new packages in 3.9 universe

>From: Lex Spoon <[hidden email]>
>Reply-To: The general-purpose Squeak developers
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>Subject: new packages in 3.9 universe
>Date: 02 Jan 2007 11:23:49 -0500
>
>Yesterday I moved over a bunch of packages from the 3.7 stable
>universe to the 3.9 one currently being built.  As a result, 3.9 has
>67 new packages, bringing the total to 113.  The bulk of the packages
>are probably in at this point, meaning that the 3.9 stable universe
>will be about 2/3 the size of the one for 3.7.
>
>The full list of packages is appended below.
>
>This process took a surprisinlgy long time!  Even just glancing at
>each of 200 packages will make the hours really go by!  As a result, I
>ended up optimizing for my own time in this process.  I said no to a
>lot of packages that could probably be made to work.
>
>If anyone sees something that is left out, either let me know
>or... post it yourself.  :)  The 3.9 universe will be left open a
>little while yet.
>
>
>In general, I rejected about half of the list before starting.  The
>following factors would influence me to reject packages in this first
>pass:
>
>   1. It looks irrelevant in 3.9.  For example, AppRegistry is now
>   standard.
>
>   2. It is a Morphic project file.  It takes too long to
>   trawl through these and figure out which ones still load.
>   Maybe later.
>
>   3. It looks highly intertwined in the system.  For example, I
>   rejected some packages that modify the system text editor.  Properly
>   evaluating these is just a lot of work.
>
>   4. Plugins.  These should be in there ideally, but the audience for
>   them is small, so I put them off.
>
>   5. It does not make sense to me.  If I did not understand the
>   summary, then I had a strong inclination not to bother with it.
>
>
>After making this first cut, I then went down the list and saw if
>SqueakMap lists a newer version of it.  Then, I installed them all and
>fooled around with them to see if they are basically working.
>
>
>For future reference, there are some things package authors can do to
>make it easier for people to put your package in a distribution:
>
>   1. Provide a code file holding JUST the load material.  Do not
>   auto-install from SqueakMap.  Do not open up 15 windows after
>   installing.  For various reasons, smart packages have a tendency to
>   backfire.
>
>   2. Provide some test cases.  I loved the packages where I could open
>   TestRunner and see that the tests are doing okay.
>
>   3. Provide at least one example.  My main smoke test was whether
>   basic examples work.  This is easier if the package includes one or
>   more basic examples.
>
>
>The full list of packages is below.  -Lex
>
>
>=============================================
>||The following I did not even try to copy.||
>=============================================
>
>AcTalk
>AioPlugin  (I'm skipping plugins)
>AnnotatedMethodPuller  (standard in 3.9?)
>AppRegistry  (standard in 3.9)
>Appearance Menu Registry (standard in 3.9?)
>AspectS (too intrusive)
>BFAV2 (still used?  we use Mantis now, right?)
>Background Loader
>Balloon3D (too intrusive)
>Befunge'93 (too intrusive)
>BinarySavingMC
>BrowserInheritanceIcons (too intrusive)
>Chuck (traits breaks it)
>Check Repository (no longer needed)
>Completion Enhancements (too intrusive)
>Completion Morph (too intrusive)
>Compressed Sources File (too intrusive)
>Crop Morphs (too intrusive)
>Crop SketcheMorphs and Grab Screen Rectangle  (oops, looks like a duplicate
>of the above!)
>Czech Keyboard (too intrusive)
>Debugger (too intrusive)
>DefaultExternalDropHandler (too intrusive)
>DirectoryPlugin (too intrusive)
>Dispatch (too intrusive)
>Edit Pretty Print Text Colors (too intrusive)
>Emacs key bindings
>Ephemerons (too intrusive, and I don't understand it)
>Es-Squeakz-Me (I don't understand)
>FillInTheBlankMorph Look Enhancements (too intrusive)
>FlapsRegistry (not needed in 3.9?)
>Full Image (we need to rethink the meta packages for 3.9)
>Gradient Window Look (too intrusive)
>HttpView2 (what is it?)
>IRCe-Tests (If the IRCe guys wants this, then add it please!)
>IvapParser (sounds cool, but I do not have time to test if it still works
