install TraitsBrowser?

Hi Trygve,

the TraitBrowser as presented in the trait articles does not exist
anymore. You can download an image with it, but it will be an old
Squeak image. I advise you to download a squeak-dev image
http://damien.cassou.free.fr/squeak-dev.html which contains necessary
tools to start working with traits. Feel free to ask any question.


Bye

On Feb 18, 2008 9:52 PM, Trygve Reenskaug [hidden email] wrote:
  

There is an excellent home page for Traits:
   http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~scg/Research/Traits/
It has several very informative articles; it is wonderful to see a
package that is built on solid ground.

I miss one very important piece of information: How do I install the
latest TraitsBrowser?
(I start from Squeak3.10.gamma.7159 with the addition of my own code)

Thanks
--Trygve
--

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Norway



    

Nicolai,
Is it easy for you to give me a file that I can install as a starting point for my own work? That would save me from digging into OmniBrowser and Traits classes before I know I need them.

Cheers
--Trygve

Thank you for your quick answer.

So, no chance to get this browser for current traitsimplementation.

I wrote a small "traitsbrowser" based on omnibrowser-framework. It is
a really cool framework, just some lines of code to get a browser to 
show all traits, which classes and traits using this trait and all selectors
per class or used trait.

But it seems that omnibrowser is basically usable for browsing and editing in a single
place. For refactoring or traitsbased development, it lacks the possiblity 
to have multiple views of different classes, and for example a side-by-side
lists of class selectors to better compare two class structures.
And the navigation pane can only show on "path".
Especially to compare class selectors and a traits "interface" it would
be good to view this side-by-side. Or to see the trait or another class "growing" while
refactoring methods out from one class there.

I know there is an extension for omnibrowser with multiple views. But this
views are again for one single class. 


Nicolai


  

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Hi Nicolai,

The reason why the old browser does not exist anymore is that it was  
part of the initial implementation of Nathanael. Since this  
implementation had grown out of research, it contained many  
experiments etc. Therefore, Nathanael and I did a clean new  
implementation of Traits, that is part of 3.9 now. What we did not do  
is port the old browser extension (which was hackish because of the  
inherent problems of the Morphic browser). There have been various  
efforts to implement new GUI support with OmniBrowser, but AFAIK, none  
has reached the state where it is really stable.

Cheers,
Adrian

On Feb 19, 2008, at 09:26 , Nicolai Hess wrote:

    

After the discussion about traits or no traits I read the paper
"Traits: Tools and Methodology" and was just about to ask the same
question. Where to find this Traitsbrowser. So now why does this
Traitsbrowser not exist anymore? I thought this was very promising.
I know in the devimage are Omnibrowser extensions for traits, the one
button next to "instance, class, ?" to showing traits, and maybe  
some more or
less hidden functions. But this traits view is a bit confusing. For  
example the
class pane slides to the left and what you see in the traitspanel  
isnt always a triat
but the same class.
I also tried the OB-Traitsbrowser(?), is this under further  
development ?. The last
time I installed this browser, it nearly freezes my image with  
terrible long computations
(for the dynamic protocols I think).


Nicolai


      

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Hi Trygve,

the TraitBrowser as presented in the trait articles does not exist
anymore. You can download an image with it, but it will be an old
Squeak image. I advise you to download a squeak-dev image
http://damien.cassou.free.fr/squeak-dev.html which contains necessary
tools to start working with traits. Feel free to ask any question.


Bye

On Feb 18, 2008 9:52 PM, Trygve Reenskaug [hidden email] wrote:
        

There is an excellent home page for Traits:
  http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~scg/Research/Traits/
It has several very informative articles; it is wonderful to see a
package that is built on solid ground.

I miss one very important piece of information: How do I install the
latest TraitsBrowser?
(I start from Squeak3.10.gamma.7159 with the addition of my own  
code)

Thanks
--Trygve
--

Trygve Reenskaug       mailto: [hidden email]

Morgedalsvn. 5A         http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~trygver

N-0378 Oslo               Tel: (+47) 22 49 57 27

Norway



          

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hi Trygve

Just follow what damien said in his email, you will have a working environment.
Let us know if you have problems.

Stef

On Feb 19, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Trygve Reenskaug wrote:

Nicolai,
Is it easy for you to give me a file that I can install as a starting point for my own work? That would save me from digging into OmniBrowser and Traits classes before I know I need them.

