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This will be going up on the smalltalk jobs board as well ( in a less casual fashion ) but, I suspect there are many out there who find it as unusable as me ( sorry James ), so I'm posting here as well.
We are getting ready to start the first steps of moving a mod_perl/perl based custom/home grown e-commerce system over to running on GLASS. You would be devoted at least 95% of the time to said work because the rest of us would get pulled away from time to time and we want to keep this moving forward. We are in love with Seaside and GLASS but need someone with experience to decrease our learning curve and become a valued member of the team. This would be an ongoing, full time, telecommuting position. Skills we would value: Seaside Gemstone ( any level of experience, we have limited, just starting out, call us apprentices ) Magritte Pier Monticello in a multi-user environment Monticello integration with svn and/or git Code Critic SUnit You get the idea, I could ramble off things. Obviously if your name was Lukas or Philippe or something of a similar nature we would be thrilled, but we are willing to aim ( and probably have to ) lower. We have suspicion though, that there is a highly skilled smalltalker out there who want to be paid to work full time in Seaside and that we can get you instead of training someone from the inside. ( Horror, of horrors, we have a budget ). Please reply off list for more details. _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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I'm not applying, but potential candidates might like to know where this is based.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Sean Allen <[hidden email]> wrote: This will be going up on the smalltalk jobs board as well ( in a less casual fashion ) but, I suspect there are many out there who find it as unusable as me ( sorry James ), so I'm posting here as well. _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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doesn't telecommuting cover that?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Marcin Tustin <[hidden email]> wrote: I'm not applying, but potential candidates might like to know where this is based. _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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It seems that I have in any case failed the literacy test.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Sean Allen <[hidden email]> wrote: doesn't telecommuting cover that? _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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i doubt that because i've understood everything you said.
perhaps you just read it too fast ;). On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Marcin Tustin <[hidden email]> wrote: It seems that I have in any case failed the literacy test. _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
Re: fulltime seaside position
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At Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:27:35 -0500,
Sean Allen wrote: > > doesn't telecommuting cover that? But the potential candidates might like to know in what timezone he is supposed to be available for prompt responses. (I'm not applying, but^^;) -- Yoshiki _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Yoshiki Ohshima <[hidden email]> wrote: At Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:27:35 -0500, EST. _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Hi Sean,
It seems like you are trying to avoid saying where are
you located. Is this the case? If so, why?
Victor
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Its a telecommuting position. I didn't think it would matter at all as no one in the IT department works out of an office.
Until yesterday we had people working from Vancouver to Paris. As of today just Vancouver to New York. There is no 'located' as its a telecommuting position and we have people all over. As long as someone can meet the job requirements, they can work on mars for all I care ( although that could make the teaching up part hard. ) Seriously though, EST, NYC? Does it make a difference? Central office is NYC. I work all hours. Doesn't much matter to me. What is this timezone obsession some people have? Maybe if it wasn't mention, it wasn't considered important? On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Victor <[hidden email]> wrote:
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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Sean Allen <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Seriously though, EST, NYC? Does it make a difference? Central office is > NYC. I work all hours. Doesn't much matter to me. > What is this timezone obsession some people have? Maybe if it wasn't > mention, it wasn't considered important? Maybe they're trying to figure out if you're in their tribe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Standard_Tribe ;) Avi _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
RE: fulltime seaside position
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It does, if by EST you mean Estonia :)
To be serious though, job searches are often as much about employer as they are about an employee. It isn't unreasonable for candidates to want to know who it is they are dealing with before they decide to apply, which is why lack of detail in your original message might have spawned all those questions. Cheers! -Boris -- +1.604.689.0322 DeepCove Labs Ltd. 4th floor 595 Howe Street Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5 http://tinyurl.com/r7uw4 [hidden email] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email is intended only for the persons named in the message header. Unless otherwise indicated, it contains information that is private and confidential. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender and delete the entire message including any attachments. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Sean Allen Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:40 PM To: Seaside - general discussion Subject: Re: [Seaside] fulltime seaside position Its a telecommuting position. I didn't think it would matter at all as no one in the IT department works out of an office. Until yesterday we had people working from Vancouver to Paris. As of today just Vancouver to New York. There is no 'located' as its a telecommuting position and we have people all over. As long as someone can meet the job requirements, they can work on mars for all I care ( although that could make the teaching up part hard. ) Seriously though, EST, NYC? Does it make a difference? Central office is NYC. I work all hours. Doesn't much matter to me. What is this timezone obsession some people have? Maybe if it wasn't mention, it wasn't considered important? On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Victor <[hidden email]> wrote: Hi Sean, It seems like you are trying to avoid saying where are you located. Is this the case? If so, why? Victor =============================== ----- Original Message ----- From: Sean Allen <mailto:[hidden email]> To: Seaside - general discussion <mailto:[hidden email]> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [Seaside] fulltime seaside position On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Yoshiki Ohshima <[hidden email]> wrote: At Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:27:35 -0500, Sean Allen wrote: > > doesn't telecommuting cover that? But the potential candidates might like to know in what timezone he is supposed to be available for prompt responses. (I'm not applying, but^^;) EST. ________________________________ _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Sad. It took me no time at all to figure out where this job is located based on a few simple pieces of info in the original email.
