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Hi people: This is my first post in this list :) I am starting a personal web site for informal tourism in Argentina. The intention is not to do money but have fun with a friend of mine that studies tourism. In the website, there are lots of thing that would be very nice and fast to do it with pier (I've been playing with it and seems to be wonderful): posts, blogs, wiki pages, and so on. However, I have others "requirements" that are very specific and they are not like CMS....So, I start looking to Pier (I already know something about seaside). And I have some questions:
1) Pier persistence. I think I can use image and magma persistence. Is this right? Is somewhere explain it how to do it with magma? 2) My application has its own "business" objects like destinies, user, companies, trips, and so on. So, I need persistence for this model. Here, can I use whatever I want? I want to test squeakDBX for example, can I use it ? regarding of the effort of this? Or I must use the persistence strategy I use for Pier ? 3) Suppose there are users that can register in my site, and there is a crud of User. But, that's MY User. I mean, User class will have attributes of MY application. However, I still need a user for Pier, so that to let the user post, create blogs, etc....How can I do this? 4) As I said I have requirements that are not related with CMS. How can I do them? Create my own seaside component? extends PRComponent? How can I add my component to a pier component then ? In fact, the main question is, can I easily have requirements that are not Pier using Pier hahah? 5) What's the pier-omnibrowser ? what is for ? Documentation somewhere? 6) How can I change Pier styles (css). For example, I would like to change the height of the div of the header. Or the bottoms of the menu. Or put a background in all the site. 7) Is there some tutorial ? That's all for now. I am very exited with Pier and hope to use it :) Ahh I use Pier 1.1. Cheers, Mariano _______________________________________________ SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki |
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2009/3/17 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>:
> Hi people: This is my first post in this list :) I am starting a personal > web site for informal tourism in Argentina. The intention is not to do money > but have fun with a friend of mine that studies tourism. In the website, > there are lots of thing that would be very nice and fast to do it with pier > (I've been playing with it and seems to be wonderful): posts, blogs, wiki > pages, and so on. However, I have others "requirements" that are very > specific and they are not like CMS....So, I start looking to Pier (I already > know something about seaside). And I have some questions: > > 1) Pier persistence. I think I can use image and magma persistence. Is this > right? Is somewhere explain it how to do it with magma? > > 2) My application has its own "business" objects like destinies, user, > companies, trips, and so on. So, I need persistence for this model. Here, > can I use whatever I want? I want to test squeakDBX for example, can I use > it ? regarding of the effort of this? Or I must use the persistence strategy > I use for Pier ? > > 3) Suppose there are users that can register in my site, and there is a crud > of User. But, that's MY User. I mean, User class will have attributes of MY > application. However, I still need a user for Pier, so that to let the user > post, create blogs, etc....How can I do this? > > 4) As I said I have requirements that are not related with CMS. How can I do > them? Create my own seaside component? extends PRComponent? How can I add my > component to a pier component then ? In fact, the main question is, can I > easily have requirements that are not Pier using Pier hahah? > > 5) What's the pier-omnibrowser ? what is for ? Documentation somewhere? > > 6) How can I change Pier styles (css). For example, I would like to change > the height of the div of the header. Or the bottoms of the menu. Or put a > background in all the site. > > 7) Is there some tutorial ? > > That's all for now. I am very exited with Pier and hope to use it :) Just to make sure, you actually use the CMS functionality of Pier, don't you? Because otherwise you'll probably be better off using just Seaside + Magritte. Cheers Philippe _______________________________________________ SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki |
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Excellent question :) Actually that was my bigger question. For now, I think I have. I mean, I will have simple pages (would be nicer and faster to do it with pier than from smalltalk), blogs and posts. Furthermore, I thought extending Blog in something like Review. I would like people can post places, destinations, travels, trips or whatever, and let users to vote them (something like IMDB but for tourism). But...nothing is said, and I am free to do what I want....Because of this I want to know all the alternatives. Cheers, Mariano
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> 1) Pier persistence. I think I can use image and magma persistence. Is this
> right? Is somewhere explain it how to do it with magma? I am using the image persistency and I also started to do some work on image segment persistency, but this hasn't been well tested yet. Since the last release it is also possible to export the Pier model using reference streams, however I do not suggest to use that as a persistency mechanism because it is rather slow. > 2) My application has its own "business" objects like destinies, user, > companies, trips, and so on. So, I need persistence for this model. Here, > can I use whatever I want? I want to test squeakDBX for example, can I use > it ? regarding of the effort of this? Or I must use the persistence strategy > I use for Pier ? That can be combined, you just need to make sure that the two persistency strategies > 3) Suppose there are users that can register in my site, and there is a crud > of User. But, that's MY User. I mean, User class will have attributes of MY > application. However, I still need a user for Pier, so that to let the user > post, create blogs, etc....How can I do this? Have a look at PUUser and make your user polymorphic. There should be no problem injecting that into Pier. > 4) As I said I have requirements that are not related with CMS. How can I do > them? Create my own