generate a movie?

> I had asked a similar question before, and Kim ran it by the Squeak  
> development group. No easy answers. I have been using the free  
> software Wink (http://www.debugmode.com/wink/) to capture  
> animations to Flash movies. It is based on screen-shot captures,  
> but allows for very nice annotations during movies.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] on behalf of Randy Heiland
> Sent: Sat 2/11/2006 4:10 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc:
> Subject: [Squeakland] generate a movie?
>
>
>
> The presentation I gave yesterday to about 25 Indiana school  
> teachers on
> Squeak went reasonably well.  More to come.  But for starters, one  
> teacher
> who had actually played with Squeak a bit asked if it was possible to
> capture movies within Squeak.  I told her no, I didn't think so,  
> but wanted
> to verify this.  I know the Object Cataglog/Multimedia has the  
> mpegplayer.
> I realize that doing movie capture, in general, can be a bit  
> tricky - with
> multiple formats, quality and frame rate params, etc., not to  
> mention a
> possibly large file as output.  Still, it would be nice to, say,  
> capture
> frames in playfield (start/stop) in some "standard" movie format.
>
> --Randy
>
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>Another of this annoying "It would be nice to have but I don't have
>time for it right now..."-posts:
>
>The current event recorder (found in Objects Presentations) is pixel/
>graphic oriented
>and quite broken, eg. it barks on color-picking or parameter-changing.
>
>A nice feature of an upcoming squeak(land)/tweak version could be the
>possibility
>to log all user actions as high-level-commands like "open supplies
>flap" "drag-n-drop playfield A into world"
>"drag-n-drop playfield B into playfield A" "Open Viewer on B" "Create
>Color Changing Command of B" etc...
>you get the idea.
>
>To record the canonical car-demo, one still would need to log pixel-
>based paint-strokes of fat black tires of course...
>
>An advantage of such a more content and less pixel-oriented approach
>could be more compatibility
>between different images (be it squeakland or squeak-dev) and that
>one could render
>the log into some silent movie or latex/rtf format.
>
>If one could annotate each command with a (spoken) comment, one
>should be able to render
>the whole story into a non silent movie too.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Markus
>
>
>
>
>On Feb 13, 2006, at 4:53 PM, Arvind Grover wrote:
>
> > I had asked a similar question before, and Kim ran it by the Squeak
> > development group. No easy answers. I have been using the free
> > software Wink (http://www.debugmode.com/wink/) to capture
> > animations to Flash movies. It is based on screen-shot captures,
> > but allows for very nice annotations during movies.
> >
> >       -----Original Message-----
> >       From: [hidden email] on behalf of Randy Heiland
> >       Sent: Sat 2/11/2006 4:10 PM
> >       To: [hidden email]
> >       Cc:
> >       Subject: [Squeakland] generate a movie?
> >
> >
> >
> >       The presentation I gave yesterday to about 25 Indiana school
> > teachers on
> >       Squeak went reasonably well.  More to come.  But for starters, one
> > teacher
> >       who had actually played with Squeak a bit asked if it was possible to
> >       capture movies within Squeak.  I told her no, I didn't think so,
> > but wanted
> >       to verify this.  I know the Object Cataglog/Multimedia has the
> > mpegplayer.
> >       I realize that doing movie capture, in general, can be a bit
> > tricky - with
> >       multiple formats, quality and frame rate params, etc., not to
> > mention a
> >       possibly large file as output.  Still, it would be nice to, say,
> > capture
> >       frames in playfield (start/stop) in some "standard" movie format.
> >
> >       --Randy
> >
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> >
> >
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:squeakland-
> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Alan Kay
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:10 AM
> To: Markus Gaelli; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Squeakland] generate a movie?
>
> But, if I read the original question -- it seems that it is about making
> movies that are playable in Squeak from other formats, including those
> that
> cameras use.
>
> There are a variety of SW apps that can do this, and some of them are
> free,
> depending on which platform you have.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Alan
>
> -------------
>
> At 01:18 PM 2/13/2006, Markus Gaelli wrote:
> >Another of this annoying "It would be nice to have but I don't have
> >time for it right now..."-posts:
> >
> >The current event recorder (found in Objects Presentations) is pixel/
> >graphic oriented
> >and quite broken, eg. it barks on color-picking or parameter-changing.
> >
> >A nice feature of an upcoming squeak(land)/tweak version could be the
> >possibility
> >to log all user actions as high-level-commands like "open supplies
> >flap" "drag-n-drop playfield A into world"
> >"drag-n-drop playfield B into playfield A" "Open Viewer on B" "Create
> >Color Changing Command of B" etc...
> >you get the idea.
> >
> >To record the canonical car-demo, one still would need to log pixel-
> >based paint-strokes of fat black tires of course...
> >
> >An advantage of such a more content and less pixel-oriented approach
> >could be more compatibility
> >between different images (be it squeakland or squeak-dev) and that
> >one could render
> >the log into some silent movie or latex/rtf format.
