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interactive story and Croquet

Justin Gibbs
We recently started the TapBot.org project to bring interactive story to Croquet and the Metaverse. It's our belief that interactive story will be the killer app of the Metaverse.

Over the years there have been a few efforts to create an interactive story platform. Most have been monumental efforts, such as Chris Cawford's Storytron, and are still in development. We're trying to avoid a similar fate by relying on Croquet and the Metaverse for virtual world dynamics so we can keep TapBot's focus on building a lite story logic engine.

We're familiar with the Croquet TVML project and hope to integrate some or all the work McCahill's group is doing with NPCs. Is anyone familiar with other efforts to bring interactive story to Croquet or similar projects?

We're also leveraging AIML (http://www.alicebot.org/) for natural language support, is anyone working with Croquet and AIML?

Thanks,
Justin
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Re: interactive story and Croquet

Andreas.Raab
Hi Justin -

Good luck with your project. One thing I noticed looking at your site is
that you list GPLv3 as the license of choice for your software. This
will be problematic for combining it with Croquet (which itself comes
under a plain MIT-style license) so it may be advantageous to choose a
less restrictive license for any software you produce (MIT and BSD are
fine choices). Just something to be aware about (and no, I'm not trying
to start a license flamewar here but having been involved in relicensing
efforts it's good thing to make a safe choice before you have two dozen
developers ;-)

Cheers,
   - Andreas

Justin Gibbs wrote:

> We recently started the TapBot.org project to bring interactive story to
> Croquet and the Metaverse. It's our belief that interactive story will
> be the killer app of the Metaverse.
>
> Over the years there have been a few efforts to create an interactive
> story platform. Most have been monumental efforts, such as Chris
> Cawford's Storytron, and are still in development. We're trying to avoid
> a similar fate by relying on Croquet and the Metaverse for virtual world
> dynamics so we can keep TapBot's focus on building a lite story logic
> engine.
>
> We're familiar with the Croquet TVML project and hope to integrate some
> or all the work McCahill's group is doing with NPCs. Is anyone familiar
> with other efforts to bring interactive story to Croquet or similar
> projects?
>
> We're also leveraging AIML (http://www.alicebot.org/) for natural
> language support, is anyone working with Croquet and AIML?
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
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Internet connection

Andrew Burrell
Hi All,

I too have been having trouble connecting to a world outside of my  
local network.

After reading through the discussion of earlier this month I am  
seeking some further insight.

I can run the KAT demo and connect from different machines on the  
local network but cannot connect to the external server. If I read  
previous posts correctly I should be able to connect even though the  
computer is connected to the internet via a NAT router.

I get no errors when i connect locally, but get the following error  
when i attempt to connect over the net:

"Error: KMedia2DContainer has changed class format"

when i connect locally and choose " Connect to another world" all of  
the router addresses that i get for nearby worlds are my machines  
local address?

If on the other hand I try to connect using the SimpleDemo method and  
choose "view known worlds" I get an empty dialogue coming up that  
does not list anything.

I have only been playing with croquet for a week, so i expect i am  
missing something fundamental, but i have read through all of the  
documentation i have found and many of the list posts.

thanks heaps
andrew burrell
http://www.miscellanea.com




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Re: Internet connection

Howard Stearns-3
I've FINALLY added a help section to http://croquetconsortium.org/ 
index.php/Croquet_Collaborative#Help

In this case, the error you're seeing is because one of classes has  
changed format. There have been a few bug fixes to the KAT and other  
code.
The collaborative is running with those fixes.
You can update your image as described here: http://
croquetconsortium.org/index.php/Keeping_Image_Current
Or you can get an updated image here: http://
www.croquetcollaborative.org/wordpress/?page_id=5

The "view known worlds" in SimpleDemo is a different mechanism, but I  
believe it only initially knows about stuff on your Local Area  
Network. See <a href="http://croquetconsortium.org/index.php/WAN/LAN%">http://croquetconsortium.org/index.php/WAN/LAN% 
2C_Connecting_and_Discovery

On Aug 21, 2007, at 7:52 PM, Andrew Burrell wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I too have been having trouble connecting to a world outside of my  
> local network.
>
> After reading through the discussion of earlier this month I am  
> seeking some further insight.
>
> I can run the KAT demo and connect from different machines on the  
> local network but cannot connect to the external server. If I read  
> previous posts correctly I should be able to connect even though  
> the computer is connected to the internet via a NAT router.
>
> I get no errors when i connect locally, but get the following error  
> when i attempt to connect over the net:
>
> "Error: KMedia2DContainer has changed class format"
>
> when i connect locally and choose " Connect to another world" all  
> of the router addresses that i get for nearby worlds are my  
> machines local address?
>
> If on the other hand I try to connect using the SimpleDemo method  
> and choose "view known worlds" I get an empty dialogue coming up  
> that does not list anything.
>
> I have only been playing with croquet for a week, so i expect i am  
> missing something fundamental, but i have read through all of the  
> documentation i have found and many of the list posts.
>
> thanks heaps
> andrew burrell
> http://www.miscellanea.com
>
>
>
>

