mcz files --> change sets for Squeak files since 2008? (was Re: [squeak-dev] more archaeology)

Bob

Monticello files are just zip files and they contain source code in
the subfolder snapshot.
However these are not change sets. I assume this is not new information for you.

I remember there is a way to generate the change sets from the mcz
files from within the image and this has been discussed on this list
before (some years ago... maybe). However at the moment I do not have
a reference.

So the question is -- how do we generate change sets from the mcz
files for the Squeak versions since 2008?

Regards
Hannes

On 10/31/13, Bob Arning [hidden email] wrote:

Hannes,

I suppose Monticello could be coaxed into providing suitable data, but I
know next to nothing about Monticello or what the procedures were in
those days. So, if someone want to make some change sets, I'll merge
them in. The logical place to start would be where the old updates faded
out. Do one/a few and we'll see what happens.

Cheers,
Bob

p.s. are you where your ip address seems to indicate?

I assume so. Plz contact off-list.

On 10/30/13 9:35 PM, H. Hirzel wrote:

This offers interesting insights. It shows when and where changes have
been made. Large parts of the system remain untouched for years!

I wonder if it is possible to extend the display from 2008 up to now
(unpacking mcz files)?

--Hannes

On 10/31/13, Bob Arning [hidden email] wrote:

/time now offers option to see by class or by category

Cheers,
Bob

On 10/30/13 5:36 PM, Chris Muller wrote:

Cool!

On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Bob Arning [hidden email]
wrote:

http://69.251.218.6:9116/time now allows clicking on a cell to see all
the
changes therein.

Cheers,
Bob

On 11/3/13, Bob Arning [hidden email] wrote:

I really know next to nothing about monticello or about the procedures
that were in place for those years. Bert did point me to a place to get
change sets,

which place was that?

 but it did not seem to be working very well, so I've not

made any progress.

Cheers,
Bob

On 11/2/13 8:28 PM, H. Hirzel wrote:

Bob

Monticello files are just zip files and they contain source code in
the subfolder snapshot.
However these are not change sets. I assume this is not new information
for you.

I remember there is a way to generate the change sets from the mcz
files from within the image and this has been discussed on this list
before (some years ago... maybe). However at the moment I do not have
a reference.

So the question is -- how do we generate change sets from the mcz
files for the Squeak versions since 2008?

Regards
Hannes

On 10/31/13, Bob Arning [hidden email] wrote:

Hannes,

I suppose Monticello could be coaxed into providing suitable data, but I
know next to nothing about Monticello or what the procedures were in
those days. So, if someone want to make some change sets, I'll merge
them in. The logical place to start would be where the old updates faded
out. Do one/a few and we'll see what happens.

Cheers,
Bob

p.s. are you where your ip address seems to indicate?

I assume so. Plz contact off-list.

On 10/30/13 9:35 PM, H. Hirzel wrote:

This offers interesting insights. It shows when and where changes have
been made. Large parts of the system remain untouched for years!

I wonder if it is possible to extend the display from 2008 up to now
(unpacking mcz files)?

--Hannes

On 10/31/13, Bob Arning [hidden email] wrote:

/time now offers option to see by class or by category

Cheers,
Bob

On 10/30/13 5:36 PM, Chris Muller wrote:

Cool!

On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Bob Arning [hidden email]
wrote:

http://69.251.218.6:9116/time now allows clicking on a cell to see
all
the
changes therein.

Cheers,
Bob

Our squeaksource server has a facility for generating changesets corresponding to the difference between two MC versions. However, that process is very time-consuming. If Bob was testing this it could explain the instability over the last couple of days, actually.