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looks cool to me. thanks doru. On May 22, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > Thanks a lot, that worked fine. > > So, I list below my settings. I use Helvetica Neue Condensed Bold for > menus and window title. Because I use it there, I also use Helvetica > Neue regular for the rest of the items, except for the code where I > use Monaco: > > menuFont := LogicalFont > familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' > pointSize: 9 > stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) > weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) > slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). > titleFont := LogicalFont > familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' > pointSize: 14 > stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) > weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) > slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). > codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 8. > defaultFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' pointSize: 9. > Preferences setSystemFontTo: defaultFont. > Preferences setListFontTo: defaultFont. > Preferences setFlapsFontTo: menuFont. > Preferences setHaloLabelFontTo: defaultFont. > Preferences setMenuFontTo: menuFont. > Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. > Preferences setBalloonHelpFontTo: defaultFont. > Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. > Preferences setButtonFontTo: defaultFont. > > > Cheers, > Doru > > > > On 22 May 2009, at 11:05, Andrew Tween wrote: > >> Hi >> >> >>> From: [hidden email] >>> To: [hidden email] >>> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:19:44 +0200 >>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] call for hypercool fonts configuration >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I would like to give my script, but I do not know how to specify >> in a >>> script that I want 'Helvetica Neue' - 'Condensed Bold'. Can anyone >> help? >> >> >> codeFont := LogicalFont >> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >> pointSize: 9 >> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >> >> Cheers, >> Andy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> >>> On 22 May 2009, at 09:56, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>> >>>> Hm, they look perfect on my machine. I just took a 10310 Pharo >> core >>>> and run the script I posted. >>>> >>>> Do you have the BitBlt plugin added to the VM? >>>> Are the DejaVu fonts blurry as well? Can you post a screenshot? >>>> >>>> Adrian >>>> >>>> On May 21, 2009, at 23:30 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >>>> >>>>> this is strange because I get a blurry result. >>>>> Should I have a specific package loaded: I tried with the >> 10309dev >>>>> and >>>>> the VM has the FT2plugin >>>>> >>>>> Stef >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Mac, I like the following "special" configuration with Lucida >>>>>> Grande and Monaco: >>>>>> >>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' pointSize: 10. >>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 9. >>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedAscent' put: 12. >>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedHeight' put: 15. >>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' >> pointSize: 10. >>>>>> >>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>> >>>>>> Note, I manually tweak the font description of Monaco to >> decrease >>>>>> the >>>>>> line height (don't know why it is that high by default). With >> the >>>>>> above, it looks more like in TextMate for example. >>>>>> >>>>>> Adrian >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:55 , Hilaire Fernandes wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, anythinks related to look'nd feel and overal design in >> Pharo >>>>>>> could help a lot to make people to LOVE Pharo or to RUN AWAY. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regarding fonts, I found myself sharing the point previously >>>>>>> expressed there: >>>>>>> -Dejavu Sans for all but code >>>>>>> -Code with Dedavu mono >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The issue about Freetype efficiency, related to submorph damage >>>>>>> code >>>>>>> related previsouly, is of equal importance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If the user experience is ungood -- slowness -- people will RUN >>>>>>> AWAY. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2009/5/21 Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>: >>>>>>>> Hi guys >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> on one hand we should have a good default for fonts - default >>>>>>>> means >>>>>>>> ok >>>>>>>> for license and >>>>>>>> work on platforms.... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now I would LOVE to get a list of cool combination of fonts >> even >>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>> they are proprietary. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So I hope that I woke the designer in you :) >>>>>>>> Send snippets in the following forms that we can impress >> girls :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans Mono' >> pointSize: >>>>>>>> 9. >>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Serif' >> pointSize: 11. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> [hidden email] >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>> project >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >> project >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> >>> "Every thing has its own flow." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> " Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. " Download >> Now_______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "No matter how many recipes we'll know, we'll still value a chef." > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Re: call for hypercool fonts configuration
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gaah, these fat menus and title fonts look awful to me! ;)
Adrian On May 22, 2009, at 12:48 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > :) > looks cool to me. thanks doru. > > <Picture 7.pdf><Picture 6.pdf> > On May 22, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > >> Thanks a lot, that worked fine. >> >> So, I list below my settings. I use Helvetica Neue Condensed Bold for >> menus and window title. Because I use it there, I also use Helvetica >> Neue regular for the rest of the items, except for the code where I >> use Monaco: >> >> menuFont := LogicalFont >> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >> pointSize: 9 >> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >> titleFont := LogicalFont >> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >> pointSize: 14 >> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 8. >> defaultFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' pointSize: 9. >> Preferences setSystemFontTo: defaultFont. >> Preferences setListFontTo: defaultFont. >> Preferences setFlapsFontTo: menuFont. >> Preferences setHaloLabelFontTo: defaultFont. >> Preferences setMenuFontTo: menuFont. >> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >> Preferences setBalloonHelpFontTo: defaultFont. >> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >> Preferences setButtonFontTo: defaultFont. >> >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> >> On 22 May 2009, at 11:05, Andrew Tween wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> >>>> From: [hidden email] >>>> To: [hidden email] >>>> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:19:44 +0200 >>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] call for hypercool fonts configuration >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I would like to give my script, but I do not know how to specify >>> in a >>>> script that I want 'Helvetica Neue' - 'Condensed Bold'. Can anyone >>> help? >>> >>> >>> codeFont := LogicalFont >>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>> pointSize: 9 >>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Andy >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> >>>> On 22 May 2009, at 09:56, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hm, they look perfect on my machine. I just took a 10310 Pharo >>> core >>>>> and run the script I posted. >>>>> >>>>> Do you have the BitBlt plugin added to the VM? >>>>> Are the DejaVu fonts blurry as well? Can you post a screenshot? >>>>> >>>>> Adrian >>>>> >>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 23:30 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> this is strange because I get a blurry result. >>>>>> Should I have a specific package loaded: I tried with the >>> 10309dev >>>>>> and >>>>>> the VM has the FT2plugin >>>>>> >>>>>> Stef >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mac, I like the following "special" configuration with Lucida >>>>>>> Grande and Monaco: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 9. >>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedAscent' put: 12. >>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedHeight' put: 15. >>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' >>> pointSize: 10. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Note, I manually tweak the font description of Monaco to >>> decrease >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> line height (don't know why it is that high by default). With >>> the >>>>>>> above, it looks more like in TextMate for example. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Adrian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:55 , Hilaire Fernandes wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, anythinks related to look'nd feel and overal design in >>> Pharo >>>>>>>> could help a lot to make people to LOVE Pharo or to RUN AWAY. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regarding fonts, I found myself sharing the point previously >>>>>>>> expressed there: >>>>>>>> -Dejavu Sans for all but code >>>>>>>> -Code with Dedavu mono >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The issue about Freetype efficiency, related to submorph damage >>>>>>>> code >>>>>>>> related previsouly, is of equal importance. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If the user experience is ungood -- slowness -- people will RUN >>>>>>>> AWAY. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2009/5/21 Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>: >>>>>>>>> Hi guys >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> on one hand we should have a good default for fonts - default >>>>>>>>> means >>>>>>>>> ok >>>>>>>>> for license and >>>>>>>>> work on platforms.... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now I would LOVE to get a list of cool combination of fonts >>> even >>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>> they are proprietary. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So I hope that I woke the designer in you :) >>>>>>>>> Send snippets in the following forms that we can impress >>> girls :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans Mono' >>> pointSize: >>>>>>>>> 9. >>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Serif' >>> pointSize: 11. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> [hidden email] >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>> project >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>> >>>> "Every thing has its own flow." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> " Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. " Download >>> Now_______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "No matter how many recipes we'll know, we'll still value a chef." >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
Re: call for hypercool fonts configuration
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My favourite font set is Liberation from RedHat. But this set have
license issue. |font codeFont tooltipFont| font := LogicalFont familyName: 'Liberation Sans' pointSize: 9. tooltipFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Liberation Sans' pointSize: 7. codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Liberation Mono' pointSize: 9. titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Liberation Sans' pointSize: 11. Preferences setListFontTo: font. Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. Preferences setBalloonHelpFontTo: tooltipFont. Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 15:20, Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]> wrote: > gaah, these fat menus and title fonts look awful to me! ;) > Adrian > > On May 22, 2009, at 12:48 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > >> :) >> looks cool to me. thanks doru. >> >> <Picture 7.pdf><Picture 6.pdf> >> On May 22, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: >> >>> Thanks a lot, that worked fine. >>> >>> So, I list below my settings. I use Helvetica Neue Condensed Bold for >>> menus and window title. Because I use it there, I also use Helvetica >>> Neue regular for the rest of the items, except for the code where I >>> use Monaco: >>> >>> menuFont := LogicalFont >>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>> pointSize: 9 >>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>> titleFont := LogicalFont >>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>> pointSize: 14 >>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 8. >>> defaultFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' pointSize: 9. >>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: defaultFont. >>> Preferences setListFontTo: defaultFont. >>> Preferences setFlapsFontTo: menuFont. >>> Preferences setHaloLabelFontTo: defaultFont. >>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: menuFont. >>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>> Preferences setBalloonHelpFontTo: defaultFont. >>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: defaultFont. >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> >>> >>> On 22 May 2009, at 11:05, Andrew Tween wrote: >>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: [hidden email] >>>>> To: [hidden email] >>>>> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:19:44 +0200 >>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] call for hypercool fonts configuration >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I would like to give my script, but I do not know how to specify >>>> in a >>>>> script that I want 'Helvetica Neue' - 'Condensed Bold'. Can anyone >>>> help? >>>> >>>> >>>> codeFont := LogicalFont >>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>> pointSize: 9 >>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Andy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Doru >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 22 May 2009, at 09:56, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hm, they look perfect on my machine. I just took a 10310 Pharo >>>> core >>>>>> and run the script I posted. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you have the BitBlt plugin added to the VM? >>>>>> Are the DejaVu fonts blurry as well? Can you post a screenshot? >>>>>> >>>>>> Adrian >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 23:30 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> this is strange because I get a blurry result. >>>>>>> Should I have a specific package loaded: I tried with the >>>> 10309dev >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> the VM has the FT2plugin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mac, I like the following "special" configuration with Lucida >>>>>>>> Grande and Monaco: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 9. >>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedAscent' put: 12. >>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedHeight' put: 15. >>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' >>>> pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Note, I manually tweak the font description of Monaco to >>>> decrease >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> line height (don't know why it is that high by default). With >>>> the >>>>>>>> above, it looks more like in TextMate for example. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Adrian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:55 , Hilaire Fernandes wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, anythinks related to look'nd feel and overal design in >>>> Pharo >>>>>>>>> could help a lot to make people to LOVE Pharo or to RUN AWAY. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regarding fonts, I found myself sharing the point previously >>>>>>>>> expressed there: >>>>>>>>> -Dejavu Sans for all but code >>>>>>>>> -Code with Dedavu mono >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The issue about Freetype efficiency, related to submorph damage >>>>>>>>> code >>>>>>>>> related previsouly, is of equal importance. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If the user experience is ungood -- slowness -- people will RUN >>>>>>>>> AWAY. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2009/5/21 Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>: >>>>>>>>>> Hi guys >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> on one hand we should have a good default for fonts - default >>>>>>>>>> means >>>>>>>>>> ok >>>>>>>>>> for license and >>>>>>>>>> work on platforms.... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now I would LOVE to get a list of cool combination of fonts >>>> even >>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>> they are proprietary. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So I hope that I woke the designer in you :) >>>>>>>>>> Send snippets in the following forms that we can impress >>>> girls :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans Mono' >>>> pointSize: >>>>>>>>>> 9. >>>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Serif' >>>> pointSize: 11. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>> project >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>>> >>>>> "Every thing has its own flow." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> [hidden email] >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>>> >>>> " Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. " Download >>>> Now_______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> >>> "No matter how many recipes we'll know, we'll still value a chef." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