I am a long way from being a "Lukas or a Phillipe" so I am not interested in leaving my cushy Delphi job for a risky position at which I might well fail due to inexperience, but a little curiosity and resourcefulness would give an interested party all they need to know about the where and who. Best of luck to those who apply though ;) JM On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Boris Popov <[hidden email]> wrote: It does, if by EST you mean Estonia :) _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Smart man not leaving his cushy job.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 8:29 PM, John M <[hidden email]> wrote: Sad. It took me no time at all to figure out where this job is located based on a few simple pieces of info in the original email. _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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I've already answered plenty of questions off list. After the timezone though, a geographic location for a job that
doesn't have a geographic location is just a little annoying. Even if it leads to Avi giving me a laugh. On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Boris Popov <[hidden email]> wrote: It does, if by EST you mean Estonia :) _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
Gosh, another Delphic Seasider! (was Re: fulltime seaside position)
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John M wrote:
> Sad. It took me no time at all to figure out where this job is located based on a few simple pieces of info in the original email. > I am a long way from being a "Lukas or a Phillipe" so I am not interested in leaving my cushy Delphi job for a risky position at which I > might well fail due to inexperience, but a little curiosity and resourcefulness would give an interested party all they need to know about > the where and who. I'm so glad to see I'm not the only cushy-Delphi-job interested in Seaside! frank _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
Re: fulltime seaside position
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At Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:39:59 -0500,
Sean Allen wrote: > > Seriously though, EST, NYC? Does it make a difference? Central office is NYC. I work all hours. Doesn't much matter to > me. > What is this timezone obsession some people have? Maybe if it wasn't mention, it wasn't considered important? Sorry for turning the thread to an unexpected direction. I'm not obsessed with timezone, and I'm not interested in where the office is at all (I didn't ask it). It was just that our team is also geographically distributed, and it often does matter to know when to expect responses from other members, and setting up typical meeting time, etc. (Unless the applicant is also supposed to work all hours.) It is no fun to wake up 2:30 am and listening in a conference call once a week (or more). -- Yoshiki _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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The point is that in these exchanges you appear as
non-transparent, non-communicative, non responsive, with a short fuse, and
controlling. If it's so difficult for you to answer such a simple question
as "where are you located?", what should be expected to happen in future
exchanges?
You say, what does it matter? If a person asks,
for that person it's important. Your physical address shouldn't be a
secret.
You should have been much more upfront about yourself,
your company, your performance track.
Because it seems to be so much what I would like to be
doing, I have considered to apply for the position, but with so many open
questions, I am puzzled.
Victor
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Re: Gosh, another Delphic Seasider! (was Re: fulltime seaside position)
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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Frank Shearar <[hidden email]> wrote:
I'm so glad to see I'm not the only cushy-Delphi-job interested in Seaside! Yo. _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 2:02 AM, Yoshiki Ohshima <[hidden email]> wrote: At Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:39:59 -0500, Ugh, ok that would be awful. Call me crazy but if I hired someone half way around the world, I would expect them to get up a 2:30 am to attend a conference call. Perhaps that is why the entire idea is just well, foreign to me. _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Victor,
Feel free to ask anything you want. I answered timezone when it was asked. I got annoyed by a question that suggested I was trying to hide the 'where'. I was trying to hide anything, I just never considered it important. I'm willing to answer any questions anyone has. Feel free to contact me off list and ask anything you want. -Sean- On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 2:27 AM, Victor <[hidden email]> wrote:
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