....
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On 11 July 2011 01:50, JJ Stevens <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 12:36 AM, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> Last time i installed it, i used automated installer: >> http://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/files/Automated%20MinGW%20Installer/ > > I did this. > >> >> for git i just followed what was on their wiki page >> http://code.google.com/p/msysgit/ >> and then added path to <where is git>/bin to the PATH variable. >> > I did this. Problems reported in previous email. They changed the files on us. > >> >> if you fail, i think it worth asking on msys mailing list, how to >> install it correctly, because its really confusing. >> > > I do not even know what to ask them. The problem is with CMake files and missing references to system libs. Things like accept, listen, getsockopt, midi.... > What is my solution for building Cog on windows? Current solution does not work. Look, this is not problem with Cog. Apparently its a problem with mingw, or you doing something wrong. I'd like to help, but tell me how? Because when i installed mingw stuff for windows few weeks ago and everything worked just well. > Thanks, > jj > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig. |
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Igor, I am reminded that about 8 years back building the Mac VM took about 20 steps. That I found was about 19 steps too long for an "average" user to follow. No disrespect to the folks attempt to build this, but when you have 20 steps then there is just too much chance for a human to fail or for the other third parties to throw cold water on you. Unfortunately solving this can take a while, I'm sure I struggled for a month or more refactoring the process into a more simple number of steps. So at each point ask youself what can go wrong, and why do I need to have something manual here? Should there just be a sole command to do it all? On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote: > > On 11 July 2011 01:50, JJ Stevens <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 12:36 AM, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> Last time i installed it, i used automated installer: >>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/files/Automated%20MinGW%20Installer/ >> >> I did this. >> >>> >>> for git i just followed what was on their wiki page >>> http://code.google.com/p/msysgit/ >>> and then added path to <where is git>/bin to the PATH variable. >>> >> I did this. Problems reported in previous email. They changed the files on us. >> >>> >>> if you fail, i think it worth asking on msys mailing list, how to >>> install it correctly, because its really confusing. >>> >> >> I do not even know what to ask them. The problem is with CMake files and missing references to system libs. Things like accept, listen, getsockopt, midi.... >> What is my solution for building Cog on windows? Current solution does not work. > > Look, this is not problem with Cog. Apparently its a problem with > mingw, or you doing something wrong. > > I'd like to help, but tell me how? Because when i installed mingw > stuff for windows few weeks ago and everything worked just well. > > >> Thanks, >> jj >> >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > -- =========================================================================== John M. McIntosh <[hidden email]> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com =========================================================================== |
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On 11 July 2011 03:25, John McIntosh <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Igor, I am reminded that about 8 years back building the Mac VM took > about 20 steps. That I found was about 19 steps too long for an > "average" user to follow. > No disrespect to the folks attempt to build this, but when you have 20 > steps then there is just too much chance for a human to fail or for > the other third parties to > throw cold water on you. > > Unfortunately solving this can take a while, I'm sure I struggled for > a month or more refactoring the process into a more simple number of > steps. > So at each point ask youself what can go wrong, and why do I need to > have something manual here? Should there just be a sole command to do > it all? > (http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2011/04/10/building-the-vm-from-scratch-using-git-and-cmakevmmaker/) And JJ Stevens refers to step 5.. so i really don't have any clue what he's doing. As for simplifying even more.. One could package everything in big fat archive and make it downloadable. But then it is not 'from scratch' , it will be 'from fat archive'. :) -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig. |
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On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote:
I am talking about the 5 sub-steps for installing the first step you list: MSYS jj |
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On 11 July 2011 04:17, JJ Stevens <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> On 11 July 2011 03:25, John McIntosh <[hidden email]> wrote: >> > >> > Igor, I am reminded that about 8 years back building the Mac VM took >> > about 20 steps. That I found was about 19 steps too long for an >> > "average" user to follow. >> > No disrespect to the folks attempt to build this, but when you have 20 >> > steps then there is just too much chance for a human to fail or for >> > the other third parties to >> > throw cold water on you. >> > >> > Unfortunately solving this can take a while, I'm sure I struggled for >> > a month or more refactoring the process into a more simple number of >> > steps. >> > So at each point ask youself what can go wrong, and why do I need to >> > have something manual here? Should there just be a sole command to do >> > it all? >> > >> Look, there are only 4 steps for installing mingw on windows >> (http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2011/04/10/building-the-vm-from-scratch-using-git-and-cmakevmmaker/) >> >> And JJ Stevens refers to step 5.. so i really don't have any clue what >> he's doing. >> > > I am talking about the 5 sub-steps for installing the first step you list: MSYS > http://www.mingw.org/wiki/msys > jj > but there are only 4 of them: 1 Download and install Msys, with C/C++ compiler support: http://www.mingw.org/wiki/msys 2 Download and install Git: http://code.google.com/p/msysgit/ During the installation, I choose the option “run git from from the windows command prompt”. Optional: add git to the PATH variable so that you can see git from msys. To do this, add path to git for msys: Control panel -> System -> System Properties / Advanced [ Environment Variables ]. There should be already: ‘C:\Program Files\Git\cmd’. Add ‘C:\Program Files\Git\bin’ Notice that the path may not be exactly ‘C:\Program Files\Git\’ but similar… 3 Install CMake: http://www.cmake.org/cmake/resources/software.html (during installation, in install options , make sure that you choose to add CMake to PATH). 4 To check if everything is installed, open MSYS program (which should look like a UNIX terminal) and try to execute the different commands: git, make and cmake. (actually 3 because 4 is for checking). -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig. |
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The first step: "1 Download and install Msys, with C/C++ compiler support: http://www.mingw.org/wiki/msys" lists the following in its link:
" Installing MSYSUp to MSYS 1.0.11, all components of MSYS were distributed in one single installer you downloaded and ran. While convenient, this made it difficult to update individual components. So, all the MSYS components are now available as separate downloads managed by mingw-get (currently alpha release). For convenience, you can follow the instructions below to install 1.0.11. Previous MSYS versions (up to 1.0.11)These instructions were based on the Enlightenment Wiki. Thanks to Vincent Torri for pointing them out. The total size of the installation of MSYS/MinGW is around 110 MB. Be sure to have enough space on your hard disk.
Check http://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/files/ for more recent versions of all these files.
c:/mingw /mingw c:/java /java
Now you should have a cyan "M" link on the Desktop. When you double-click on it, a terminal should be launched."
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote:
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I alos found this link but it doesn't work either: http://www.cccp-project.net/wiki/index.php?title=Installing_MSYS-MinGW
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 9:22 PM, JJ Stevens <[hidden email]> wrote: The first step: "1 Download and install Msys, with C/C++ compiler support: |
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