>in 3.9, e.g. with traits)
>LanguageEditor (not useful in 3.9?)
>Method Annotations (standard in 3.9?)
>MethodRecompiler (too intrusive)
>Monticello (standard in 3.9)
>MonticelloCVS (obsolete?)
>MorphicWrappers (too intrusive)
>Multi-level Undo for TextMorph (too intrusive)
>NetMorph (too intrusive)
>NetMorph MapServer (no use without NetMorph)
>OSProcessPlugin (I'll let David add this if appropriate)
>PackageInfo (standard in 3.9)
>PackageInfo-Extras (it's too  much trouble to check if this makes sense in
>3.9)
>PointerExplorer (standard in 3.9)
>Poses (too intrusive)
>PrimCallController (too intrusive)
>Protocols-Examples (I'm not sure what this is)
>RoleS (too intrusive)
>SIForgeWizord (I'm not sure what this is)
>SUnit (standard in 3.9)
>SUnit active tutorial
>SeasideTesting (too intrusive)
>Services (too intrusive)
>ShoutMonticello/Omnibrowser/Traits (too intrusive)
>Simulations (I don't know what it is)
>Singletons (too intrusive)
>Skeleton (I don't know how to test this)
>SmallInterfaces (too intrusive)
>Sokoban/Sokoban Enhanced (I don't know how to install this)
>Sorrow (too obscure)
>SpaceWar (no comment given)
>Squeak Prototypes
>SqueakMap2 (standard in 3.9)
>SystemTracer2 (I don't know how to test this)
>Techo (I don't know how to test it)
>TextFiles (obselete for 3.9?)
>Train (I don't know what it is)
>Traits (standard in 3.9)
>UpdateStreams for SqueakMap (too tricky for me)
>Vasili's Regex (not maintained?)
>WatchiIt! (too intrusive)
>Wintab Tablet Support (I can't test it)
>XDisplayControlPlugin (I'm skipping plugins)
>XMLTransformer (I don't understand what it is)
>bons (I don't know how to test it)
>rST (I don't know how to test it)
>shapes (looks unmaintained)
>Berkeley DB Plugin  (I am skpping plugins)
>Regular Expression Plugin (I'm skipping plugins)
>ConflictChecker (looks obsolete, given monticello)
>
>FullImageProjectAlice  (I'm skipping projects)
>FullImageProjectSmalltalkIntroduction  (I'm skipping projects)
>ProgrammingMorphs  (I'm skipping projects)
>presentations tutorial  (I'm skipping projects)
>WarpSketchMorph  (I'm skipping projects)
>
>
>
>
>==============================================
>||  I tried loading these, but they failed: ||
>==============================================
>
>GamesTests  (syntax error on loading)
>Celeste Tests  (causes white walkbacks!)
>Assertions (conflicts with assert method in image)
>BlogBrowser (missing WebPageMorph)
>Collections-Misc (could not load)
>ECoDE (messes with the system somehow)
>EasySqueak (does not load)
>Faure (does not load)
>FontSetCream (does not load)
>FractalMorph (does not load)
>Graph (does not load)
>HTMLTableMorph
>Hobble  (cannot enter)
>Image Browser (crashes when I try to use it)
>Lisp (cannot get it running)
>MAPIClient (cannot get it running)
>MorphicFontEditor (does not open)
>MultiColumnListMorph (examples fail)
>OggVorbis (does not load)
>ODBCEnh (bad URL)
>Prolog (does not load)
>SSP (does not load)
>Telnet (cannot open)
>Scheduler (bad URL)
>Manzana (error on opening)
>Smalltalk 72 (does not load)
>Sort Criteria (tests fail)
>Taskbar (makes system fragile)
>Units (tests fail)
>Video and Image Processing (does not load)
>Whisker Browser (crashes)
>
>
>=======================
>|| These I included. ||
>=======================
>
>
>DynamicBindings
>Kom*
>Seaside
>Seaside Presentation (but it constantly times out!!)
>Games
>SmaCC
>Algebraic
>Array2D
>BTree
>BitArray
>BreakOut
>Cassowary
>Cryptography
>DHBNumerical Analysis
>DNSClient
>DictionaryBrowser
>EventInterceptorMorph
>Exupery
>Folktale
>X11Fonts
>GLORP
>GOODS
>HTML-Parser
>HTTPClient
>HaltOnce
>IRCBot
>Iterator
>Java Serialization
>LifeMorph
>LogEngine
>Logic expressions
>MinneStore
>MiniToDo
>MorseCode
>NetStrings
>ODBC
>Ns Game
>PWS
>OpenOffice Importer
>PieChartMorph
>PropertyList
>PlotMorph
>PostgreSQL Client
>Quotes
>ROE
>RemoteFrameBuffer
>SARBuilder
>SIXX
>SPL PDF Library
>Pipes Games (rename to SqueakPipes)
>TimeZoneDatabase
>SVI
>Screen Shot Morph
>Scripting Workspace
>SendTreeExplorer
>SharedStreams
>SoapCoreClient
>SoapCoreServer
>SqCVS
>Swazoo-HTTP
>Typeinferencer
>VMMaker
>VersionNumber
>WanderingLetters
>ZigZag
>SmallDEVS
>
>

