current steps for Mac VM build?

> At 1:36 AM +0100 4/15/09, Jay Hardesty apparently wrote:
>>
>>Hi - I've built VM's numerous times in the past, but currently having
>>no luck trying to build a Mac Carbon VM on a Intel Mac running 10.5.6,
>>using Xcode 3.1.3.
>>
>>In short (more detail below), I get a link error: library not found
>>for lcrt1.10.5.o
>>
>>Details for the 3.8-image-6665 src-rev-1444 attempt (leaving aside
>>details of the previous attempt using a 3.10 image src-rev-1963 that
>>ended up with sqVirtualMachine.o undefined's):
>>
>>Following the readme (platforms/Mac OS/vm/Documentation/readme.txt) I
>>took a basic 3.8 image version 6665, installed Balloon3D, and
>>VMMaker-3.8b6.
>>
>>Downloaded version 1444 of the svn source tree (based on the comment
>>in the VMMaker 3.8b6 changeset).
>>
>>Filed in (removing line-feeds as needed):
>>VMM38-gc-instrument-image.1.cs
>>VMM38-64bit-imageUpdates.1.cs
>>ArraysToGlobalStruct-JMM.1.cs
>>Gnuifier.6.cs
>>(JMM-fixBiasToGrow.1.cs.zip is not in the source tree, and don't see
>>it in my change sets - any case left out)
>>
>>Generated sources (after setting plugins etc as directed), , renamed
>>the result from "src32" to "src", and then gnuified.
>>
>>Placed SqueakVMUNIXPATHS.xcodeproj, resources, and Squeak VM
>>Universal-Info.plist in the directory containing "src' and
>>"platforms".
>>
>>Selected "Deployment" as target in xcode and compiled, with result:
>> "library not found for lcrt1.10.5.o"
>>
>>
>>Some questions:
>>Which "Base SDK" setting: 10.3.9. 10.4, 10.5?  (tried clean builds with
>> each)
>>Should I really (still) be using version 1444 of the source?
>>Ditto for Squeak 3.8 6665 (versus a 3.9 or 3.9 image)?
>>
>>
>>Thanks for any help,
>>Jay
>
>
> Latest VMMaker is on Squeaksource now.
> See this message below from John McIntosh on April 11, 2009:
> Later images should work fine as far as I know. I haven't built a VM
> lately tho but did successfully awhile back with 3.10 dev images.
> What OS X do you intend to deploy on? I'm guessing the base SDK would need
> to match since it would need to reside on the target OS.
>
> Ken G. Brown
>
>
> At 3:01 PM -0700 4/11/09, John M McIntosh apparently wrote:
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>>On 11-Apr-09, at 10:56 AM, Andreas Raab wrote:
>>
>>>Sounds good to me. I see this more as a formalization of the arrangement
>>> we already have, since you have been taking Tim's role lately with doing
>>> most of the integration etc. So you've got my support here.
>>>
>>>In terms of what to do I think what we most need is a bit more clarity
>>> for people. For example, how does one actually set up a VMMaker image?
>>> You kinda need bits from the four corners of the world and I don't think
>>> the process is described anywhere. The shorthand in my VMMaker image
>>> says:
>>>* Load Speech from http://source.squeakfoundation.org/39a
>>>* Load FFI from Universes
>>>* Load VMMaker from http://squeaksource.com/VMMaker
>>>* Load Balloon3D-Constants, Balloon3D-Plugins from
>>> http://squeaksource.com/Balloon3D
>>>* Load Freetype somehow
>>>
>>>This could certainly be improved. The simulator is another piece of the
>>> story where we should spend enough time that it can actually be used for
>>> simulation of various aspects. And then maybe fix the cruel and unusal
>>> UI for VMMaker ;-)
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>> - Andreas
>>
>>
>>
>>Well having pointers to everything on squeakvm.org would help.
>>People still load a 3.8 vmmaker from squeaksource for example, so a bit
>> more of where do I start if I have this platform would help
>>
>>
>>mac carbon VM build instructions here
>>
>>http://squeakvm.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/platforms/Mac%20OS/vm/Documentation/readme?rev=1708&view=auto
>>
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> Jay Hardesty wrote:
>> Thanks very much for the info.  But unfortunately now much more  
>> confused
>> than before.
>> I'm deploying on OSX 10.5.6 (intel)
>> Following the steps Andreas Raab listed (and if he's confused, then  
>> I'm
>> feeling hopeless):
>
> Remember that I said it was shorthand so that I would recall what  
> I've done if I ever had to do it again.
>
>> - Which "Speech" to download from Squeak-39-alpha (there are several
>> Speech-* files there)?
>
> It doesn't really matter; just pick the newest Monticello version.  
> The point is that you need a pool dictionary that is included in the  
> Speech package before you can attempt to load VMMaker.
>
>> - "Load Freetype somehow"? Is this resolved?
>
> No. It's a PITA to get this done. Unfortunately I didn't write this  
> up in detail but I *think* what I did was first loading Freetype  
> from Universes and then loading the Freetype-Plugin package from  
> Impara. Or something along those lines. I don't recall.
>
> Good luck with it. Please do keep notes as you move along because  
> they'll help us to get better instructions in place.
>
> Cheers,
>  - Andreas