seaside component? extends PRComponent? How can I add my Create your own components. It is not necessary to subclass PRComponent. > component to a pier component then ? In fact, the main question is, can I > easily have requirements that are not Pier using Pier hahah? Add to a page an embedded link like +mycomponent+, click on that link, select "add component", select the name of your Seaside component class and your component is within Pier. > 5) What's the pier-omnibrowser ? what is for ? Documentation somewhere? Pier is independent of Seaside, most people (including me) mostly use it together with Seaside. However that's not a requirement and other views can be used instead. Pier-OmniBrowser is view for Morphic using the OmniBrowser framework to edit and view a Pier model. It is mentioned for example in my Master Thesis (http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~scg/Archive/Diploma/Reng06a.pdf, Section 3.4.1) or in this short proposal (http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~scg/Archive/Reports/Reng07c.pdf). > 6) How can I change Pier styles (css). For example, I would like to change > the height of the div of the header. Or the bottoms of the menu. Or put a > background in all the site. The "Edit Design" command lets you edit the CSS style-sheet. Also you can use the mechanisms of Seaside, e.g. WAFileLibrary or #style methods. > 7) Is there some tutorial ? www.piercms.com contains a growing collection of documentation, tutorials, videos, blogs, examples, etc. > That's all for now. I am very exited with Pier and hope to use it :) Please keep your questions rolling! Cheers, Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch _______________________________________________ SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki |
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I agree Pier ROCKS! I will answer what I can
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote: Hi people: This is my first post in this list :) I am starting a personal web site for informal tourism in Argentina. The intention is not to do money but have fun with a friend of mine that studies tourism. In the website, there are lots of thing that would be very nice and fast to do it with pier (I've been playing with it and seems to be wonderful): posts, blogs, wiki pages, and so on. However, I have others "requirements" that are very specific and they are not like CMS....So, I start looking to Pier (I already know something about seaside). And I have some questions:
If you use Magma you propbably won't need any database as Magma is an Object "database"
this one is trickier i think. I have overridden WASession and added a user variable for my user requirements, then in the config screen (in the Web Browser) there is a place to override the default Session with your own subclass. In Pier there is a PUUser class but I don't think it so easy to get Pier to use a subclass, so that may not suit your purposes.
Any Seaside component can be added to a page by overriding canBeRoot to return true. Then whe you use the Add command in Pier select Component from the drop down, when it asks you which component in the frop down you should see your component near the bottom of the list under the Seaside category. Select it and save and BOOM! it show up. Really cool. This is what sold me on looking at Pier in the first place. It made all my wonky looking seaside components look like professional web pages. The built in CSS helped ALOT in that regard as well. Also, look into using Magritte to describe your objects it makes things MUCH easier down the road.
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On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Lukas Renggli <[hidden email]> wrote:
Excellent. I will use image persistence then. I also so your post of export and import from images!
Perfect.
Ok. I will look at PUUser and see. Perhaps I can do a inheritance. I will see...
Ok, perfect.
Nice. Very simple :)
Ahh okok. I will also read pdf. Thanks
That's the main problem. I do not see "Edit design" command :( I am admin and have all the permissions, but I don't see it.
Cool.
Ok, Believe me I will do it haha. Thanks for all the help :) Greetings, Mariano
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Ahh you are using v1.1 You want to update the Pier code using Monticello and the repository http://source.lukas-renggli.ch/pier (I found its a good idea to keep an eye on the other repositories as well. /seaside /magritte and /pier as well as /pieraddons and /magritteaddons if use any of the addons.
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But in that case how can you map your user to pier user ?
Exclent :)
Yes. Reading about magritte is also in my todo list :) _______________________________________________ SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki |
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On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 6:31 PM, John McKeon <[hidden email]> wrote:
So ?
I would like to update trought Universe rather than MC. I don't know the dependences of each package and I also do not know in which order I have to do it. Is there an script to do this with mc ? _______________________________________________ SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki |
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On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote:
That is what is not as easy. Not as easy as creating a subclass of WASession with an instance var to hold an instance of YOUR user class. this can be referred to from any seaside component by callng self session (or self session user if that is the name of the instance var to get a reference of your user object). You simply tell seaside to use your session class in your application;s config page. Lukas mentioned that you could subclass PUUser but I am not sure where you would tell Pier to create instances of your subclass rather than PUUser. _______________________________________________ SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki |
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On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote:
The latest version 1.1.1 has it built in. Version 1.1 you need to add it. I don't think it was in that version. It is in the Pier-Design package which is in the pieraddons repository.
In universes, select Web Development and Pier-Design and add that. You MAY have to manually add the command to the environment.