Cheers
--Trygve


On 19.02.2008 11:42, Nicolai Hess wrote:

Thank you for your quick answer.

So, no chance to get this browser for current traitsimplementation.

I wrote a small "traitsbrowser" based on omnibrowser-framework. It is
a really cool framework, just some lines of code to get a browser to
show all traits, which classes and traits using this trait and all selectors
per class or used trait.

But it seems that omnibrowser is basically usable for browsing and editing in a single
place. For refactoring or traitsbased development, it lacks the possiblity
to have multiple views of different classes, and for example a side-by-side
lists of class selectors to better compare two class structures.
And the navigation pane can only show on "path".
Especially to compare class selectors and a traits "interface" it would
be good to view this side-by-side. Or to see the trait or another class "growing" while
refactoring methods out from one class there.

I know there is an extension for omnibrowser with multiple views. But this
views are again for one single class.


Nicolai

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Von: The general-purpose Squeak developers list [hidden email]
Gesendet: 19.02.08 10:50:36
An: The general-purpose Squeak developers list [hidden email]
Betreff: Re: install TraitsBrowser?

Hi Nicolai,

The reason why the old browser does not exist anymore is that it was
part of the initial implementation of Nathanael. Since this
implementation had grown out of research, it contained many
experiments etc. Therefore, Nathanael and I did a clean new
implementation of Traits, that is part of 3.9 now. What we did not do
is port the old browser extension (which was hackish because of the
inherent problems of the Morphic browser). There have been various
efforts to implement new GUI support with OmniBrowser, but AFAIK, none
has reached the state where it is really stable.

Cheers,
Adrian

On Feb 19, 2008, at 09:26 , Nicolai Hess wrote:

After the discussion about traits or no traits I read the paper
"Traits: Tools and Methodology" and was just about to ask the same
question. Where to find this Traitsbrowser. So now why does this
Traitsbrowser not exist anymore? I thought this was very promising.
I know in the devimage are Omnibrowser extensions for traits, the one
button next to "instance, class, ?" to showing traits, and maybe
some more or
less hidden functions. But this traits view is a bit confusing. For
example the
class pane slides to the left and what you see in the traitspanel
isnt always a triat
but the same class.
I also tried the OB-Traitsbrowser(?), is this under further
development ?. The last
time I installed this browser, it nearly freezes my image with
terrible long computations
(for the dynamic protocols I think).


Nicolai

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: The general-purpose Squeak developers list <[hidden email]

Gesendet: 19.02.08 07:44:00
An: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list" <[hidden email]

Betreff: Re: install TraitsBrowser?

Hi Trygve,

the TraitBrowser as presented in the trait articles does not exist
anymore. You can download an image with it, but it will be an old
Squeak image. I advise you to download a squeak-dev image
http://damien.cassou.free.fr/squeak-dev.html which contains necessary
tools to start working with traits. Feel free to ask any question.


Bye

On Feb 18, 2008 9:52 PM, Trygve Reenskaug [hidden email] wrote:

There is an excellent home page for Traits:
  http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~scg/Research/Traits/
It has several very informative articles; it is wonderful to see a
package that is built on solid ground.

I miss one very important piece of information: How do I install the
latest TraitsBrowser?
(I start from Squeak3.10.gamma.7159 with the addition of my own
code)

Thanks
--Trygve
--

Trygve Reenskaug       mailto: [hidden email]

Morgedalsvn. 5A         http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~trygver

N-0378 Oslo               Tel: (+47) 22 49 57 27

Norway

-- 
Damien Cassou

_____________________________________________________________________
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On Feb 20, 2008 11:23 AM, Trygve Reenskaug [hidden email] wrote:
  

 Damien, Stephane
     OB System Browser worked at first try and looks exciting. (I've already
fixed what looked like a type error)
    

What type error?

-- 
  

Hi Trygve,

On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Trygve Reenskaug [hidden email] wrote:
  

 It was the classical Smalltalk error: an uninitialized inst.var. (nil
instead of a Boolean).

 The error occurred when I first opened OBSystemBrowser. hasChanges was nil
when it shouldn't be; I think this was the failing method.
    

I've never seen this error. What is your image and how did you install
OmniBrowser on it?

  

 A comment: I like to add an empty initialize method to Object so that all
other initialize methods can start with super initialize.
    

Always sending 'super initialize' is a good habit. But #initialize is
already implemented in ProtoObject so there is no need to implement it
in Object.