Re: call for hypercool fonts configuration
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I love the condensed menu.
I think that the point is not to get one but several effective configurations that people could use when they do not care about license problem. Stef On May 22, 2009, at 1:20 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > gaah, these fat menus and title fonts look awful to me! ;) > Adrian > > On May 22, 2009, at 12:48 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > >> :) >> looks cool to me. thanks doru. >> >> <Picture 7.pdf><Picture 6.pdf> >> On May 22, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: >> >>> Thanks a lot, that worked fine. >>> >>> So, I list below my settings. I use Helvetica Neue Condensed Bold >>> for >>> menus and window title. Because I use it there, I also use Helvetica >>> Neue regular for the rest of the items, except for the code where I >>> use Monaco: >>> >>> menuFont := LogicalFont >>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>> pointSize: 9 >>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>> titleFont := LogicalFont >>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>> pointSize: 14 >>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 8. >>> defaultFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' pointSize: >>> 9. >>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: defaultFont. >>> Preferences setListFontTo: defaultFont. >>> Preferences setFlapsFontTo: menuFont. >>> Preferences setHaloLabelFontTo: defaultFont. >>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: menuFont. >>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>> Preferences setBalloonHelpFontTo: defaultFont. >>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: defaultFont. >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> >>> >>> On 22 May 2009, at 11:05, Andrew Tween wrote: >>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: [hidden email] >>>>> To: [hidden email] >>>>> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:19:44 +0200 >>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] call for hypercool fonts >>>>> configuration >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I would like to give my script, but I do not know how to specify >>>> in a >>>>> script that I want 'Helvetica Neue' - 'Condensed Bold'. Can anyone >>>> help? >>>> >>>> >>>> codeFont := LogicalFont >>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>> pointSize: 9 >>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Andy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Doru >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 22 May 2009, at 09:56, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hm, they look perfect on my machine. I just took a 10310 Pharo >>>> core >>>>>> and run the script I posted. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you have the BitBlt plugin added to the VM? >>>>>> Are the DejaVu fonts blurry as well? Can you post a screenshot? >>>>>> >>>>>> Adrian >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 23:30 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> this is strange because I get a blurry result. >>>>>>> Should I have a specific package loaded: I tried with the >>>> 10309dev >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> the VM has the FT2plugin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mac, I like the following "special" configuration with >>>>>>>> Lucida >>>>>>>> Grande and Monaco: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 9. >>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedAscent' put: 12. >>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedHeight' put: 15. >>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' >>>> pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Note, I manually tweak the font description of Monaco to >>>> decrease >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> line height (don't know why it is that high by default). With >>>> the >>>>>>>> above, it looks more like in TextMate for example. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Adrian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:55 , Hilaire Fernandes wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, anythinks related to look'nd feel and overal design in >>>> Pharo >>>>>>>>> could help a lot to make people to LOVE Pharo or to RUN AWAY. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regarding fonts, I found myself sharing the point previously >>>>>>>>> expressed there: >>>>>>>>> -Dejavu Sans for all but code >>>>>>>>> -Code with Dedavu mono >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The issue about Freetype efficiency, related to submorph >>>>>>>>> damage >>>>>>>>> code >>>>>>>>> related previsouly, is of equal importance. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If the user experience is ungood -- slowness -- people will >>>>>>>>> RUN >>>>>>>>> AWAY. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2009/5/21 Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>: >>>>>>>>>> Hi guys >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> on one hand we should have a good default for fonts - default >>>>>>>>>> means >>>>>>>>>> ok >>>>>>>>>> for license and >>>>>>>>>> work on platforms.... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now I would LOVE to get a list of cool combination of fonts >>>> even >>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>> they are proprietary. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So I hope that I woke the designer in you :) >>>>>>>>>> Send snippets in the following forms that we can impress >>>> girls :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans Mono' >>>> pointSize: >>>>>>>>>> 9. >>>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Serif' >>>> pointSize: 11. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>> project >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>>> >>>>> "Every thing has its own flow." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> [hidden email] >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>> project >>>> >>>> >>>> " Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. " Download >>>> Now_______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> >>> "No matter how many recipes we'll know, we'll still value a chef." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
Re: call for hypercool fonts configuration
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In reply to this post by Andrey Larionov
quite small :)
On May 22, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Andrey Larionov wrote: > My favourite font set is Liberation from RedHat. But this set have > license issue. > > |font codeFont tooltipFont| > font := LogicalFont familyName: 'Liberation Sans' pointSize: 9. > tooltipFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Liberation Sans' pointSize: 7. > codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Liberation Mono' pointSize: 9. > titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Liberation Sans' pointSize: 11. > Preferences setListFontTo: font. > Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. > Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. > Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. > Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. > Preferences setBalloonHelpFontTo: tooltipFont. > Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. > > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 15:20, Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]> > wrote: >> gaah, these fat menus and title fonts look awful to me! ;) >> Adrian >> >> On May 22, 2009, at 12:48 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> :) >>> looks cool to me. thanks doru. >>> >>> <Picture 7.pdf><Picture 6.pdf> >>> On May 22, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks a lot, that worked fine. >>>> >>>> So, I list below my settings. I use Helvetica Neue Condensed Bold >>>> for >>>> menus and window title. Because I use it there, I also use >>>> Helvetica >>>> Neue regular for the rest of the items, except for the code where I >>>> use Monaco: >>>> >>>> menuFont := LogicalFont >>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>> pointSize: 9 >>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>> titleFont := LogicalFont >>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>> pointSize: 14 >>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 8. >>>> defaultFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>> pointSize: 9. >>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: defaultFont. >>>> Preferences setListFontTo: defaultFont. >>>> Preferences setFlapsFontTo: menuFont. >>>> Preferences setHaloLabelFontTo: defaultFont. >>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: menuFont. >>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>> Preferences setBalloonHelpFontTo: defaultFont. >>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: defaultFont. >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 22 May 2009, at 11:05, Andrew Tween wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: [hidden email] >>>>>> To: [hidden email] >>>>>> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:19:44 +0200 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] call for hypercool fonts >>>>>> configuration >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I would like to give my script, but I do not know how to specify >>>>> in a >>>>>> script that I want 'Helvetica Neue' - 'Condensed Bold'. Can >>>>>> anyone >>>>> help? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont >>>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>>> pointSize: 9 >>>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Andy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Doru >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 22 May 2009, at 09:56, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hm, they look perfect on my machine. I just took a 10310 Pharo >>>>> core >>>>>>> and run the script I posted. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do you have the BitBlt plugin added to the VM? >>>>>>> Are the DejaVu fonts blurry as well? Can you post a screenshot? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Adrian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 23:30 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> this is strange because I get a blurry result. >>>>>>>> Should I have a specific package loaded: I tried with the >>>>> 10309dev >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> the VM has the FT2plugin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mac, I like the following "special" configuration with >>>>>>>>> Lucida >>>>>>>>> Grande and Monaco: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 9. >>>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedAscent' put: 12. >>>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedHeight' put: 15. >>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' >>>>> pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Note, I manually tweak the font description of Monaco to >>>>> decrease >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> line height (don't know why it is that high by default). With >>>>> the >>>>>>>>> above, it looks more like in TextMate for example. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Adrian >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:55 , Hilaire Fernandes wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, anythinks related to look'nd feel and overal design in >>>>> Pharo >>>>>>>>>> could help a lot to make people to LOVE Pharo or to RUN AWAY. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regarding fonts, I found myself sharing the point previously >>>>>>>>>> expressed there: >>>>>>>>>> -Dejavu Sans for all but code >>>>>>>>>> -Code with Dedavu mono >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The issue about Freetype efficiency, related to submorph >>>>>>>>>> damage >>>>>>>>>> code >>>>>>>>>> related previsouly, is of equal importance. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If the user experience is ungood -- slowness -- people will >>>>>>>>>> RUN >>>>>>>>>> AWAY. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2009/5/21 Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>: >>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> on one hand we should have a good default for fonts - >>>>>>>>>>> default >>>>>>>>>>> means >>>>>>>>>>> ok >>>>>>>>>>> for license and >>>>>>>>>>> work on platforms.... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Now I would LOVE to get a list of cool combination of fonts >>>>> even >>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>> they are proprietary. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So I hope that I woke the designer in you :) >>>>>>>>>>> Send snippets in the following forms that we can impress >>>>> girls :) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans Mono' >>>>> pointSize: >>>>>>>>>>> 9. >>>>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Serif' >>>>> pointSize: 11. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>> project >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>>>> >>>>>> "Every thing has its own flow." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> " Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. " Download >>>>> Now_______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> [hidden email] >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>> project >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>> >>>> "No matter how many recipes we'll know, we'll still value a chef." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
Re: call for hypercool fonts configuration
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A you tried it actualy or just say it looking on specified font sizes?