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Have a look at the client framework. in squeaksource.com/Jetsam This is
an attempt to provide good boundaries between ui and backends. It provides a framework for extending Pier and Seaside in a modular fashion. The idea is to be able to publish a module in sections, for Front end and Backend. For example: Front End "User Management (for Pier)", and Back End "User Management for MySql" The interface between them is the "Client" which you subclass for each specific installation (i.e. the client who wants the project) where you provide your specific mappings between the front and back-ends. The client instance also provides the ability to switch between mock/live/test backend repositories. The user management module will receive a major overhaul in the next couple of days, but you can see how pier users are connected to real users. I define Pier users as "roles" for the real users. I.e. the pier users managed in pier defines the access rights for a group of real users, and a pier user is used as a template for instanciating a temporary PUUser instance which represents the real user. When the real user is logged in, any user data from the backend is added as a property to the current Session. (Yes I know that WASession doesnt support properties, but it should and with Jetsam-Helpers it does) Keith _______________________________________________ SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki |
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> Lukas mentioned that you could subclass PUUser but I am not sure where you
> would tell Pier to create instances of your subclass rather than PUUser. Pier does not create new users unless you ask it to do so from one of the system widgets. The list of available users is stored in the kernel, normally it is a collection of PUUser instances but you can certainly add other instances in there. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch _______________________________________________ SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki |
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Hi,
The Edit Design is present since the 1.0.17. You should see it when you log in as admin. What commands do you actually see after logging in? Cheers, Doru On 17 Mar 2009, at 22:02, John McKeon wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email] > > wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 6:31 PM, John McKeon <[hidden email]> > wrote: > > > The "Edit Design" command lets you edit the CSS style-sheet. Also you > can use the mechanisms of Seaside, e.g. WAFileLibrary or #style > methods. > > That's the main problem. I do not see "Edit design" command :( I > am admin and have all the permissions, but I don't see it. > > Ahh you are using v1.1 > > So ? > The latest version 1.1.1 has it built in. Version 1.1 you need to > add it. I don't think it was in that version. > It is in the Pier-Design package which is in the pieraddons > repository. > > > > > You want to update the Pier code using Monticello and the repository http://source.lukas-renggli.ch/pier > (I found its a good idea to keep an eye on the other repositories > as well. /seaside /magritte and /pier as well as /pieraddons and / > magritteaddons if use any of the addons. > > I would like to update trought Universe rather than MC. I don't know > the dependences of each package and I also do not know in which > order I have to do it. Is there an script to do this with mc ? > > > In universes, select Web Development and Pier-Design and add that. > You MAY have to manually add the command to the environment. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki > > > _______________________________________________ > SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki -- www.tudorgirba.com "If you interrupt the barber while he is cutting your hair, you will end up with a messy haircut." _______________________________________________ SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki |
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> 7) Is there some tutorial ? There are some screencasts here: http://www.piercms.com/doc/screencasts Also a number of questions are answered here: http://www.piercms.com/doc/faq Cheers, Doru -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow." _______________________________________________ SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki |
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Hi again :),
> 5) What's the pier-omnibrowser ? what is for ? Documentation > somewhere? Pier-Omnibrowser offers you a browser in Squeak for the Pier objects. It is useful for administration purposes. Cheers, Doru -- www.tudorgirba.com "What is more important: To be happy, or to make happy?" _______________________________________________ SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki |
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On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote: Hi, Which is the easiest way of knowing what version I have ? I am using Damien's PharoWeb imagen...
Tonight I answer this :)
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Hi,
> The Edit Design is present since the 1.0.17. You should see it when > you log in as admin. > > Which is the easiest way of knowing what version I have ? I am using > Damien's PharoWeb imagen... This is probably your problem. I do not know what gets released in Damien's image. When we refer to versions, we refer to the images released on www.piercms.com/download. I would suggest to use these ones for starters. Cheers, Doru > > What commands do you actually see after logging in? > > Tonight I answer this :) > > > Cheers, > Doru > > > > On 17 Mar 2009, at 22:02, John McKeon wrote: > > > > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email] > > wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 6:31 PM, John McKeon <[hidden email]> > wrote: > > > The "Edit Design" command lets you edit the CSS style-sheet. Also you > can use the mechanisms of Seaside, e.g. WAFileLibrary or #style > methods. > > That's the main problem. I do not see "Edit design" command :( I > am admin and have all the permissions, but I don't see it. > > Ahh you are using v1.1 > > So ? > The latest version 1.1.1 has it built in. Version 1.1 you need to > add it. I don't think it was in that version. > It is in the Pier-Design package which is in the pieraddons > repository. > > > > > You want to update the Pier code using Monticello and the repository http://source.lukas-renggli.ch/pier > (I found its a good idea to keep an eye on the other repositories > as well. /seaside /magritte and /pier as well as /pieraddons and / > magritteaddons if use any of the addons. > > I would like to update trought Universe rather than MC. I don't know > the dependences of each package and I also do not know in which > order I have to do it. Is there an script to do this with mc ? > > > In universes, select Web Development and Pier-Design and add that. > You MAY have to manually add the command to the environment. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki > > > _______________________________________________ > SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "If you interrupt the barber while he is cutting your hair, you will > end up with a messy haircut." > > > > _______________________________________________ > SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki > > > _______________________________________________ > SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki -- www.tudorgirba.com "Obvious things are difficult to teach." _______________________________________________ SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki |
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On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Which is the easiest way of knowing what version I have ? I am using >> Damien's PharoWeb imagen... My images always come with latest version on universe. What's the image name? -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st _______________________________________________ SmallWiki, Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ... https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/smallwiki |
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On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Damien Cassou <[hidden email]> wrote:
pharo0.1-10243dev09.02.3 thanks! mariano
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