On 7/6/07, Keith Hodges <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I am not sure what you mean by plenty of information though. There is > source code. Long ago I concluded that the "Avi" definition of "plenty > of information" differs greatly from mine. How about some white papers? That's a fair cop in general, but - there have been a number of posts to this list and to Colin's blog with fairly detailed explanations of what we were doing. Damien has also collected some more info from us recently. It's true that it's not very well organized, but the info is out there (as well as, of course, the source code). > This is not strictly true. > > In the spirit of incremental, and hence hopefully adoptable progress. > There is a version of Monticello1 which has SystemEditor from MC2 in it, > ready to use. It only took one day to put this in, I did it about 6 > weeks ago, and it is ready to roll when SystemEditor works. Ah, well - SystemEditor is something apart from the rest of MC2 that was explicitly designed to be usable in other contexts. So it's great that you put it to use but I don't think it affects the point I was trying to make about community buy-in. To practice what I'm preaching here: I think the right way forward at this point is for me to extend Monticello with some of the more interesting ideas from MC2 in a backwards compatible way, so that we can test the ideas in the wild without asking people to fundamentally alter their workflow. I spent a couple of hours this weekend mapping out a plausible way to attack this, and I'll spend a few more turning that into code during the week. Since I can't easily do this as a separate add-on package, but will be modifying some of the basic Monticello classes - is there a version of MC that is most commonly used that I should start from? If nobody speaks up I'll be going from Monticello-avi.279, which is the latest on SqueakSource. Avi |
2007/7/9, Avi Bryant <[hidden email]>:
> On 7/6/07, Keith Hodges <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > I am not sure what you mean by plenty of information though. There is > > source code. Long ago I concluded that the "Avi" definition of "plenty > > of information" differs greatly from mine. How about some white papers? > > That's a fair cop in general, but - there have been a number of posts > to this list and to Colin's blog with fairly detailed explanations of > what we were doing. Damien has also collected some more info from us > recently. It's true that it's not very well organized, but the info > is out there (as well as, of course, the source code). > > > This is not strictly true. > > > > In the spirit of incremental, and hence hopefully adoptable progress. > > There is a version of Monticello1 which has SystemEditor from MC2 in it, > > ready to use. It only took one day to put this in, I did it about 6 > > weeks ago, and it is ready to roll when SystemEditor works. > > Ah, well - SystemEditor is something apart from the rest of MC2 that > was explicitly designed to be usable in other contexts. So it's great > that you put it to use but I don't think it affects the point I was > trying to make about community buy-in. > > To practice what I'm preaching here: I think the right way forward at > this point is for me to extend Monticello with some of the more > interesting ideas from MC2 in a backwards compatible way, so that we > can test the ideas in the wild without asking people to fundamentally > alter their workflow. I spent a couple of hours this weekend mapping > out a plausible way to attack this, and I'll spend a few more turning > that into code during the week. > > Since I can't easily do this as a separate add-on package, but will be > modifying some of the basic Monticello classes - is there a version of > MC that is most commonly used that I should start from? If nobody > speaks up I'll be going from Monticello-avi.279, which is the latest > on SqueakSource. In complete selfishness I vote for Monticello-pmm.318.mcz from: http://source.lukas-renggli.ch/sm.html There is Monticello-RJT.299.mcz by Ron http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=5217 There is Monticello-BEL.313.mcz from: http://www.squeaksource.com/Trike.html There is Monticello Public Modifications by Keith http://www.squeaksource.com/mc.html Philippe |
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El 7/8/07 9:56 PM, "Avi Bryant" <[hidden email]> escribió: > Since I can't easily do this as a separate add-on package, but will be > modifying some of the basic Monticello classes - is there a version of > MC that is most commonly used that I should start from? If nobody > speaks up I'll be going from Monticello-avi.279, which is the latest > on SqueakSource. > > Avi What about starting from Ralph version and followings as in 3.10 ? Morphic-edc.126 could be located in 'http://source.squeakfoundation.org/310' In 3.10 list "Discussion about development of Squeak 3.10" <[hidden email]> we discuss some "Monticello 1 1/2" And if you agree I could do extensive test to any coming from you. Edgar |
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