Liberation fonts is not small by nature so this sizes is very nice for my 1280x800. On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 16:08, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote: > quite small :) > > On May 22, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Andrey Larionov wrote: > >> My favourite font set is Liberation from RedHat. But this set have >> license issue. >> >> |font codeFont tooltipFont| >> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'Liberation Sans' pointSize: 9. >> tooltipFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Liberation Sans' pointSize: 7. >> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Liberation Mono' pointSize: 9. >> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Liberation Sans' pointSize: 11. >> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >> Preferences setBalloonHelpFontTo: tooltipFont. >> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >> >> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 15:20, Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]> >> wrote: >>> gaah, these fat menus and title fonts look awful to me! ;) >>> Adrian >>> >>> On May 22, 2009, at 12:48 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >>> >>>> :) >>>> looks cool to me. thanks doru. >>>> >>>> <Picture 7.pdf><Picture 6.pdf> >>>> On May 22, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks a lot, that worked fine. >>>>> >>>>> So, I list below my settings. I use Helvetica Neue Condensed Bold >>>>> for >>>>> menus and window title. Because I use it there, I also use >>>>> Helvetica >>>>> Neue regular for the rest of the items, except for the code where I >>>>> use Monaco: >>>>> >>>>> menuFont := LogicalFont >>>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>>> pointSize: 9 >>>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont >>>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>>> pointSize: 14 >>>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 8. >>>>> defaultFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>>> pointSize: 9. >>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: defaultFont. >>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: defaultFont. >>>>> Preferences setFlapsFontTo: menuFont. >>>>> Preferences setHaloLabelFontTo: defaultFont. >>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: menuFont. >>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>> Preferences setBalloonHelpFontTo: defaultFont. >>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: defaultFont. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Doru >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 22 May 2009, at 11:05, Andrew Tween wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> From: [hidden email] >>>>>>> To: [hidden email] >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:19:44 +0200 >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] call for hypercool fonts >>>>>>> configuration >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would like to give my script, but I do not know how to specify >>>>>> in a >>>>>>> script that I want 'Helvetica Neue' - 'Condensed Bold'. Can >>>>>>> anyone >>>>>> help? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont >>>>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>>>> pointSize: 9 >>>>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Andy >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Doru >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 22 May 2009, at 09:56, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hm, they look perfect on my machine. I just took a 10310 Pharo >>>>>> core >>>>>>>> and run the script I posted. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do you have the BitBlt plugin added to the VM? >>>>>>>> Are the DejaVu fonts blurry as well? Can you post a screenshot? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Adrian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 23:30 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> this is strange because I get a blurry result. >>>>>>>>> Should I have a specific package loaded: I tried with the >>>>>> 10309dev >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> the VM has the FT2plugin >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mac, I like the following "special" configuration with >>>>>>>>>> Lucida >>>>>>>>>> Grande and Monaco: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 9. >>>>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedAscent' put: 12. >>>>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedHeight' put: 15. >>>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' >>>>>> pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Note, I manually tweak the font description of Monaco to >>>>>> decrease >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> line height (don't know why it is that high by default). With >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> above, it looks more like in TextMate for example. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Adrian >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:55 , Hilaire Fernandes wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, anythinks related to look'nd feel and overal design in >>>>>> Pharo >>>>>>>>>>> could help a lot to make people to LOVE Pharo or to RUN AWAY. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regarding fonts, I found myself sharing the point previously >>>>>>>>>>> expressed there: >>>>>>>>>>> -Dejavu Sans for all but code >>>>>>>>>>> -Code with Dedavu mono >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The issue about Freetype efficiency, related to submorph >>>>>>>>>>> damage >>>>>>>>>>> code >>>>>>>>>>> related previsouly, is of equal importance. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If the user experience is ungood -- slowness -- people will >>>>>>>>>>> RUN >>>>>>>>>>> AWAY. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2009/5/21 Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>: >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> on one hand we should have a good default for fonts - >>>>>>>>>>>> default >>>>>>>>>>>> means >>>>>>>>>>>> ok >>>>>>>>>>>> for license and >>>>>>>>>>>> work on platforms.... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Now I would LOVE to get a list of cool combination of fonts >>>>>> even >>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>> they are proprietary. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So I hope that I woke the designer in you :) >>>>>>>>>>>> Send snippets in the following forms that we can impress >>>>>> girls :) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans Mono' >>>>>> pointSize: >>>>>>>>>>>> 9. >>>>>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Serif' >>>>>> pointSize: 11. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>> project >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Every thing has its own flow." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> " Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. " Download >>>>>> Now_______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>> project >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>>> >>>>> "No matter how many recipes we'll know, we'll still value a chef." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> [hidden email] >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
Re: call for hypercool fonts configuration
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I certainly will not try to enforce it on anybody :).