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Re: interactive story and Croquet

Justin Gibbs
In reply to this post by Andreas.Raab
Andreas,

Thanks for the heads up. As part of TapBot we're also integrating and modifying AIML (http://www.alicebot.org/), and it falls under a GPL license. I've read that you can take a piece of MIT code, incorporate it into a GPL program, and release everything under the GPL. However I believe the GPL would restrict you from going the opposite direction. Am I correct about that?

Thanks,
justin

On 21/08/07, Andreas Raab <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Justin -

Good luck with your project. One thing I noticed looking at your site is
that you list GPLv3 as the license of choice for your software. This
will be problematic for combining it with Croquet (which itself comes
under a plain MIT-style license) so it may be advantageous to choose a
less restrictive license for any software you produce (MIT and BSD are
fine choices). Just something to be aware about (and no, I'm not trying
to start a license flamewar here but having been involved in relicensing
efforts it's good thing to make a safe choice before you have two dozen
developers ;-)

Cheers,
   - Andreas

Justin Gibbs wrote:

> We recently started the TapBot.org project to bring interactive story to
> Croquet and the Metaverse. It's our belief that interactive story will
> be the killer app of the Metaverse.
>
> Over the years there have been a few efforts to create an interactive
> story platform. Most have been monumental efforts, such as Chris
> Cawford's Storytron, and are still in development. We're trying to avoid
> a similar fate by relying on Croquet and the Metaverse for virtual world
> dynamics so we can keep TapBot's focus on building a lite story logic
> engine.
>
> We're familiar with the Croquet TVML project and hope to integrate some
> or all the work McCahill's group is doing with NPCs. Is anyone familiar
> with other efforts to bring interactive story to Croquet or similar
> projects?
>
> We're also leveraging AIML (http://www.alicebot.org/) for natural
> language support, is anyone working with Croquet and AIML?
>
> Thanks,
> Justin

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Re: interactive story and Croquet

Andreas.Raab
That is correct. As a consequence it means that we'll avoid integrating
any code that is GPLed because the end result would only be
redistributable under GPL and numerous people (incl. myself) feel that
this restricts the code too much.

Cheers,
   - Andreas

Justin Gibbs wrote:

> Andreas,
>
> Thanks for the heads up. As part of TapBot we're also integrating and
> modifying AIML (http://www.alicebot.org/), and it falls under a GPL
> license. I've read that you can take a piece of MIT code, incorporate it
> into a GPL program, and release everything under the GPL. However I
> believe the GPL would restrict you from going the opposite direction. Am
> I correct about that?
>
> Thanks,
> justin
>
> On 21/08/07, * Andreas Raab* <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Justin -
>
>     Good luck with your project. One thing I noticed looking at your site is
>     that you list GPLv3 as the license of choice for your software. This
>     will be problematic for combining it with Croquet (which itself comes
>     under a plain MIT-style license) so it may be advantageous to choose a
>     less restrictive license for any software you produce (MIT and BSD are
>     fine choices). Just something to be aware about (and no, I'm not trying
>     to start a license flamewar here but having been involved in relicensing
>     efforts it's good thing to make a safe choice before you have two dozen
>     developers ;-)
>
>     Cheers,
>        - Andreas
>
>     Justin Gibbs wrote:
>      > We recently started the TapBot.org project to bring interactive
>     story to
>      > Croquet and the Metaverse. It's our belief that interactive story
>     will
>      > be the killer app of the Metaverse.
>      >
>      > Over the years there have been a few efforts to create an
>     interactive
>      > story platform. Most have been monumental efforts, such as Chris
>      > Cawford's Storytron, and are still in development. We're trying
>     to avoid
>      > a similar fate by relying on Croquet and the Metaverse for
>     virtual world
>      > dynamics so we can keep TapBot's focus on building a lite story logic
>      > engine.
>      >
>      > We're familiar with the Croquet TVML project and hope to
>     integrate some
>      > or all the work McCahill's group is doing with NPCs. Is anyone
>     familiar
>      > with other efforts to bring interactive story to Croquet or similar
>      > projects?
>      >
>      > We're also leveraging AIML (http://www.alicebot.org/) for natural
>      > language support, is anyone working with Croquet and AIML?
>      >
>      > Thanks,
>      > Justin
>
>