> I assume the package setup is like it is in e.g. debian no?  For example:
>
> There is a core universe that just has the core and depends on nothing
> (this one can be implicit)
> There is a Socket universe that depends on only core
> There is a Komanche universe that depends on the Socket universe
> There is a Seaside universe that depends on the Komanche universe
> There is a Magritte universe that depends on the core
> There is a Pier universe that depends on the Seaside and Magritte universes
> There is a Stable universe that depends on core and a few others and
> has *lots* of optional universes (e.g. Pier)
>
> Is that close, or if not, is that doable?

> > =======================
> > || These I included. ||
> > =======================
>
> (snip)
>
> > SoapCoreClient
> > SoapCoreServer
>
> I recommend just including all-in-one "SoapCore" package, not
> "SoapCoreClient" and "SoapCoreServer" separately, because all-in-one
> version has executable unit tests.

>From: Lex Spoon <[hidden email]>
>Reply-To: The general-purpose Squeak developers
>list<[hidden email]>
>To: [hidden email]
>Subject: Re: new packages in 3.9 universe
>Date: 05 Jan 2007 15:06:00 -0500
>
>"J J" <[hidden email]> writes:
> > I assume the package setup is like it is in e.g. debian no?  For
>example:
> >
> > There is a core universe that just has the core and depends on nothing
> > (this one can be implicit)
> > There is a Socket universe that depends on only core
> > There is a Komanche universe that depends on the Socket universe
> > There is a Seaside universe that depends on the Komanche universe
> > There is a Magritte universe that depends on the core
> > There is a Pier universe that depends on the Seaside and Magritte
>universes
> > There is a Stable universe that depends on core and a few others and
> > has *lots* of optional universes (e.g. Pier)
> >
> > Is that close, or if not, is that doable?
>
>Thanks, J. J.
>
>Right now, there is just one 3.9 universe, just like with 3.7.  So, it
>is analogous to the "main" section of Debian/sid.  The idea is that
>developers can augment this with their own extension universes, much
>like unofficial apt repositories.

> >From: Lex Spoon <[hidden email]>
> >Right now, there is just one 3.9 universe, just like with 3.7.  So, it
> >is analogous to the "main" section of Debian/sid.  The idea is that
> >developers can augment this with their own extension universes, much
> >like unofficial apt repositories.
>
> Aha.  I'm afraid I don't know much about the unofficial repos.   I
> don't even know that much about the normal repos, I just feel I have a
> good understanding of how the dependency trees worked (from a user
> perspective).