The reason why I used condensed bold for the title and menu is that because we have so many of them both windows and menus, it is difficult to identify them. So, I want to quickly spot the title when hovering over the tabs at the bottom which is not accomplishable. As for the menus, I just find them easier to grasp in this way. Anyway, I added this script together with a version for demos (larger font size) here: MCHttpRepository location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/setup' user: '' password: '' Cheers, Doru On 22 May 2009, at 13:20, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > gaah, these fat menus and title fonts look awful to me! ;) > Adrian > > On May 22, 2009, at 12:48 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > >> :) >> looks cool to me. thanks doru. >> >> <Picture 7.pdf><Picture 6.pdf> >> On May 22, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: >> >>> Thanks a lot, that worked fine. >>> >>> So, I list below my settings. I use Helvetica Neue Condensed Bold >>> for >>> menus and window title. Because I use it there, I also use Helvetica >>> Neue regular for the rest of the items, except for the code where I >>> use Monaco: >>> >>> menuFont := LogicalFont >>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>> pointSize: 9 >>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>> titleFont := LogicalFont >>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>> pointSize: 14 >>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 8. >>> defaultFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' pointSize: >>> 9. >>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: defaultFont. >>> Preferences setListFontTo: defaultFont. >>> Preferences setFlapsFontTo: menuFont. >>> Preferences setHaloLabelFontTo: defaultFont. >>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: menuFont. >>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>> Preferences setBalloonHelpFontTo: defaultFont. >>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: defaultFont. >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> >>> >>> On 22 May 2009, at 11:05, Andrew Tween wrote: >>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: [hidden email] >>>>> To: [hidden email] >>>>> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:19:44 +0200 >>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] call for hypercool fonts >>>>> configuration >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I would like to give my script, but I do not know how to specify >>>> in a >>>>> script that I want 'Helvetica Neue' - 'Condensed Bold'. Can anyone >>>> help? >>>> >>>> >>>> codeFont := LogicalFont >>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>> pointSize: 9 >>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Andy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Doru >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 22 May 2009, at 09:56, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hm, they look perfect on my machine. I just took a 10310 Pharo >>>> core >>>>>> and run the script I posted. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you have the BitBlt plugin added to the VM? >>>>>> Are the DejaVu fonts blurry as well? Can you post a screenshot? >>>>>> >>>>>> Adrian >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 23:30 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> this is strange because I get a blurry result. >>>>>>> Should I have a specific package loaded: I tried with the >>>> 10309dev >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> the VM has the FT2plugin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mac, I like the following "special" configuration with >>>>>>>> Lucida >>>>>>>> Grande and Monaco: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 9. >>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedAscent' put: 12. >>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedHeight' put: 15. >>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' >>>> pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Note, I manually tweak the font description of Monaco to >>>> decrease >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> line height (don't know why it is that high by default). With >>>> the >>>>>>>> above, it looks more like in TextMate for example. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Adrian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:55 , Hilaire Fernandes wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, anythinks related to look'nd feel and overal design in >>>> Pharo >>>>>>>>> could help a lot to make people to LOVE Pharo or to RUN AWAY. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regarding fonts, I found myself sharing the point previously >>>>>>>>> expressed there: >>>>>>>>> -Dejavu Sans for all but code >>>>>>>>> -Code with Dedavu mono >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The issue about Freetype efficiency, related to submorph >>>>>>>>> damage >>>>>>>>> code >>>>>>>>> related previsouly, is of equal importance. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If the user experience is ungood -- slowness -- people will >>>>>>>>> RUN >>>>>>>>> AWAY. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2009/5/21 Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>: >>>>>>>>>> Hi guys >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> on one hand we should have a good default for fonts - default >>>>>>>>>> means >>>>>>>>>> ok >>>>>>>>>> for license and >>>>>>>>>> work on platforms.... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now I would LOVE to get a list of cool combination of fonts >>>> even >>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>> they are proprietary. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So I hope that I woke the designer in you :) >>>>>>>>>> Send snippets in the following forms that we can impress >>>> girls :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans Mono' >>>> pointSize: >>>>>>>>>> 9. >>>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Serif' >>>> pointSize: 11. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>> project >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>>> >>>>> "Every thing has its own flow." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> [hidden email] >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>> project >>>> >>>> >>>> " Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. " Download >>>> Now_______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> >>> "No matter how many recipes we'll know, we'll still value a chef." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- www.tudorgirba.com "In a world where everything is moving ever faster, one might have better chances to win by moving slower." _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
Re: call for hypercool fonts configuration
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Thanks I will use that for my lecture next week :)
On May 22, 2009, at 2:19 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > I certainly will not try to enforce it on anybody :). > > The reason why I used condensed bold for the title and menu is that > because we have so many of them both windows and menus, it is > difficult to identify them. So, I want to quickly spot the title when > hovering over the tabs at the bottom which is not accomplishable. As > for the menus, I just find them easier to grasp in this way. > > Anyway, I added this script together with a version for demos (larger > font size) here: > > MCHttpRepository > location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/setup' > user: '' > password: '' > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On 22 May 2009, at 13:20, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > >> gaah, these fat menus and title fonts look awful to me! ;) >> Adrian >> >> On May 22, 2009, at 12:48 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> :) >>> looks cool to me. thanks doru. >>> >>> <Picture 7.pdf><Picture 6.pdf> >>> On May 22, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks a lot, that worked fine. >>>> >>>> So, I list below my settings. I use Helvetica Neue Condensed Bold >>>> for >>>> menus and window title. Because I use it there, I also use >>>> Helvetica >>>> Neue regular for the rest of the items, except for the code where I >>>> use Monaco: >>>> >>>> menuFont := LogicalFont >>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>> pointSize: 9 >>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>> titleFont := LogicalFont >>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>> pointSize: 14 >>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 8. >>>> defaultFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' pointSize: >>>> 9. >>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: defaultFont. >>>> Preferences setListFontTo: defaultFont. >>>> Preferences setFlapsFontTo: menuFont. >>>> Preferences setHaloLabelFontTo: defaultFont. >>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: menuFont. >>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>> Preferences setBalloonHelpFontTo: defaultFont. >>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: defaultFont. >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 22 May 2009, at 11:05, Andrew Tween wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: [hidden email] >>>>>> To: [hidden email] >>>>>> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:19:44 +0200 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] call for hypercool fonts >>>>>> configuration >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I would like to give my script, but I do not know how to specify >>>>> in a >>>>>> script that I want 'Helvetica Neue' - 'Condensed Bold'. Can >>>>>> anyone >>>>> help? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont >>>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>>> pointSize: 9 >>>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Andy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Doru >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 22 May 2009, at 09:56, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hm, they look perfect on my machine. I just took a 10310 Pharo >>>>> core >>>>>>> and run the script I posted. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do you have the BitBlt plugin added to the VM? >>>>>>> Are the DejaVu fonts blurry as well? Can you post a screenshot? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Adrian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 23:30 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> this is strange because I get a blurry result. >>>>>>>> Should I have a specific package loaded: I tried with the >>>>> 10309dev >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> the VM has the FT2plugin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mac, I like the following "special" configuration with >>>>>>>>> Lucida >>>>>>>>> Grande and Monaco: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 9. >>>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedAscent' put: 12. >>>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedHeight' put: 15. >>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' >>>>> pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Note, I manually tweak the font description of Monaco to >>>>> decrease >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> line height (don't know why it is that high by default). With >>>>> the >>>>>>>>> above, it looks more like in TextMate for example. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Adrian >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:55 , Hilaire Fernandes wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, anythinks related to look'nd feel and overal design in >>>>> Pharo >>>>>>>>>> could help a lot to make people to LOVE Pharo or to RUN AWAY. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regarding fonts, I found myself sharing the point previously >>>>>>>>>> expressed there: >>>>>>>>>> -Dejavu Sans for all but code >>>>>>>>>> -Code with Dedavu mono >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The issue about Freetype efficiency, related to submorph >>>>>>>>>> damage >>>>>>>>>> code >>>>>>>>>> related previsouly, is of equal importance. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If the user experience is ungood -- slowness -- people will >>>>>>>>>> RUN >>>>>>>>>> AWAY. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2009/5/21 Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>: >>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> on one hand we should have a good default for fonts - >>>>>>>>>>> default >>>>>>>>>>> means >>>>>>>>>>> ok >>>>>>>>>>> for license and >>>>>>>>>>> work on platforms.... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Now I would LOVE to get a list of cool combination of fonts >>>>> even >>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>> they are proprietary. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So I hope that I woke the designer in you :) >>>>>>>>>>> Send snippets in the following forms that we can impress >>>>> girls :) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans Mono' >>>>> pointSize: >>>>>>>>>>> 9. >>>>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Serif' >>>>> pointSize: 11. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>> project >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>>>> >>>>>> "Every thing has its own flow." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>> project >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> " Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. " Download >>>>> Now_______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> [hidden email] >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>> project >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>> >>>> "No matter how many recipes we'll know, we'll still value a chef." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "In a world where everything is moving ever faster, > one might have better chances to win by moving slower." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
Re: call for hypercool fonts configuration
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In reply to this post by Tudor Girba-3
