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Chris Cunnington-3

homepage (was: [squeak-dev] Squeak 4.5 Release Candidate 4)

> I
>could use some reminders about all the steps we need to take, and also
>volunteers to help carry them out.  All-In-One?  Web-site?
>Announcement?  News?  What else?

I do not think you can announce 4.5 on your homepage, as it is defunct.

The wiki interface works, but changes are not retained.

If you like, I can (with Ken's help) install this one:

http://box3.squeak.org:8624

Chris

timrowledge

Re: homepage (was: [squeak-dev] Squeak 4.5 Release Candidate 4)

On 17-02-2014, at 5:56 AM, Chris Cunnington <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> http://box3.squeak.org:8624

As I wrote last january, I like this basic layout and theme. We need more content for it of course, and updated info in many places but I think we should get this online asap.

tim
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Chris Muller-3

Re: homepage (was: [squeak-dev] Squeak 4.5 Release Candidate 4)

In reply to this post by Chris Cunnington-3

Hi Chris! That still says "4.4."

If you are interested and committed to being web-team leader, willing
to keep us up-to-date, looking good, and responsive to the community's
wishes w.r.t. content, I'd vote for that in a heartbeat!

Thanks.

On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Chris Cunnington <[hidden email]> wrote:

>> I
>>could use some reminders about all the steps we need to take, and also
>>volunteers to help carry them out. All-In-One? Web-site?
>>Announcement? News? What else?
>
>
> I do not think you can announce 4.5 on your homepage, as it is defunct.
> The wiki interface works, but changes are not retained.
> If you like, I can (with Ken's help) install this one:
>
> http://box3.squeak.org:8624
>
> Chris
>
>
>

garduino

Re: homepage (was: [squeak-dev] Squeak 4.5 Release Candidate 4)

In reply to this post by Chris Cunnington-3

Hi!

I only see this site now, I like also!

It's concise and the more important, seems to have access to all the needed and important stuff that we search when go to the site.

Also for newbies I think that is good.

2014-02-17 10:56 GMT-03:00 Chris Cunnington <[hidden email]>:

> I
>could use some reminders about all the steps we need to take, and also
>volunteers to help carry them out.  All-In-One?  Web-site?
>Announcement?  News?  What else?
I do not think you can announce 4.5 on your homepage, as it is defunct.
The wiki interface works, but changes are not retained.
If you like, I can (with Ken's help) install this one:

http://box3.squeak.org:8624

Chris

Saludos / Regards,
Germán Arduino
www.arduinosoftware.com

ccrraaiigg

re: homepage

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I like it!

-C

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Darius Clarke

re: homepage

Looks good.

Maybe just a splash more professional elegance, something simple from

https://wrapbootstrap.com/ .

Otherwise ... +1

On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Craig Latta <[hidden email]> wrote:

I like it!

-C

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Darius Clarke

re: homepage

Something like Unify looks appropriate. IMHO.

http://htmlstream.com/preview/unify/

- Darius

Chris Cunnington-3

re: homepage

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>Something like Unify looks appropriate. IMHO.

>http://htmlstream.com/preview/unify/

This is nice. And part of the reason I'm willing to work on the site is to get other people to show me things they know.

Thank you for that. And you did choose one with a carousel, so points for that.

In my opinion that site basically looks professional because it looks busy. Not really my style.

But I'm not who you need to convince. Get other people to buy in.

And bear in mind you need to have a reason for any new feature you add.

It needs to be part of the intent of the site. Features for features sake are not great. Stuff like this:

http://www.chriscunnington.com/socialmediabar.png

isn't what I'd call the highest priority. But if people want that - really, really - well OK.

But bear in mind that although it's your site, it's my time and effort. You can have about half an hour a day.

If you want a radical change, you can have one -- at the rate of half an hour a day.

They say in the printing world: "There is speed, cost, and accuracy. Pick two." You don't have any money.

So you can have cost (zero) and accuracy. But not speed:

So to recap:

1. Get other people to support your idea for squeak.org

2. Choose things that fit into the aim of the site (which could also change).

3. You do not have unlimited resources. Choose what matters. Or, don't. And be extremely patient.

In Apple Notes I have a list called "squeak.org issues". Perhaps you could think of it as a self prioritizing stack.

I like to think what I've said is Project Management 101.

I don't want the bus factor for squeak.org to be 1 indefinitely. I'll work to change that.

But not today.

Chris

timrowledge

re: homepage

As I’ve mentioned I like the general style of http://box3.squeak.org:8624/

In the image carousel we have some images that need updating and checking.