> >
> >If one could annotate each command with a (spoken) comment, one
> >should be able to render
> >the whole story into a non silent movie too.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >Markus
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Feb 13, 2006, at 4:53 PM, Arvind Grover wrote:
> >
> > > I had asked a similar question before, and Kim ran it by the Squeak
> > > development group. No easy answers. I have been using the free
> > > software Wink (http://www.debugmode.com/wink/) to capture
> > > animations to Flash movies. It is based on screen-shot captures,
> > > but allows for very nice annotations during movies.
> > >
> > >       -----Original Message-----
> > >       From: [hidden email] on behalf of Randy
> Heiland
> > >       Sent: Sat 2/11/2006 4:10 PM
> > >       To: [hidden email]
> > >       Cc:
> > >       Subject: [Squeakland] generate a movie?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >       The presentation I gave yesterday to about 25 Indiana school
> > > teachers on
> > >       Squeak went reasonably well.  More to come.  But for starters,
> one
> > > teacher
> > >       who had actually played with Squeak a bit asked if it was
> possible to
> > >       capture movies within Squeak.  I told her no, I didn't think so,
> > > but wanted
> > >       to verify this.  I know the Object Cataglog/Multimedia has the
> > > mpegplayer.
> > >       I realize that doing movie capture, in general, can be a bit
> > > tricky - with
> > >       multiple formats, quality and frame rate params, etc., not to
> > > mention a
> > >       possibly large file as output.  Still, it would be nice to, say,
> > > capture
> > >       frames in playfield (start/stop) in some "standard" movie
> format.
> > >
> > >       --Randy
> > >
> > >       _______________________________________________
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> > >       [hidden email]
> > >       http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland
> > >
> > >
> > >
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>No, actually, the woman/teacher who originally asked this said she'd like to
>take movies generated in Squeak and be able to put them on the web, i.e.
>play in a browser.
>--Randy
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email] [mailto:squeakland-
> > [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Alan Kay
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:10 AM
> > To: Markus Gaelli; [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [Squeakland] generate a movie?
> >
> > But, if I read the original question -- it seems that it is about making
> > movies that are playable in Squeak from other formats, including those
> > that
> > cameras use.
> >
> > There are a variety of SW apps that can do this, and some of them are
> > free,
> > depending on which platform you have.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > -------------
> >
> > At 01:18 PM 2/13/2006, Markus Gaelli wrote:
> > >Another of this annoying "It would be nice to have but I don't have
> > >time for it right now..."-posts:
> > >
> > >The current event recorder (found in Objects Presentations) is pixel/
> > >graphic oriented
> > >and quite broken, eg. it barks on color-picking or parameter-changing.
> > >
> > >A nice feature of an upcoming squeak(land)/tweak version could be the
> > >possibility
> > >to log all user actions as high-level-commands like "open supplies
> > >flap" "drag-n-drop playfield A into world"
> > >"drag-n-drop playfield B into playfield A" "Open Viewer on B" "Create
> > >Color Changing Command of B" etc...
> > >you get the idea.
> > >
> > >To record the canonical car-demo, one still would need to log pixel-
> > >based paint-strokes of fat black tires of course...
> > >
> > >An advantage of such a more content and less pixel-oriented approach
> > >could be more compatibility
> > >between different images (be it squeakland or squeak-dev) and that
> > >one could render
> > >the log into some silent movie or latex/rtf format.
> > >
> > >If one could annotate each command with a (spoken) comment, one
> > >should be able to render
> > >the whole story into a non silent movie too.
> > >
> > >Cheers,
> > >
> > >Markus
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Feb 13, 2006, at 4:53 PM, Arvind Grover wrote:
> > >
> > > > I had asked a similar question before, and Kim ran it by the Squeak
> > > > development group. No easy answers. I have been using the free
> > > > software Wink (http://www.debugmode.com/wink/) to capture
> > > > animations to Flash movies. It is based on screen-shot captures,
> > > > but allows for very nice annotations during movies.
> > > >
> > > >       -----Original Message-----
> > > >       From: [hidden email] on behalf of Randy
> > Heiland
> > > >       Sent: Sat 2/11/2006 4:10 PM
> > > >       To: [hidden email]
> > > >       Cc:
> > > >       Subject: [Squeakland] generate a movie?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >       The presentation I gave yesterday to about 25 Indiana school
> > > > teachers on
> > > >       Squeak went reasonably well.  More to come.  But for starters,
> > one
> > > > teacher
> > > >       who had actually played with Squeak a bit asked if it was
> > possible to
> > > >       capture movies within Squeak.  I told her no, I didn't think so,
> > > > but wanted
> > > >       to verify this.  I know the Object Cataglog/Multimedia has the
> > > > mpegplayer.
> > > >       I realize that doing movie capture, in general, can be a bit
> > > > tricky - with
> > > >       multiple formats, quality and frame rate params, etc., not to
> > > > mention a
> > > >       possibly large file as output.  Still, it would be nice to, say,
> > > > capture
> > > >       frames in playfield (start/stop) in some "standard" movie
> > format.
> > > >
> > > >       --Randy
> > > >
> > > >       _______________________________________________
> > > >       Squeakland mailing list
> > > >       [hidden email]
> > > >       http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> >
> >
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