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monty-3

Re: feedback from yet another student presentation

Transport Layer Security, the successor of SSL (both implement https).

> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 at 2:11 AM
> From: stepharo <[hidden email]>
> To: "Pharo Development List" <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] feedback from yet another student presentation
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> Le 11/3/16 03:22, monty a écrit :
> > There's also the option of SS3 skinned to look like STH. We also really need TLS.
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> what is TSL?
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> > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 5:33 PM
> > From: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
> > To: "Pharo Development List" <[hidden email]>
> > Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] feedback from yet another student presentation
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> > SmalltalkHub looks like to have issues.
> > e.g. Hilaire not being able to access the Mold project despite being a contributor.
> > Removing/adding him didn't change much to the situation.
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> > We need to have more resources focusing on it as this is now a key part of our infrastructure.
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> > Phil
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> > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:14 PM, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:> - it was reallllly hard to register a project on smalltalkhub just after we created an account.
> >> This already happened to me during the open-devs.
> >> So this is a really big show stopper for the mooc. Because people will gave up just after the first lecture :(
> > The situation will be much easier I hope once git is well supported…
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> >> - we should really rename Class>>name: into setClassName:
> >> students were manipulating object with name such as state of state machine and one wrote
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> >> State name: 'A' and just rename the class and broke the system.
> > I have just created an issue:
> > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17798/Rename-Class-name-into-setClassName[https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17798/Rename-Class-name-into-setClassName]
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> > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu[http://www.bergel.eu]
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stepharo

Re: feedback from yet another student presentation

In reply to this post by philippe.back@highoctane.be

Thanks for the proposition.

Stef

Le 11/3/16 09:22, [hidden email] a écrit :

And that woukd be a nice thing to hack on during PharoDays.

On Mar 11, 2016 9:22 AM, "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> wrote:

STH can be fixed. This is more like some data problem.

Who can look at the system to identify issues? Is this a Mongo issue?

Phil

On Mar 11, 2016 8:17 AM, "Serge Stinckwich" <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 8:08 AM, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Le 10/3/16 22:14, Alexandre Bergel a écrit :
>>>
>>> - it was reallllly hard to register a project on smalltalkhub just after
>>> we created an account.
>>> This already happened to me during the open-devs.
>>> So this is a really big show stopper for the mooc. Because people will
>>> gave up just after the first lecture :(
>>
>> The situation will be much easier I hope once git is well supported…
>
>
> But will we have to answer 100 of problems during the mooc?
> And if people drop after just because they cannot save their code as we say
> it :(

Yes this is real annoying problem ... Maybe you can ask Gemstone to
support the MOOC
with a dedicated ss3 instance (or use ss3).

--
Serge Stinckwich
UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC)
Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk
http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/

Stephan Eggermont-3

Re: feedback from yet another student presentation

In reply to this post by philippe.back@highoctane.be

On 11-03-16 09:22, [hidden email]
wrote:
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> And that woukd be a nice thing to hack on during PharoDays
>

I'm not sure that is good timing, at least not if you want to implement
changes there.
PharoDays is not at INRIA, and it is likely that improvements need changes
at the system level. I'm not aware of a test environment for smalltalkhub.
And I'd expect a more than average load on smalltalkhub during the event.

I'd welcome an upgrade to current Amber and changes that allow me to look
at Smalltalkhub from an iOS device.

Stephan

stepharo

Re: feedback from yet another student presentation

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>> And that woukd be a nice thing to hack on during PharoDays
>>
>
> I'm not sure that is good timing, at least not if you want to
> implement changes there.
> PharoDays is not at INRIA, and it is likely that improvements need
> changes
> at the system level. I'm not aware of a test environment for
> smalltalkhub.
> And I'd expect a more than average load on smalltalkhub during the event.
>
> I'd welcome an upgrade to current Amber and changes that allow me to look
> at Smalltalkhub from an iOS device.

Do not dream. We will not do it. We will try to make sure that STHUB is
working.
I do not understand why amber people do not see that this is a really
visible Amber Application
and getting it in such state is not a good ad for Amber.

I hope we will be able to get rid of amber to simplify the maintenance
of STHUB.

Stef
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> Stephan
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Sean P. DeNigris

Re: feedback from yet another student presentation

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In reply to this post by abergel

abergel wrote

> So this is a really big show stopper for the mooc. Because people will gave up just after the first lecture :(
The situation will be much easier I hope once git is well supported…

IFAICT, git is well-supported right now.

Having our entire infrastructure written in Pharo is definitely still a great dream for me, but realistically, a Pharo-backed repo is so far down on the list of priorities for our limited manpower that I wouldn't waste a moment on it. I moved all my public projects to GitHub (and private ones to BitBucket for free) because I was horrified once it dawned on me that all my project loading and saving (including private projects) was unencrypted on all our standard repos. When I combine that with BitBucket/GitHub's built-in issue tracker, wiki, and collaborative features, it was a no brainer.

Although I resisted the switch to git for quite a while, I haven't looked back. With FileTree, I rarely use any more git than `git add -A`, `git commit`, and `git push origin master`, and with GitFileTree, even that basic knowledge of git is unnecessary.

Top it all off with git being considered sexy and cool right now, why not just start them off with GitFileTree and be done with it?

Cheers,
Sean

Dale Henrichs-3

Re: feedback from yet another student presentation

In reply to this post by SergeStinckwich

Tobias Pape has been improving SS3 over the years and the latest
versions are in continual use at HPI ... I can find out if there is
serious interest ...

Dale

On 3/10/16 11:15 PM, Serge Stinckwich wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 8:08 AM, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> Le 10/3/16 22:14, Alexandre Bergel a écrit :
>>>> - it was reallllly hard to register a project on smalltalkhub just after
>>>> we created an account.
>>>> This already happened to me during the open-devs.
>>>> So this is a really big show stopper for the mooc. Because people will
>>>> gave up just after the first lecture :(
>>> The situation will be much easier I hope once git is well supported…
>>
>> But will we have to answer 100 of problems during the mooc?
>> And if people drop after just because they cannot save their code as we say
>> it :(
> Yes this is real annoying problem ... Maybe you can ask Gemstone to
> support the MOOC
> with a dedicated ss3 instance (or use ss3).
>