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RK-6


Hello!


I'm Robert and I'm developing in Smalltalk for 10 years by now. I'm looking for and alternative smalltalk and I would like to port some existing applications from VisualAge.

I started to read some Squeak documentation, and it seems to be great (both the documentation and Squeak itself!).

However, I have a very basic question I can't figure out, maybe because the answer is trivial.

I'm Hungarian and our software code and applications conatin national character strings. This is quite normal :)

On Linux I have this setting: LANG=hu_HU.UTF-8

Squek starts with no problem, and keyboard is working well, all characters are on its right place, so the Hungarian keyboard and settings are working well, but there are two Hungarian specials for which nothing appears.

These are o with double acute and u with double acute (o" u" O" U" - just imagine the double acute above the o-s and u-s) both regular and capital. Simply nothing is displayed. It usually mens that there is no glyph for those in the character set applied - but I'm not sure.
On windows these ar in Central European sets (Win1250 or ISO-8859-2), and naturally, all unicode sets contain these...

Before I start any migration tests I must be know the answers about this very little but very essential problem.

thanks for any help

Robert



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Re: comint from VAST and being HU

Giovanni Corriga
RK ha scritto:

>
>
> Hello!
>
>
> I'm Robert and I'm developing in Smalltalk for 10 years by now. I'm
> looking for and alternative smalltalk and I would like to port some
> existing applications from VisualAge.
>
> I started to read some Squeak documentation, and it seems to be great
> (both the documentation and Squeak itself!).
>
> However, I have a very basic question I can't figure out, maybe because
> the answer is trivial.
>
> I'm Hungarian and our software code and applications conatin national
> character strings. This is quite normal :)
>
> On Linux I have this setting: LANG=hu_HU.UTF-8
>
> Squek starts with no problem, and keyboard is working well, all
> characters are on its right place, so the Hungarian keyboard and
> settings are working well, but there are two Hungarian specials for
> which nothing appears.
>
> These are o with double acute and u with double acute (o" u" O" U" -
> just imagine the double acute above the o-s and u-s) both regular and
> capital. Simply nothing is displayed. It usually mens that there is no
> glyph for those in the character set applied - but I'm not sure.
> On windows these ar in Central European sets (Win1250 or ISO-8859-2),
> and naturally, all unicode sets contain these...
>
> Before I start any migration tests I must be know the answers about this
> very little but very essential problem.

Hi Robert,

it might be that the fonts in your image do not have glyphs for the two
characters you want to type. Try importing some TTF fonts that you know
support those characters, switch your image to use these fonts, and
check if you can get them on screen.

        Ciao,

                Giovanni

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Re: comint from VAST and being HU

RK-6
Giovanni,

thanks!

>it might be that the fonts in your image do not have glyphs for the two
characters you want to type.
>Try importing some TTF fonts that you know support those characters,
switch your image to use these fonts
>and check if you can get them on screen.

Could you please help me how? Is it documented somewhere?

best regards

Robert

> RK ha scritto:
> Hi Robert,
>
> it might be that the fonts in your image do not have glyphs for the
> two characters you want to type. Try importing some TTF fonts that you
> know support those characters, switch your image to use these fonts,
> and check if you can get them on screen.
>
>     Ciao,
>
>         Giovanni
>
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Re: comint from VAST and being HU

David Mitchell-10
Load Andy Tween's TrueType support from package Universes. It picks up
the fonts on Unix and Windows. Haven't tried MacOSX yet.

On Dec 6, 2007 11:21 AM, RK <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Giovanni,
>
> thanks!
>
> >it might be that the fonts in your image do not have glyphs for the two
> characters you want to type.
> >Try importing some TTF fonts that you know support those characters,
> switch your image to use these fonts
> >and check if you can get them on screen.
>
> Could you please help me how? Is it documented somewhere?
>
> best regards
>
> Robert
>
> > RK ha scritto:
>
> > Hi Robert,
> >
> > it might be that the fonts in your image do not have glyphs for the
> > two characters you want to type. Try importing some TTF fonts that you
> > know support those characters, switch your image to use these fonts,
> > and check if you can get them on screen.
> >
> >     Ciao,
> >
> >         Giovanni
> >
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Re: coming from VAST and being HU

RK-6

David,

Thank you very much for the details!

I was able to find what "Universes" is...
But now facing another problem...

I have Gentoo Linux. I have Squeak 3.9.7 and squeak-fullimage 3.8.6665.

Universes says that "The package has no published release for your squeak version" Is it the image or the VM infrastructure that causes the problem?

Questions:
- Should I download another image manually? Will itt work on this infrastructure?

3.9-7 #1 2007. dec.  4., kedd, 20.31.26 CET gcc 4.1.2
Squeak3.9alpha of 4 July 2005 [latest update: #7021]
Linux tpgentoo 2.6.22-gentoo-r9 #3 SMP PREEMPT Mon Nov 5 18:28:56 CET 2007 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.50GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
default plugin location: /usr/lib/squeak/3.9-7/*.so

- Should I download another precompiled squeak version with its images? (sounds bad, as the strength of gentoo is to manage packages by itself and compile them locally...)

It's getting to be complicated...I just wanted some special characters to be displayed... :) How often does it happen that someone is forced to change version? What about backward compatibility? I'm thinking of migrating some of our key applications but I wouldn't like to go to a never-ending version and download-hunt to keep it alive afterwards.

//I may have to contact the gentoo ebuild maintaner of squeak and ask to upgrade, or do it myself, however, I do afraid I can't as I'm a SMALLTALK developer, not C :)  //

Thanks and sorry for the very basic questions - I've read somewhere that this forum is just for this :) :)

Best regards

Robert

Load Andy Tween's TrueType support from package Universes. It picks up
the fonts on Unix and Windows. Haven't tried MacOSX yet.

