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Chris Muller-3

final final Squeak-4.6-All-in-One posted

Okay, at he SqueakSSL plugin was replaced with the one from
https://github.com/itsmeront/squeakssl/releases for all platforms.
Tested it on Linux, worked. Fabio verified Mac. Craig signed it too.

Thanks for your help with this shakeout. Can anyone think of anything
else we need to do?

Stéphane Rollandin

Re: final final Squeak-4.6-All-in-One posted

> Thanks for your help with this shakeout. Can anyone think of anything
> else we need to do?

Is the color theme still grey upon grey ?

Stef

Chris Muller-3

Re: final final Squeak-4.6-All-in-One posted

The look and preferences of 4.6 were set up by Marcel and (I think)
others at HPI. Marcel made tremendous contributions to the IDE of 4.6
and so it makes sense to let him finish his vision of what the release
IDE should look and feel like. As a whole, Squeak is a successful
example of design by committee, but an IDE's look and feel, like a
piece of art, can benefit from being designed by a few or single mind
due to the more cohesive vision of all the components.

I certainly won't be running with gray windows -- it provides way too
little delineation of background windows, leaving me with only the
window position and its symbology (letters) for identification.

However, I can appreciate the initial "look" that the image opens
with. Like a classic movie, the black and white harkens back to
original Smalltalk-80, but that modern drop-shadow subtlely indicating
something more. Kinda pretty..

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Stéphane Rollandin
<[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Thanks for your help with this shakeout. Can anyone think of anything
>> else we need to do?
>
>
> Is the color theme still grey upon grey ?
>
> Stef
>

David T. Lewis

Re: final final Squeak-4.6-All-in-One posted

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 08:02:16PM -0500, Chris Muller wrote:
> The look and preferences of 4.6 were set up by Marcel and (I think)
> others at HPI. Marcel made tremendous contributions to the IDE of 4.6
> and so it makes sense to let him finish his vision of what the release
> IDE should look and feel like. As a whole, Squeak is a successful
> example of design by committee, but an IDE's look and feel, like a
> piece of art, can benefit from being designed by a few or single mind
> due to the more cohesive vision of all the components.

Excellent summary, and FWIW I agree. Marcel also provided justification
for this based on the reactions of many new users to the Squeak image.
Even though I do not personally like the grey look, I recognize that the
initial reaction of new users on first exposure to the release image is
more important than my personal preference.

>
> I certainly won't be running with gray windows -- it provides way too
> little delineation of background windows, leaving me with only the
> window position and its symbology (letters) for identification.

Me too. I think we should have a wiki page for "top 10 horrible
preferences and how to make them go away".

;-)

Dave

>
> However, I can appreciate the initial "look" that the image opens
> with. Like a classic movie, the black and white harkens back to
> original Smalltalk-80, but that modern drop-shadow subtlely indicating
> something more. Kinda pretty..
>
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:18 PM, St??phane Rollandin
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> Thanks for your help with this shakeout. Can anyone think of anything
> >> else we need to do?
> >
> >
> > Is the color theme still grey upon grey ?
> >
> > Stef
> >

timrowledge

Re: final final Squeak-4.6-All-in-One posted

In reply to this post by Chris Muller-3

On 21-07-2015, at 6:02 PM, Chris Muller <[hidden email]> wrote:

> but an IDE's look and feel, like a
> piece of art, can benefit from being designed by a few or single mind
> due to the more cohesive vision of all the components.

This is usually true but I notice that at least the quit ‘save changes before quitting?’ dialogue still has the bluey colours. This may perhaps be a cache that needs clearing?

And the Release Notes text jars a bit - for 4.6 there *isn’t* a new vm for the ARM - we only did the spur vm for ARM. In fact right now it would take some effort to make a plain ARM cog vm since the strictures of the abort trap etc mean there isn’t a suitable way to discriminate the nmethod type.

tim
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Chris Muller-3

Re: final final Squeak-4.6-All-in-One posted

>> but an IDE's look and feel, like a
>> piece of art, can benefit from being designed by a few or single mind
>> due to the more cohesive vision of all the components.
>
> This is usually true but I notice that at least the quit ‘save changes before quitting?’ dialogue still has the bluey colours. This may perhaps be a cache that needs clearing?

No, that's the color they are.

> And the Release Notes text jars a bit - for 4.6 there *isn’t* a new vm for the ARM - we only did the spur vm for ARM. In fact right now it would take some effort to make a plain ARM cog vm since the strictures of the abort trap etc mean there isn’t a suitable way to discriminate the nmethod type.

We had MONTHS for people to make suggestions for the 4.6 release. Now
that we've just collapsed the .spur branch to make trunk 5.0 earlier
this week is not the time to start making suggestions for 4.6. There
will be no more changes to 4.6, but there's still time for 5.0 --
where I might need to REMOVE that line from the release notes unless
we can get it into the All-in-One...

Chris Muller-3

Re: final final Squeak-4.6-All-in-One posted

In reply to this post by David T. Lewis

> Me too. I think we should have a wiki page for "top 10 horrible
> preferences and how to make them go away".

Or, instead of just "go away" some narrative about what they do and
why? "How the top 10 horrible preferences can actually make your life
better.."

timrowledge

Re: final final Squeak-4.6-All-in-One posted

In reply to this post by Chris Muller-3

On 22-07-2015, at 8:04 AM, Chris Muller <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> And the Release Notes text jars a bit - for 4.6 there *isn’t* a new vm for the ARM - we only did the spur vm for ARM. In fact right now it would take some effort to make a plain ARM cog vm since the strictures of the abort trap etc mean there isn’t a suitable way to discriminate the nmethod type.
>
> We had MONTHS for people to make suggestions for the 4.6 release.

And somet1mes nobody notises the ovbious spilling or gramer mistake until thay happen to glanse at it juost the write whey.

tim
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Dan Norton

Re: final final Squeak-4.6-All-in-One posted

In reply to this post by David T. Lewis

On 21 Jul 2015 at 21:36, David T. Lewis wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 08:02:16PM -0500, Chris Muller wrote:
> > The look and preferences of 4.6 were set up by Marcel and (I
> think)
> > others at HPI. Marcel made tremendous contributions to the IDE of
> 4.6
> > and so it makes sense to let him finish his vision of what the
> release
> > IDE should look and feel like. As a whole, Squeak is a
> successful
> > example of design by committee, but an IDE's look and feel, like
> a
> > piece of art, can benefit from being designed by a few or single
> mind
> > due to the more cohesive vision of all the components.
>
> Excellent summary, and FWIW I agree. Marcel also provided
> justification
> for this based on the reactions of many new users to the Squeak
> image.
> Even though I do not personally like the grey look, I recognize that
> the
> initial reaction of new users on first exposure to the release image
> is
> more important than my personal preference.
>
> >
> > I certainly won't be running with gray windows -- it provides way
> too
> > little delineation of background windows, leaving me with only
> the
> > window position and its symbology (letters) for identification.
>
> Me too. I think we should have a wiki page for "top 10 horrible
> preferences and how to make them go away".
>

+1

- Dan