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EstebanLM

Re: macOS Sierra support

> On 14 Nov 2016, at 11:01, MartinW <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Can someone put a note to the website (http://pharo.org/download)? It is
> frustrating for users to follow the link to
> http://files.pharo.org/platform/Pharo5.0-mac.zip from there and get a
> defunct Pharo installation.

no, in fact that link should work.
… and in fact, it works… is just that due the changes in sierra, the bundle needs to be put in /Applications to not be copied into a sandbox, readonly place.

I’m working on have this working in a different way: is time to make PharoLauncher the default download. That way it will be in /Applications naturally and your images will be in a correct place naturally (I also would like a “add command line tools” option to install a pharo and pharo-ui in /usr/local/bin).

Esteban

>
>
> Sean P. DeNigris wrote
>>
>> EstebanLM wrote
>>> the regular download by zeroconf should give you an usable VM.
>> That worked - thanks!
>
> Yes, this VM works well :)
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EstebanLM

Re: macOS Sierra support

for the moment, I added this nice (?) alert when you press mac download button:

On 14 Nov 2016, at 11:30, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 14 Nov 2016, at 11:01, MartinW <[hidden email]> wrote:

Can someone put a note to the website (http://pharo.org/download)? It is
frustrating for users to follow the link to
http://files.pharo.org/platform/Pharo5.0-mac.zip from there and get a
defunct Pharo installation.

no, in fact that link should work.
… and in fact, it works… is just that due the changes in sierra, the bundle needs to be put in /Applications to not be copied into a sandbox, readonly place.

I’m working on have this working in a different way: is time to make PharoLauncher the default download. That way it will be in /Applications naturally and your images will be in a correct place naturally (I also would like a “add command line tools” option to install a pharo and pharo-ui in /usr/local/bin).

Esteban

Sean P. DeNigris wrote

EstebanLM wrote
the regular download by zeroconf should give you an usable VM.
That worked - thanks!

Yes, this VM works well :)

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kilon.alios

Re: macOS Sierra support

In reply to this post by EstebanLM

This is weird but I have never experienced this "sandbox" thing

I have Sierra, updated to the latest and when I download this zip to my downloads folder, I uncompress it and double click the application without moving to the application folder it works without doing anything additionally or complaining about it.

I am almost always do this with applications I download because I like to test them before copying them to the application folder. Never had any issues.

So apparently my Sierra loves me :D

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 12:31 PM Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 14 Nov 2016, at 11:01, MartinW <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Can someone put a note to the website (http://pharo.org/download)? It is
> frustrating for users to follow the link to
> http://files.pharo.org/platform/Pharo5.0-mac.zip from there and get a
> defunct Pharo installation.

no, in fact that link should work.
… and in fact, it works… is just that due the changes in sierra, the bundle needs to be put in /Applications to not be copied into a sandbox, readonly place.

I’m working on have this working in a different way: is time to make PharoLauncher the default download. That way it will be in /Applications naturally and your images will be in a correct place naturally (I also would like a “add command line tools” option to install a pharo and pharo-ui in /usr/local/bin).

Esteban

>
>
> Sean P. DeNigris wrote
>>
>> EstebanLM wrote
>>> the regular download by zeroconf should give you an usable VM.
>> That worked - thanks!
>
> Yes, this VM works well :)
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/macOS-Sierra-support-tp4917181p4922891.html
> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>

Tudor Girba-2

Re: macOS Sierra support

In reply to this post by EstebanLM

Hi,

Looks good. I would only add explicitly that we are talking about Apple’s security policies.

“… Due to changes in security policies of MacOS …”

Cheers,
Doru

> On Nov 14, 2016, at 11:36 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> for the moment, I added this nice (?) alert when you press mac download button:
>
> <Screen Shot 2016-11-14 at 11.35.13.png>
>
>> On 14 Nov 2016, at 11:30, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On 14 Nov 2016, at 11:01, MartinW <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Can someone put a note to the website (http://pharo.org/download)? It is
>>> frustrating for users to follow the link to
>>> http://files.pharo.org/platform/Pharo5.0-mac.zip from there and get a
>>> defunct Pharo installation.
>>
>> no, in fact that link should work.
>> … and in fact, it works… is just that due the changes in sierra, the bundle needs to be put in /Applications to not be copied into a sandbox, readonly place.
>>
>> I’m working on have this working in a different way: is time to make PharoLauncher the default download. That way it will be in /Applications naturally and your images will be in a correct place naturally (I also would like a “add command line tools” option to install a pharo and pharo-ui in /usr/local/bin).
>>
>> Esteban
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sean P. DeNigris wrote
>>>>
>>>> EstebanLM wrote
>>>>> the regular download by zeroconf should give you an usable VM.
>>>> That worked - thanks!
>>>
>>> Yes, this VM works well :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/macOS-Sierra-support-tp4917181p4922891.html
>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>
>>
>