On May 22, 2009, at 14:19 , Tudor Girba wrote: > I certainly will not try to enforce it on anybody :). > > The reason why I used condensed bold for the title and menu is that > because we have so many of them both windows and menus, it is > difficult to identify them. So, I want to quickly spot the title when > hovering over the tabs at the bottom which is not accomplishable. Then we should probably fix that the label of the tab shows what you need to know (I assume the class name). Currently, the class name is prefixed with "System Browser: ", which uses up all the space as soon as one has several open windows. I would just remove "System Browser: " in the window title and tab label and only print the class name. Would that help? Adrian > As > for the menus, I just find them easier to grasp in this way. > > Anyway, I added this script together with a version for demos (larger > font size) here: > > MCHttpRepository > location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/setup' > user: '' > password: '' > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On 22 May 2009, at 13:20, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > >> gaah, these fat menus and title fonts look awful to me! ;) >> Adrian >> >> On May 22, 2009, at 12:48 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> :) >>> looks cool to me. thanks doru. >>> >>> <Picture 7.pdf><Picture 6.pdf> >>> On May 22, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks a lot, that worked fine. >>>> >>>> So, I list below my settings. I use Helvetica Neue Condensed Bold >>>> for >>>> menus and window title. Because I use it there, I also use >>>> Helvetica >>>> Neue regular for the rest of the items, except for the code where I >>>> use Monaco: >>>> >>>> menuFont := LogicalFont >>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>> pointSize: 9 >>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>> titleFont := LogicalFont >>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>> pointSize: 14 >>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 8. >>>> defaultFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' pointSize: >>>> 9. >>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: defaultFont. >>>> Preferences setListFontTo: defaultFont. >>>> Preferences setFlapsFontTo: menuFont. >>>> Preferences setHaloLabelFontTo: defaultFont. >>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: menuFont. >>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>> Preferences setBalloonHelpFontTo: defaultFont. >>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: defaultFont. >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 22 May 2009, at 11:05, Andrew Tween wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: [hidden email] >>>>>> To: [hidden email] >>>>>> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:19:44 +0200 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] call for hypercool fonts >>>>>> configuration >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I would like to give my script, but I do not know how to specify >>>>> in a >>>>>> script that I want 'Helvetica Neue' - 'Condensed Bold'. Can >>>>>> anyone >>>>> help? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont >>>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>>> pointSize: 9 >>>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Andy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Doru >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 22 May 2009, at 09:56, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hm, they look perfect on my machine. I just took a 10310 Pharo >>>>> core >>>>>>> and run the script I posted. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do you have the BitBlt plugin added to the VM? >>>>>>> Are the DejaVu fonts blurry as well? Can you post a screenshot? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Adrian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 23:30 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> this is strange because I get a blurry result. >>>>>>>> Should I have a specific package loaded: I tried with the >>>>> 10309dev >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> the VM has the FT2plugin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mac, I like the following "special" configuration with >>>>>>>>> Lucida >>>>>>>>> Grande and Monaco: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 9. >>>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedAscent' put: 12. >>>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedHeight' put: 15. >>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' >>>>> pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Note, I manually tweak the font description of Monaco to >>>>> decrease >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> line height (don't know why it is that high by default). With >>>>> the >>>>>>>>> above, it looks more like in TextMate for example. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Adrian >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:55 , Hilaire Fernandes wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, anythinks related to look'nd feel and overal design in >>>>> Pharo >>>>>>>>>> could help a lot to make people to LOVE Pharo or to RUN AWAY. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regarding fonts, I found myself sharing the point previously >>>>>>>>>> expressed there: >>>>>>>>>> -Dejavu Sans for all but code >>>>>>>>>> -Code with Dedavu mono >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The issue about Freetype efficiency, related to submorph >>>>>>>>>> damage >>>>>>>>>> code >>>>>>>>>> related previsouly, is of equal importance. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If the user experience is ungood -- slowness -- people will >>>>>>>>>> RUN >>>>>>>>>> AWAY. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2009/5/21 Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>: >>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> on one hand we should have a good default for fonts - >>>>>>>>>>> default >>>>>>>>>>> means >>>>>>>>>>> ok >>>>>>>>>>> for license and >>>>>>>>>>> work on platforms.... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Now I would LOVE to get a list of cool combination of fonts >>>>> even >>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>> they are proprietary. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So I hope that I woke the designer in you :) >>>>>>>>>>> Send snippets in the following forms that we can impress >>>>> girls :) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans Mono' >>>>> pointSize: >>>>>>>>>>> 9. >>>>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Serif' >>>>> pointSize: 11. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>> project >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>>>> >>>>>> "Every thing has its own flow." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>> project >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> " Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. " Download >>>>> Now_______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> [hidden email] >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>> project >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>> >>>> "No matter how many recipes we'll know, we'll still value a chef." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "In a world where everything is moving ever faster, > one might have better chances to win by moving slower." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
Re: call for hypercool fonts configuration
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It would help indeed, but I still want to be able to distinguish
between the many windows when they are open, and when I hover over the buttons at the bottom (in the preview) so I will still stick to the condensed bold font :). Doru On 22 May 2009, at 15:38, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > > On May 22, 2009, at 14:19 , Tudor Girba wrote: > >> I certainly will not try to enforce it on anybody :). >> >> The reason why I used condensed bold for the title and menu is that >> because we have so many of them both windows and menus, it is >> difficult to identify them. So, I want to quickly spot the title when >> hovering over the tabs at the bottom which is not accomplishable. > > Then we should probably fix that the label of the tab shows what you > need to know (I assume the class name). Currently, the class name is > prefixed with "System Browser: ", which uses up all the space as soon > as one has several open windows. I would just remove "System Browser: > " in the window title and tab label and only print the class name. > Would that help? > > Adrian > >> As >> for the menus, I just find them easier to grasp in this way. >> >> Anyway, I added this script together with a version for demos (larger >> font size) here: >> >> MCHttpRepository >> location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/setup' >> user: '' >> password: '' >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> On 22 May 2009, at 13:20, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >> >>> gaah, these fat menus and title fonts look awful to me! ;) >>> Adrian >>> >>> On May 22, 2009, at 12:48 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >>> >>>> :) >>>> looks cool to me. thanks doru. >>>> >>>> <Picture 7.pdf><Picture 6.pdf> >>>> On May 22, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks a lot, that worked fine. >>>>> >>>>> So, I list below my settings. I use Helvetica Neue Condensed Bold >>>>> for >>>>> menus and window title. Because I use it there, I also use >>>>> Helvetica >>>>> Neue regular for the rest of the items, except for the code >>>>> where I >>>>> use Monaco: >>>>> >>>>> menuFont := LogicalFont >>>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>>> pointSize: 9 >>>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont >>>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>>> pointSize: 14 >>>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 8. >>>>> defaultFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' pointSize: >>>>> 9. >>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: defaultFont. >>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: defaultFont. >>>>> Preferences setFlapsFontTo: menuFont. >>>>> Preferences setHaloLabelFontTo: defaultFont. >>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: menuFont. >>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>> Preferences setBalloonHelpFontTo: defaultFont. >>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: defaultFont. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Doru >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 22 May 2009, at 11:05, Andrew Tween wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> From: [hidden email] >>>>>>> To: [hidden email] >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:19:44 +0200 >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] call for hypercool fonts >>>>>>> configuration >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would like to give my script, but I do not know how to specify >>>>>> in a >>>>>>> script that I want 'Helvetica Neue' - 'Condensed Bold'. Can >>>>>>> anyone >>>>>> help? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont >>>>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>>>> pointSize: 9 >>>>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Andy >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Doru >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 22 May 2009, at 09:56, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hm, they look perfect on my machine. I just took a 10310 Pharo >>>>>> core >>>>>>>> and run the script I posted. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do you have the BitBlt plugin added to the VM? >>>>>>>> Are the DejaVu fonts blurry as well? Can you post a screenshot? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Adrian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 23:30 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> this is strange because I get a blurry result. >>>>>>>>> Should I have a specific package loaded: I tried with the >>>>>> 10309dev >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> the VM has the FT2plugin >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mac, I like the following "special" configuration with >>>>>>>>>> Lucida >>>>>>>>>> Grande and Monaco: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' pointSize: >>>>>>>>>> 10. >>>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 9. >>>>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedAscent' put: 12. >>>>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedHeight' put: 15. >>>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' >>>>>> pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Note, I manually tweak the font description of Monaco to >>>>>> decrease >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> line height (don't know why it is that high by default). With >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> above, it looks more like in TextMate for example. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Adrian >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:55 , Hilaire Fernandes wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, anythinks related to look'nd feel and overal design in >>>>>> Pharo >>>>>>>>>>> could help a lot to make people to LOVE Pharo or to RUN >>>>>>>>>>> AWAY. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regarding fonts, I found myself sharing the point previously >>>>>>>>>>> expressed there: >>>>>>>>>>> -Dejavu Sans for all but code >>>>>>>>>>> -Code with Dedavu mono >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The issue about Freetype efficiency, related to submorph >>>>>>>>>>> damage >>>>>>>>>>> code >>>>>>>>>>> related previsouly, is of equal importance. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If the user experience is ungood -- slowness -- people will >>>>>>>>>>> RUN >>>>>>>>>>> AWAY. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2009/5/21 Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>: >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> on one hand we should have a good default for fonts - >>>>>>>>>>>> default >>>>>>>>>>>> means >>>>>>>>>>>> ok >>>>>>>>>>>> for license and >>>>>>>>>>>> work on platforms.... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Now I would LOVE to get a list of cool combination of fonts >>>>>> even >>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>> they are proprietary. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So I hope that I woke the designer in you :) >>>>>>>>>>>> Send snippets in the following forms that we can impress >>>>>> girls :) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans' pointSize: >>>>>>>>>>>> 10. >>>>>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans Mono' >>>>>> pointSize: >>>>>>>>>>>> 9. >>>>>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Serif' >>>>>> pointSize: 11. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ >>>>>>>>>>>> pharo- >>>>>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>> project >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Every thing has its own flow." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>>> project >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> " Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. " Download >>>>>> Now_______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>> project >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>>> >>>>> "No matter how many recipes we'll know, we'll still value a chef." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> [hidden email] >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>> project >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "In a world where everything is moving ever faster, >> one might have better chances to win by moving slower." >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- www.tudorgirba.com "We cannot reach the flow of things unless we let go." _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
Re: call for hypercool fonts configuration
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What you do not like OBPackageAdaptor... Great Squeakish ui.