  


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Re: coming from VAST and being HU

David Mitchell-10
Image is the issue here I think. 3.9 VM is supported by FreeType. My
images are 3.9 and 3.10.

I'm no Linux expert, but I play with it at home.

I made a gentoo box last year and it was a little too bleeding edge
for me. I'm on Ubuntu now.

The easiest distro I've found for Ubuntu is the One-Click Installer.
Just put it on last night and it just worked. Nice thing about
One-Click is that it is totally portable to Windows (and I've heard,
but not tested, Mac). First thing I did was to pull in the FreeType
fonts. Took less than 10 minutes.

http://news.squeak.org/2007/11/10/seaside-one-click-experience/

On Dec 6, 2007 1:00 PM, RK <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
>  David,
>
>  Thank you very much for the details!
>
>  I was able to find what "Universes" is...
>  But now facing another problem...
>
>  I have Gentoo Linux. I have Squeak 3.9.7 and squeak-fullimage 3.8.6665.
>
>  Universes says that "The package has no published release for your squeak
> version" Is it the image or the VM infrastructure that causes the problem?
>
>  Questions:
>  - Should I download another image manually? Will itt work on this
> infrastructure?
>
>  3.9-7 #1 2007. dec.  4., kedd, 20.31.26 CET gcc 4.1.2
>  Squeak3.9alpha of 4 July 2005 [latest update: #7021]
>  Linux tpgentoo 2.6.22-gentoo-r9 #3 SMP PREEMPT Mon Nov 5 18:28:56 CET 2007
> i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.50GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
>  default plugin location: /usr/lib/squeak/3.9-7/*.so
>
>  - Should I download another precompiled squeak version with its images?
> (sounds bad, as the strength of gentoo is to manage packages by itself and
> compile them locally...)
>
>  It's getting to be complicated...I just wanted some special characters to
> be displayed... :) How often does it happen that someone is forced to change
> version? What about backward compatibility? I'm thinking of migrating some
> of our key applications but I wouldn't like to go to a never-ending version
> and download-hunt to keep it alive afterwards.
>
>  //I may have to contact the gentoo ebuild maintaner of squeak and ask to
> upgrade, or do it myself, however, I do afraid I can't as I'm a SMALLTALK
> developer, not C :)  //
>
>  Thanks and sorry for the very basic questions - I've read somewhere that
> this forum is just for this :) :)
>
>  Best regards
>
>  Robert
>
>
>  Load Andy Tween's TrueType support from package Universes. It picks up
> the fonts on Unix and Windows. Haven't tried MacOSX yet.
>
>
>
>
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Re: coming from VAST and being HU

Edgar J. De Cleene



El 12/6/07 4:35 PM, "David Mitchell" <[hidden email]> escribió:

> Image is the issue here I think. 3.9 VM is supported by FreeType. My
> images are 3.9 and 3.10.
>
> I'm no Linux expert, but I play with it at home.
>
> I made a gentoo box last year and it was a little too bleeding edge
> for me. I'm on Ubuntu now.
>
> The easiest distro I've found for Ubuntu is the One-Click Installer.
> Just put it on last night and it just worked. Nice thing about
> One-Click is that it is totally portable to Windows (and I've heard,
> but not tested, Mac). First thing I did was to pull in the FreeType
> fonts. Took less than 10 minutes.

One click packed Seaside works smooth in Mac.
The Sophie trick is put the other VM Os inside the OS X VM.
Mac see as app, others see as directory.
To RK my advice download is the last 3.10.
As part of release team I test all on all systems.
John Foster on this list helps me with SimplyMepis 6.5.
The short way is download
http://ftp.squeak.org/3.10alpha/Squeak3.10.1beta.7155.zip
http://ftp.squeak.org/3.9/SqueakV39.sources.gz

and put in the same places you have 3.8 files.

People is using 3.10 , you have derived images like Damien excellent dev
one.
Is not backward compatible and still need some more experimenting to safe
load all old things.
I doing this and publish FunSqueak 3.10 as all good things showing in Squeak
this years.
So if you miss some old (or odd) project, say me .
Stay tuned.

Edgar

Edgar


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Re: coming from VAST and being HU

RK-6
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David,

thanks again and also thanks for the quick test. I'll try it this way!

best regards

Robert




> Image is the issue here I think. 3.9 VM is supported by FreeType. My
> images are 3.9 and 3.10.
>
> I'm no Linux expert, but I play with it at home.
>
> I made a gentoo box last year and it was a little too bleeding edge
> for me. I'm on Ubuntu now.
>
> The easiest distro I've found for Ubuntu is the One-Click Installer.
> Just put it on last night and it just worked. Nice thing about
> One-Click is that it is totally portable to Windows (and I've heard,
> but not tested, Mac). First thing I did was to pull in the FreeType
> fonts. Took less than 10 minutes.
>
> http://news.squeak.org/2007/11/10/seaside-one-click-experience/
>  

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Re: coming from VAST and being HU

RK-6
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David,

thanks and also thanks for others helping. I was successfull to load
Freetype fonts and change them on the GUI.
It seems that if a glyph is missing from a font, squeak types a blank
character space (no glyph printed). But when typing o" and u" characters
nothing happens, so it could be another problem, not only a font-glyph
question.

I'm not interested in digging deeper into the system, as I'd like to
concentrate on applications porting but not system hacking.

I may continue my tests with ST/X and VisualWorks, but I'll follow this
mailing list and also the Squeak homepage as it seemed to be the best
choice until now with a very active community.

Thanks again for all your help!

Best regards

Robert


> Image is the issue here I think. 3.9 VM is supported by FreeType. My
> images are 3.9 and 3.10.
>
>  

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