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EstebanLM

Re: macOS Sierra support

done

> On 14 Nov 2016, at 13:46, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Looks good. I would only add explicitly that we are talking about Apple’s security policies.
>
> “… Due to changes in security policies of MacOS …”
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
>> On Nov 14, 2016, at 11:36 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> for the moment, I added this nice (?) alert when you press mac download button:
>>
>> <Screen Shot 2016-11-14 at 11.35.13.png>
>>
>>> On 14 Nov 2016, at 11:30, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 14 Nov 2016, at 11:01, MartinW <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Can someone put a note to the website (http://pharo.org/download)? It is
>>>> frustrating for users to follow the link to
>>>> http://files.pharo.org/platform/Pharo5.0-mac.zip from there and get a
>>>> defunct Pharo installation.
>>>
>>> no, in fact that link should work.
>>> … and in fact, it works… is just that due the changes in sierra, the bundle needs to be put in /Applications to not be copied into a sandbox, readonly place.
>>>
>>> I’m working on have this working in a different way: is time to make PharoLauncher the default download. That way it will be in /Applications naturally and your images will be in a correct place naturally (I also would like a “add command line tools” option to install a pharo and pharo-ui in /usr/local/bin).
>>>
>>> Esteban
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sean P. DeNigris wrote
>>>>>
>>>>> EstebanLM wrote
>>>>>> the regular download by zeroconf should give you an usable VM.
>>>>> That worked - thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Yes, this VM works well :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/macOS-Sierra-support-tp4917181p4922891.html
>>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>
>>>
>>
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MartinW

Re: macOS Sierra support

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If I try to start the Pharo from the Download page e.g. from my Desktop I get the following information:

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Pharo cannot write to the changes file named /private/var/folders/9p/h6h_ntqs2gs9kztvdp9mrm1m0000gn/T/AppTranslocation/1CA39D30-C5A9-4599-82F0-8FFA46606D5B/d/Pharo5.0.app/Contents/Resources/Pharo5.0.changes.

Please check that you have write permission for this file.

You won't be able to save this image correctly until you fix this.
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And Pharo does not work at all, because it tries to write to changes all the time, of course.
The hint on the Website looks good.

kilon.alios wrote

This is weird but I have never experienced this "sandbox" thing

I have Sierra, updated to the latest and when I download this zip to my
downloads folder, I uncompress it and double click the application without
moving to the application folder it works without doing anything
additionally or complaining about it.

I am almost always do this with applications I download because I like to
test them before copying them to the application folder. Never had any
issues.

So apparently my Sierra loves me :D

stepharo

Re: macOS Sierra support

In reply to this post by EstebanLM

Good

Le 14/11/16 à 11:36, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :

for the moment, I added this nice (?) alert when you press mac download button:

On 14 Nov 2016, at 11:30, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 14 Nov 2016, at 11:01, MartinW <[hidden email]> wrote:

Can someone put a note to the website (http://pharo.org/download)? It is
frustrating for users to follow the link to
http://files.pharo.org/platform/Pharo5.0-mac.zip from there and get a
defunct Pharo installation.

no, in fact that link should work.
… and in fact, it works… is just that due the changes in sierra, the bundle needs to be put in /Applications to not be copied into a sandbox, readonly place.

I’m working on have this working in a different way: is time to make PharoLauncher the default download. That way it will be in /Applications naturally and your images will be in a correct place naturally (I also would like a “add command line tools” option to install a pharo and pharo-ui in /usr/local/bin).

Esteban

Sean P. DeNigris wrote

EstebanLM wrote

the regular download by zeroconf should give you an usable VM.

That worked - thanks!

Yes, this VM works well :)

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Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list

Re: macOS Sierra support

Pharo 6.0 on macOS Sierra (10.12.5)

> Are you in macOS sierra?
> Due to changes in security policies, you will need to put
> the VM at /Applications folder.
> We are working to fix this temporary inconvenient.

What needs to be done on macOS Sierra (10.12.5) after download is this:

Remove the *com.apple.quarantine* extended attribute from the
downloaded zip file, or from the extracted .app directory.

For a longer explanation see
http://forum.world.st/Squeak-cannot-write-to-the-changes-file-tt4954787.html#a4954982
.
s/Squeak5.1-16549-32bit-201701281910-macOS.zip/Pharo6.0-mac.zip/
s/Squeak5.1-16549-32bit.app/Pharo6.0.app/

Best Regards,

Milan

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Milan Vavra

Re: macOS Sierra support

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