Stef On May 22, 2009, at 3:38 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > > On May 22, 2009, at 14:19 , Tudor Girba wrote: > >> I certainly will not try to enforce it on anybody :). >> >> The reason why I used condensed bold for the title and menu is that >> because we have so many of them both windows and menus, it is >> difficult to identify them. So, I want to quickly spot the title when >> hovering over the tabs at the bottom which is not accomplishable. > > Then we should probably fix that the label of the tab shows what you > need to know (I assume the class name). Currently, the class name is > prefixed with "System Browser: ", which uses up all the space as soon > as one has several open windows. I would just remove "System Browser: > " in the window title and tab label and only print the class name. > Would that help? > > Adrian > >> As >> for the menus, I just find them easier to grasp in this way. >> >> Anyway, I added this script together with a version for demos (larger >> font size) here: >> >> MCHttpRepository >> location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/setup' >> user: '' >> password: '' >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> On 22 May 2009, at 13:20, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >> >>> gaah, these fat menus and title fonts look awful to me! ;) >>> Adrian >>> >>> On May 22, 2009, at 12:48 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >>> >>>> :) >>>> looks cool to me. thanks doru. >>>> >>>> <Picture 7.pdf><Picture 6.pdf> >>>> On May 22, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks a lot, that worked fine. >>>>> >>>>> So, I list below my settings. I use Helvetica Neue Condensed Bold >>>>> for >>>>> menus and window title. Because I use it there, I also use >>>>> Helvetica >>>>> Neue regular for the rest of the items, except for the code >>>>> where I >>>>> use Monaco: >>>>> >>>>> menuFont := LogicalFont >>>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>>> pointSize: 9 >>>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont >>>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>>> pointSize: 14 >>>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 8. >>>>> defaultFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' pointSize: >>>>> 9. >>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: defaultFont. >>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: defaultFont. >>>>> Preferences setFlapsFontTo: menuFont. >>>>> Preferences setHaloLabelFontTo: defaultFont. >>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: menuFont. >>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>> Preferences setBalloonHelpFontTo: defaultFont. >>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: defaultFont. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Doru >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 22 May 2009, at 11:05, Andrew Tween wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> From: [hidden email] >>>>>>> To: [hidden email] >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:19:44 +0200 >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] call for hypercool fonts >>>>>>> configuration >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would like to give my script, but I do not know how to specify >>>>>> in a >>>>>>> script that I want 'Helvetica Neue' - 'Condensed Bold'. Can >>>>>>> anyone >>>>>> help? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont >>>>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>>>> pointSize: 9 >>>>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Andy >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Doru >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 22 May 2009, at 09:56, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hm, they look perfect on my machine. I just took a 10310 Pharo >>>>>> core >>>>>>>> and run the script I posted. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do you have the BitBlt plugin added to the VM? >>>>>>>> Are the DejaVu fonts blurry as well? Can you post a screenshot? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Adrian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 23:30 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> this is strange because I get a blurry result. >>>>>>>>> Should I have a specific package loaded: I tried with the >>>>>> 10309dev >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> the VM has the FT2plugin >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mac, I like the following "special" configuration with >>>>>>>>>> Lucida >>>>>>>>>> Grande and Monaco: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' pointSize: >>>>>>>>>> 10. >>>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 9. >>>>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedAscent' put: 12. >>>>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedHeight' put: 15. >>>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' >>>>>> pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Note, I manually tweak the font description of Monaco to >>>>>> decrease >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> line height (don't know why it is that high by default). With >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> above, it looks more like in TextMate for example. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Adrian >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:55 , Hilaire Fernandes wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, anythinks related to look'nd feel and overal design in >>>>>> Pharo >>>>>>>>>>> could help a lot to make people to LOVE Pharo or to RUN >>>>>>>>>>> AWAY. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regarding fonts, I found myself sharing the point previously >>>>>>>>>>> expressed there: >>>>>>>>>>> -Dejavu Sans for all but code >>>>>>>>>>> -Code with Dedavu mono >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The issue about Freetype efficiency, related to submorph >>>>>>>>>>> damage >>>>>>>>>>> code >>>>>>>>>>> related previsouly, is of equal importance. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If the user experience is ungood -- slowness -- people will >>>>>>>>>>> RUN >>>>>>>>>>> AWAY. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2009/5/21 Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>: >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> on one hand we should have a good default for fonts - >>>>>>>>>>>> default >>>>>>>>>>>> means >>>>>>>>>>>> ok >>>>>>>>>>>> for license and >>>>>>>>>>>> work on platforms.... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Now I would LOVE to get a list of cool combination of fonts >>>>>> even >>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>> they are proprietary. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So I hope that I woke the designer in you :) >>>>>>>>>>>> Send snippets in the following forms that we can impress >>>>>> girls :) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans' pointSize: >>>>>>>>>>>> 10. >>>>>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans Mono' >>>>>> pointSize: >>>>>>>>>>>> 9. >>>>>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Serif' >>>>>> pointSize: 11. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ >>>>>>>>>>>> pharo- >>>>>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>> project >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Every thing has its own flow." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>>> project >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> " Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. " Download >>>>>> Now_______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>> project >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>>> >>>>> "No matter how many recipes we'll know, we'll still value a chef." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> [hidden email] >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>> project >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "In a world where everything is moving ever faster, >> one might have better chances to win by moving slower." >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
Re: call for hypercool fonts configuration
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I like Arial, and I think it's a very common font available on most platforms.....
| aStandardFont aBoldFont | aStandardFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Arial' pointSize: 9 stretchValue: 5 weightValue: 400 slantValue: 0. aBoldFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Arial' pointSize: 9 stretchValue: 5 weightValue: 700 slantValue: 0. Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: aBoldFont. Preferences setEToysTitleFontTo: aBoldFont. Preferences setFlapsFontTo: aBoldFont. Preferences setBalloonHelpFontTo: aStandardFont. Preferences setButtonFontTo: aStandardFont. Preferences setCodeFontTo: aStandardFont. Preferences setEToysFontTo: aStandardFont. Preferences setHaloLabelFontTo: aStandardFont. Preferences setListFontTo: aStandardFont. Preferences setMenuFontTo: aStandardFont. Preferences setPaintBoxButtonFontTo: aStandardFont. Preferences setSystemFontTo: aStandardFont. On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote: What you do not like OBPackageAdaptor... Great Squeakish ui. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
Re: call for hypercool fonts configuration
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I found the flash menu :)
and this is cool Stef On May 22, 2009, at 4:53 PM, Steve Wirts wrote: > I like Arial, and I think it's a very common font available on most > platforms..... > > | aStandardFont aBoldFont | > > > aStandardFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Arial' pointSize: 9 > stretchValue: 5 weightValue: 400 slantValue: 0. > aBoldFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Arial' pointSize: 9 > stretchValue: 5 weightValue: 700 slantValue: 0. > > Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: aBoldFont. > Preferences setEToysTitleFontTo: aBoldFont. > Preferences setFlapsFontTo: aBoldFont. > Preferences setBalloonHelpFontTo: aStandardFont. > Preferences setButtonFontTo: aStandardFont. > Preferences setCodeFontTo: aStandardFont. > Preferences setEToysFontTo: aStandardFont. > Preferences setHaloLabelFontTo: aStandardFont. > Preferences setListFontTo: aStandardFont. > Preferences setMenuFontTo: aStandardFont. > Preferences setPaintBoxButtonFontTo: aStandardFont. > Preferences setSystemFontTo: aStandardFont. > > > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email] > > wrote: > What you do not like OBPackageAdaptor... Great Squeakish ui. > > Stef > > On May 22, 2009, at 3:38 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > > > > > On May 22, 2009, at 14:19 , Tudor Girba wrote: > > > >> I certainly will not try to enforce it on anybody :). > >> > >> The reason why I used condensed bold for the title and menu is that > >> because we have so many of them both windows and menus, it is > >> difficult to identify them. So, I want to quickly spot the title > when > >> hovering over the tabs at the bottom which is not accomplishable. > > > > Then we should probably fix that the label of the tab shows what you > > need to know (I assume the class name). Currently, the class name is > > prefixed with "System Browser: ", which uses up all the space as > soon > > as one has several open windows. I would just remove "System > Browser: > > " in the window title and tab label and only print the class name. > > Would that help? > > > > Adrian > > > >> As > >> for the menus, I just find them easier to grasp in this way. > >> > >> Anyway, I added this script together with a version for demos > (larger > >> font size) here: > >> > >> MCHttpRepository > >> location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/setup' > >> user: '' > >> password: '' > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Doru > >> > >> > >> On 22 May 2009, at 13:20, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > >> > >>> gaah, these fat menus and title fonts look awful to me! ;) > >>> Adrian > >>> > >>> On May 22, 2009, at 12:48 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > >>> > >>>> :) > >>>> looks cool to me. thanks doru. > >>>> > >>>> <Picture 7.pdf><Picture 6.pdf> > >>>> On May 22, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Thanks a lot, that worked fine. > >>>>> > >>>>> So, I list below my settings. I use Helvetica Neue Condensed > Bold > >>>>> for > >>>>> menus and window title. Because I use it there, I also use > >>>>> Helvetica > >>>>> Neue regular for the rest of the items, except for the code > >>>>> where I > >>>>> use Monaco: > >>>>> > >>>>> menuFont := LogicalFont > >>>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' > >>>>> pointSize: 9 > >>>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) > >>>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) > >>>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). > >>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont > >>>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' > >>>>> pointSize: 14 > >>>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) > >>>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) > >>>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). > >>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 8. > >>>>> defaultFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' > pointSize: > >>>>> 9. > >>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: defaultFont. > >>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: defaultFont. > >>>>> Preferences setFlapsFontTo: menuFont. > >>>>> Preferences setHaloLabelFontTo: defaultFont. > >>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: menuFont. > >>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. > >>>>> Preferences setBalloonHelpFontTo: defaultFont. > >>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. > >>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: defaultFont. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Cheers, > >>>>> Doru > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 22 May 2009, at 11:05, Andrew Tween wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hi > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> From: [hidden email] > >>>>>>> To: [hidden email] > >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:19:44 +0200 > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] call for hypercool fonts > >>>>>>> configuration > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I would like to give my script, but I do not know how to > specify > >>>>>> in a > >>>>>>> script that I want 'Helvetica Neue' - 'Condensed Bold'. Can > >>>>>>> anyone > >>>>>> help? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont > >>>>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' > >>>>>> pointSize: 9 > >>>>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) > >>>>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) > >>>>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). > >>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>> Andy > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>>> Doru > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 22 May 2009, at 09:56, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hm, they look perfect on my machine. I just took a 10310 > Pharo > >>>>>> core > >>>>>>>> and run the script I posted. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Do you have the BitBlt plugin added to the VM? > >>>>>>>> Are the DejaVu fonts blurry as well? Can you post a > screenshot? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Adrian > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 23:30 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> this is strange because I get a blurry result. > >>>>>>>>> Should I have a specific package loaded: I tried with the > >>>>>> 10309dev > >>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>> the VM has the FT2plugin > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Stef > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Mac, I like the following "special" configuration with > >>>>>>>>>> Lucida > >>>>>>>>>> Grande and Monaco: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' pointSize: > >>>>>>>>>> 10. > >>>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 9. > >>>>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedAscent' put: 12. > >>>>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedHeight' put: 15. > >>>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' > >>>>>> pointSize: 10. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. > >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. > >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. > >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. > >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. > >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Note, I manually tweak the font description of Monaco to > >>>>>> decrease > >>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> line height (don't know why it is that high by default). > With > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> above, it looks more like in TextMate for example. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Adrian > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:55 , Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, anythinks related to look'nd feel and overal design > in > >>>>>> Pharo > >>>>>>>>>>> could help a lot to make people to LOVE Pharo or to RUN > >>>>>>>>>>> AWAY. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Regarding fonts, I found myself sharing the point > previously > >>>>>>>>>>> expressed there: > >>>>>>>>>>> -Dejavu Sans for all but code > >>>>>>>>>>> -Code with Dedavu mono > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> The issue about Freetype efficiency, related to submorph > >>>>>>>>>>> damage > >>>>>>>>>>> code > >>>>>>>>>>> related previsouly, is of equal importance. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> If the user experience is ungood -- slowness -- people > will > >>>>>>>>>>> RUN > >>>>>>>>>>> AWAY. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> 2009/5/21 Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>: > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> on one hand we should have a good default for fonts - > >>>>>>>>>>>> default > >>>>>>>>>>>> means > >>>>>>>>>>>> ok > >>>>>>>>>>>> for license and > >>>>>>>>>>>> work on platforms.... > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Now I would LOVE to get a list of cool combination of > fonts > >>>>>> even > >>>>>>>>>>>> if > >>>>>>>>>>>> they are proprietary. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> So I hope that I woke the designer in you :) > >>>>>>>>>>>> Send snippets in the following forms that we can impress > >>>>>> girls :) > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans' pointSize: > >>>>>>>>>>>> 10. > >>>>>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans Mono' > >>>>>> pointSize: > >>>>>>>>>>>> 9. > >>>>>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Serif' > >>>>>> pointSize: 11. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Stef > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] > >>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ > >>>>>>>>>>>> pharo- > >>>>>>>>>>>> project > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] > >>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] > >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>>>>>>> [hidden email] > >>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>>>>>> [hidden email] > >>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- > >>>>>> project > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> www.tudorgirba.com > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> "Every thing has its own flow." > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>>>>> [hidden email] > >>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- > >>>>>>> project > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> " Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. " Download > >>>>>> Now_______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>>>> [hidden email] > >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- > >>>>>> project > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> www.tudorgirba.com > >>>>> > >>>>> "No matter how many recipes we'll know, we'll still value a > chef." > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>>> [hidden email] > >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- > >>>>> project > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>>> [hidden email] > >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> [hidden email] > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- > project > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> www.tudorgirba.com > >> > >> "In a world where everything is moving ever faster, > >> one might have better chances to win by moving slower." > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> [hidden email] > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > [hidden email] > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
Re: call for hypercool fonts configuration
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It would be nice to have a wiki page with all of this configurations. So that any user can copy and paste then and see how the look like in their images. Or they can be in a specific morph or preference browser, but this requires more time and effort.
Sorry, I don't have wiki permissions. Cheers, Mariano On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote: I found the flash menu :) _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
Re: call for hypercool fonts configuration
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I created a Monticello repositiory called PersonalSettings
Maybe you can put your script in it. Alexandre On 22 May 2009, at 08:19, Tudor Girba wrote: > I certainly will not try to enforce it on anybody :). > > The reason why I used condensed bold for the title and menu is that > because we have so many of them both windows and menus, it is > difficult to identify them. So, I want to quickly spot the title when > hovering over the tabs at the bottom which is not accomplishable. As > for the menus, I just find them easier to grasp in this way. > > Anyway, I added this script together with a version for demos (larger > font size) here: > > MCHttpRepository > location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/setup' > user: '' > password: '' > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On 22 May 2009, at 13:20, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > >> gaah, these fat menus and title fonts look awful to me! ;) >> Adrian >> >> On May 22, 2009, at 12:48 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> :) >>> looks cool to me. thanks doru. >>> >>> <Picture 7.pdf><Picture 6.pdf> >>> On May 22, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks a lot, that worked fine. >>>> >>>> So, I list below my settings. I use Helvetica Neue Condensed Bold >>>> for >>>> menus and window title. Because I use it there, I also use >>>> Helvetica >>>> Neue regular for the rest of the items, except for the code where I >>>> use Monaco: >>>> >>>> menuFont := LogicalFont >>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>> pointSize: 9 >>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>> titleFont := LogicalFont >>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>> pointSize: 14 >>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 8. >>>> defaultFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' pointSize: >>>> 9. >>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: defaultFont. >>>> Preferences setListFontTo: defaultFont. >>>> Preferences setFlapsFontTo: menuFont. >>>> Preferences setHaloLabelFontTo: defaultFont. >>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: menuFont. >>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>> Preferences setBalloonHelpFontTo: defaultFont. >>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: defaultFont. >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 22 May 2009, at 11:05, Andrew Tween wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: [hidden email] >>>>>> To: [hidden email] >>>>>> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:19:44 +0200 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] call for hypercool fonts >>>>>> configuration >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I would like to give my script, but I do not know how to specify >>>>> in a >>>>>> script that I want 'Helvetica Neue' - 'Condensed Bold'. Can >>>>>> anyone >>>>> help? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont >>>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' >>>>> pointSize: 9 >>>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) >>>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) >>>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). >>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Andy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Doru >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 22 May 2009, at 09:56, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hm, they look perfect on my machine. I just took a 10310 Pharo >>>>> core >>>>>>> and run the script I posted. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do you have the BitBlt plugin added to the VM? >>>>>>> Are the DejaVu fonts blurry as well? Can you post a screenshot? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Adrian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 23:30 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> this is strange because I get a blurry result. >>>>>>>> Should I have a specific package loaded: I tried with the >>>>> 10309dev >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> the VM has the FT2plugin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mac, I like the following "special" configuration with >>>>>>>>> Lucida >>>>>>>>> Grande and Monaco: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 9. >>>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedAscent' put: 12. >>>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedHeight' put: 15. >>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' >>>>> pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Note, I manually tweak the font description of Monaco to >>>>> decrease >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> line height (don't know why it is that high by default). With >>>>> the >>>>>>>>> above, it looks more like in TextMate for example. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Adrian >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:55 , Hilaire Fernandes wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, anythinks related to look'nd feel and overal design in >>>>> Pharo >>>>>>>>>> could help a lot to make people to LOVE Pharo or to RUN AWAY. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regarding fonts, I found myself sharing the point previously >>>>>>>>>> expressed there: >>>>>>>>>> -Dejavu Sans for all but code >>>>>>>>>> -Code with Dedavu mono >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The issue about Freetype efficiency, related to submorph >>>>>>>>>> damage >>>>>>>>>> code >>>>>>>>>> related previsouly, is of equal importance. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If the user experience is ungood -- slowness -- people will >>>>>>>>>> RUN >>>>>>>>>> AWAY. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2009/5/21 Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>: >>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> on one hand we should have a good default for fonts - >>>>>>>>>>> default >>>>>>>>>>> means >>>>>>>>>>> ok >>>>>>>>>>> for license and >>>>>>>>>>> work on platforms.... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Now I would LOVE to get a list of cool combination of fonts >>>>> even >>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>> they are proprietary. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So I hope that I woke the designer in you :) >>>>>>>>>>> Send snippets in the following forms that we can impress >>>>> girls :) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans' pointSize: 10. >>>>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans Mono' >>>>> pointSize: >>>>>>>>>>> 9. >>>>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Serif' >>>>> pointSize: 11. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. >>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>> project >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>>>> >>>>>> "Every thing has its own flow." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>>> project >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> " Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. " Download >>>>> Now_______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> [hidden email] >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>> project >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>> >>>> "No matter how many recipes we'll know, we'll still value a chef." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "In a world where everything is moving ever faster, > one might have better chances to win by moving slower." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
Re: call for hypercool fonts configuration
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flash menu?