Latest Squeak - obviously a suitable 4.5 snapshot required
Morphic GUI - must be something more interesting than just a workspace and bouncing balls.
Web development - a) ought to be later in the list, b) what are the current web tools?
Code Browsing Tools - ought to refer to browsing & development tools I’d say.
OpenQwaq - should presumably be changed to refer to 3Dicc? And probably ought to be just after Web development in the list.
Etoys - looks ok to me. Any newer more exciting image on offer?
OLPC - is that still a valid entry? I haven’t kept up with olpc
Scratch - still valid
Spoon - any newer image Craig?
Tablets - ok?
Newspeak - probably newer images Eliot?
Raspberry Pi - we could go for a linux UI based image but since that is so vanilla I’d propose keeping the RISC OS picture

I’d suggest changing the order to
latest
morphic
(add) mvc ?
code tools
etoys
scratch
spoon
newspeak
web dev
3dicc
tablets
pi
anything else?

Does clicking on the carousel typically provide links to something about the entry? We need content for them. If we can’t come up with interesting content, why do we think anyone would bother to read the site? Would a simple static list of the same links off to one side be sensible? Once one knows what is in the carousel it is likely quicker to get there via a list rather than wait for it to come around.

Under the carousel there is sensible space for three short columns. I definitely see the first as where to go for downloading. The second should be pretty much as it is - perhaps renamed ‘Join In’ ? How about -
Join In
- Download (link to same download page as first column)
- Join the community
- Documentation
- Development resources

Third column ought to be a couple or three snippets from the weekly squeak feed, or similar.

The across-the-screen menu probably ought to echo the order of the list in the second column (ie download/community/doc/dev and then add blogs/projects/wiki/license) but archive should be linked from the download page.

There’s a lot of content needed to make any sense of it all. It needs to be easy for any interested newcomer to find out what Squeak is, how to get it and how to ‘get it’. It also needs to be quick for habitual users to get to where the latest info is; the newest stable and development releases are probably the most important things and we need to get a decent story together about which sources are correct rather than flailing around trying to grab one part from Jenkins, one from squeakvm.org and another from Idontknowwhere.org.

Chris - what format for submissions would make life simplest?

tim
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Chris Cunnington-3

re: homepage

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There's a lot in that email, so I'll start with what I think is the most important thing.

Owing to Ken's advice and Janko's quick assistance, the webteam board will reopen tomorrow. Then people can throw what ideas at the wall they want.

> In the image carousel we have some images that need updating and checking.

As to images for the carousel, they are 570x330 at 72 dpi. Go nuts. Make ones you want and post'em to the webteam list. We should likely limit the number to ten or twelve or something.

And, yea, they should likely have links as they pass that go to further content. Trying to load each image with where to go for more information is a bit much. I'm not married to any of them.

We can put up whatever people want. 570x330 pixels.

The only one I'm sort of invested in is the Raspberry Pi one, because i went through trouble to make it and then realized I hadn't used any of the tools in the NutPi package, which would have made my life easier. But really that's neither here nor there.

>Does clicking on the carousel typically provide links to something about the entry? We need content for them. If we can’t come up with interesting content, >why do we think anyone would bother to read the site?

>Would a simple static list of the same links off to one side be sensible? Once one knows what is in th>e carousel it is likely quicker to get there via a list rather than wait for it to come around.

Links from images in the carousel to content is a good idea. I just haven't added links at this point.

The Atlantic also uses a Bootstrap carousel, so there are clearly un-exploited options.

http://www.theatlantic.com/

>Under the carousel there is sensible space for three short columns.

I think there's a more pressing problem. Where do you announce something? I have a feeling a section between the carousel and the three short columns needs to be added to announce 4.5's release. A sort of "latest announcements" section.

> Chris - what format for submissions would make life simplest?

The webteam list will be a record for all possible ideas. People can post there and the ideas can be carded into a useful shape.

Ken said he could have a birth for the new image a couple of days. Say what you will: Ken and Janko get it done.

Chris

timrowledge

Re: homepage

I haven’t seen anything back yet from the webteam subscribe doohickey, so you all get to see some prospective screenshots for the carousel
https://www.dropbox.com/s/la5ja1yxdg8hqpp/Scratch4.5-CodeTools.png
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uwunzk7o9bkasn0/Scratch4.5-LatestSqueak.png
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bfaz7jp84flvx0r/Scratch4.5-MorphicGUI.png

I think the filenames make it reasonably obvious which is for what.

tim
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