> Jay Hardesty wrote:
>> Thanks very much for the info.  But unfortunately now much more confused
>> than before.
>>
>> I'm deploying on OSX 10.5.6 (intel)
>>
>> Following the steps Andreas Raab listed (and if he's confused, then I'm
>> feeling hopeless):
>
> Remember that I said it was shorthand so that I would recall what I've
> done if I ever had to do it again.
>
>> - Which "Speech" to download from Squeak-39-alpha (there are several
>> Speech-* files there)?
>
> It doesn't really matter; just pick the newest Monticello version. The
> point is that you need a pool dictionary that is included in the Speech
> package before you can attempt to load VMMaker.
>
>> - "Load Freetype somehow"? Is this resolved?
>
> No. It's a PITA to get this done. Unfortunately I didn't write this up
> in detail but I *think* what I did was first loading Freetype from
> Universes and then loading the Freetype-Plugin package from Impara. Or
> something along those lines. I don't recall.
>
> Good luck with it. Please do keep notes as you move along because
> they'll help us to get better instructions in place.
>
> Cheers,
>    - Andreas
>

>
> On 14-Apr-09, at 8:17 PM, Andreas Raab wrote:
>
>> Jay Hardesty wrote:
>>> Thanks very much for the info.  But unfortunately now much more
>>> confused
>>> than before.
>>> I'm deploying on OSX 10.5.6 (intel)
>>> Following the steps Andreas Raab listed (and if he's confused, then
>>> I'm
>>> feeling hopeless):
>>
>> Remember that I said it was shorthand so that I would recall what
>> I've done if I ever had to do it again.
>>
>>> - Which "Speech" to download from Squeak-39-alpha (there are several
>>> Speech-* files there)?
>>
>> It doesn't really matter; just pick the newest Monticello version.
>> The point is that you need a pool dictionary that is included in the
>> Speech package before you can attempt to load VMMaker.
>>
>>> - "Load Freetype somehow"? Is this resolved?
>>
>> No. It's a PITA to get this done. Unfortunately I didn't write this
>> up in detail but I *think* what I did was first loading Freetype
>> from Universes and then loading the Freetype-Plugin package from
>> Impara. Or something along those lines. I don't recall.
>>
>> Good luck with it. Please do keep notes as you move along because
>> they'll help us to get better instructions in place.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>  - Andreas
>
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>> Let me review the mac build steps, it's been a few years.
>> however in 2007 if you followed them you could build it. I think the
>> only change is that vmmaker comes from squeaksource now.
>> So give me a few hours.
>
> Great thanks - please no rush of any sort! (In fact probably be a  
> day or
> so before I get back to this). Think the biggest mystery (for me)  
> pertains
> to which special-change-sets are now needed. Given that, I can try the
> most likely image/src version combinations to find what works - again,
> I'll be sure to log the whole procedure once I find one that I can
> successfully repeat.
>
> Appreciate the help!
> Jay

> Ok I build a 4.0.1b1U mac carbon vm with alien support via a
> Squeak3.10.gamma.7159.image
>
> I updated the readme, had to rename it as readme.txt
>
> http://squeakvm.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/platforms/Mac%20OS/vm/Documentation/readme.txt?rev=1984&view=auto
>
> Simplified, even easier to do that it was in 2007.
>
> On 14-Apr-09, at 9:12 PM, Jay Hardesty wrote:
>
>>> Let me review the mac build steps, it's been a few years.
>>> however in 2007 if you followed them you could build it. I think the
>>> only change is that vmmaker comes from squeaksource now.
>>> So give me a few hours.
>>
>> Great thanks - please no rush of any sort! (In fact probably be a
>> day or
>> so before I get back to this). Think the biggest mystery (for me)
>> pertains
>> to which special-change-sets are now needed. Given that, I can try the
>> most likely image/src version combinations to find what works - again,
>> I'll be sure to log the whole procedure once I find one that I can
>> successfully repeat.
>>
>> Appreciate the help!
>> Jay
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