Rob On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote: I found the flash menu :) _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
Re: call for hypercool fonts configuration
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in the veiw explorer :) sorry
On May 22, 2009, at 10:22 PM, Rob Rothwell wrote: > flash menu? > > Rob > > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email] > > wrote: > I found the flash menu :) > and this is cool > > Stef > > On May 22, 2009, at 4:53 PM, Steve Wirts wrote: > > > I like Arial, and I think it's a very common font available on most > > platforms..... > > > > | aStandardFont aBoldFont | > > > > > > aStandardFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Arial' pointSize: 9 > > stretchValue: 5 weightValue: 400 slantValue: 0. > > aBoldFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Arial' pointSize: 9 > > stretchValue: 5 weightValue: 700 slantValue: 0. > > > > Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: aBoldFont. > > Preferences setEToysTitleFontTo: aBoldFont. > > Preferences setFlapsFontTo: aBoldFont. > > Preferences setBalloonHelpFontTo: aStandardFont. > > Preferences setButtonFontTo: aStandardFont. > > Preferences setCodeFontTo: aStandardFont. > > Preferences setEToysFontTo: aStandardFont. > > Preferences setHaloLabelFontTo: aStandardFont. > > Preferences setListFontTo: aStandardFont. > > Preferences setMenuFontTo: aStandardFont. > > Preferences setPaintBoxButtonFontTo: aStandardFont. > > Preferences setSystemFontTo: aStandardFont. > > > > > > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email] > > > wrote: > > What you do not like OBPackageAdaptor... Great Squeakish ui. > > > > Stef > > > > On May 22, 2009, at 3:38 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > > > > > > > > On May 22, 2009, at 14:19 , Tudor Girba wrote: > > > > > >> I certainly will not try to enforce it on anybody :). > > >> > > >> The reason why I used condensed bold for the title and menu is > that > > >> because we have so many of them both windows and menus, it is > > >> difficult to identify them. So, I want to quickly spot the title > > when > > >> hovering over the tabs at the bottom which is not accomplishable. > > > > > > Then we should probably fix that the label of the tab shows what > you > > > need to know (I assume the class name). Currently, the class > name is > > > prefixed with "System Browser: ", which uses up all the space as > > soon > > > as one has several open windows. I would just remove "System > > Browser: > > > " in the window title and tab label and only print the class name. > > > Would that help? > > > > > > Adrian > > > > > >> As > > >> for the menus, I just find them easier to grasp in this way. > > >> > > >> Anyway, I added this script together with a version for demos > > (larger > > >> font size) here: > > >> > > >> MCHttpRepository > > >> location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/setup' > > >> user: '' > > >> password: '' > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> Doru > > >> > > >> > > >> On 22 May 2009, at 13:20, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > > >> > > >>> gaah, these fat menus and title fonts look awful to me! ;) > > >>> Adrian > > >>> > > >>> On May 22, 2009, at 12:48 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> :) > > >>>> looks cool to me. thanks doru. > > >>>> > > >>>> <Picture 7.pdf><Picture 6.pdf> > > >>>> On May 22, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> Thanks a lot, that worked fine. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> So, I list below my settings. I use Helvetica Neue Condensed > > Bold > > >>>>> for > > >>>>> menus and window title. Because I use it there, I also use > > >>>>> Helvetica > > >>>>> Neue regular for the rest of the items, except for the code > > >>>>> where I > > >>>>> use Monaco: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> menuFont := LogicalFont > > >>>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' > > >>>>> pointSize: 9 > > >>>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) > > >>>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) > > >>>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). > > >>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont > > >>>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' > > >>>>> pointSize: 14 > > >>>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) > > >>>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) > > >>>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). > > >>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 8. > > >>>>> defaultFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' > > pointSize: > > >>>>> 9. > > >>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: defaultFont. > > >>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: defaultFont. > > >>>>> Preferences setFlapsFontTo: menuFont. > > >>>>> Preferences setHaloLabelFontTo: defaultFont. > > >>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: menuFont. > > >>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. > > >>>>> Preferences setBalloonHelpFontTo: defaultFont. > > >>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. > > >>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: defaultFont. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Cheers, > > >>>>> Doru > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On 22 May 2009, at 11:05, Andrew Tween wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> Hi > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> From: [hidden email] > > >>>>>>> To: [hidden email] > > >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:19:44 +0200 > > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] call for hypercool fonts > > >>>>>>> configuration > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Hi, > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I would like to give my script, but I do not know how to > > specify > > >>>>>> in a > > >>>>>>> script that I want 'Helvetica Neue' - 'Condensed Bold'. Can > > >>>>>>> anyone > > >>>>>> help? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont > > >>>>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' > > >>>>>> pointSize: 9 > > >>>>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) > > >>>>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) > > >>>>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). > > >>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Cheers, > > >>>>>> Andy > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Cheers, > > >>>>>>> Doru > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On 22 May 2009, at 09:56, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Hm, they look perfect on my machine. I just took a 10310 > > Pharo > > >>>>>> core > > >>>>>>>> and run the script I posted. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Do you have the BitBlt plugin added to the VM? > > >>>>>>>> Are the DejaVu fonts blurry as well? Can you post a > > screenshot? > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Adrian > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 23:30 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> this is strange because I get a blurry result. > > >>>>>>>>> Should I have a specific package loaded: I tried with the > > >>>>>> 10309dev > > >>>>>>>>> and > > >>>>>>>>> the VM has the FT2plugin > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Stef > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> On Mac, I like the following "special" configuration with > > >>>>>>>>>> Lucida > > >>>>>>>>>> Grande and Monaco: > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' > pointSize: > > >>>>>>>>>> 10. > > >>>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: > 9. > > >>>>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedAscent' put: 12. > > >>>>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedHeight' put: 15. > > >>>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' > > >>>>>> pointSize: 10. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. > > >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. > > >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. > > >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. > > >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. > > >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Note, I manually tweak the font description of Monaco to > > >>>>>> decrease > > >>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>> line height (don't know why it is that high by default). > > With > > >>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>> above, it looks more like in TextMate for example. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Adrian > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:55 , Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, anythinks related to look'nd feel and overal design > > in > > >>>>>> Pharo > > >>>>>>>>>>> could help a lot to make people to LOVE Pharo or to RUN > > >>>>>>>>>>> AWAY. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Regarding fonts, I found myself sharing the point > > previously > > >>>>>>>>>>> expressed there: > > >>>>>>>>>>> -Dejavu Sans for all but code > > >>>>>>>>>>> -Code with Dedavu mono > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> The issue about Freetype efficiency, related to submorph > > >>>>>>>>>>> damage > > >>>>>>>>>>> code > > >>>>>>>>>>> related previsouly, is of equal importance. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> If the user experience is ungood -- slowness -- people > > will > > >>>>>>>>>>> RUN > > >>>>>>>>>>> AWAY. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> 2009/5/21 Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> on one hand we should have a good default for fonts - > > >>>>>>>>>>>> default > > >>>>>>>>>>>> means > > >>>>>>>>>>>> ok > > >>>>>>>>>>>> for license and > > >>>>>>>>>>>> work on platforms.... > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Now I would LOVE to get a list of cool combination of > > fonts > > >>>>>> even > > >>>>>>>>>>>> if > > >>>>>>>>>>>> they are proprietary. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> So I hope that I woke the designer in you :) > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Send snippets in the following forms that we can > impress > > >>>>>> girls :) > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans' > pointSize: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> 10. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans Mono' > > >>>>>> pointSize: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> 9. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Serif' > > >>>>>> pointSize: 11. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Stef > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] > > >>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ > > >>>>>>>>>>>> pharo- > > >>>>>>>>>>>> project > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > > >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] > > >>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > > >>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] > > >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > > >>>>>>>>> [hidden email] > > >>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > > >>>>>>>> [hidden email] > > >>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ > pharo- > > >>>>>> project > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>> www.tudorgirba.com > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> "Every thing has its own flow." > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > > >>>>>>> [hidden email] > > >>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- > > >>>>>>> project > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> " Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. 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