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[newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace?
 
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I remember I used a menu item in Squeak, but I cannot find in Pharo.
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On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:29 AM, alesch <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I remember I used a menu item in Squeak, but I cannot find in Pharo. You can't. Do you misss that feature? -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:45, Damien Cassou [via Smalltalk] <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:29 AM, alesch <[hidden email]> wrote: Yes I do. |
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I think this is a valuable feature.
Should we save in a particular file extension (.wst ? or simply text files ?) so that we can also have load opening from a a list of files of that format. This would be nice for tutorials instead of saving workspace content in a method.
Cédrick
2009/12/16 alesch <[hidden email]>
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Re: [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace?
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for me it was political/educational to remove it.
I saw too many people having expressions in workspace and not in class methods (not versioned with the code). because if this is really important why not put it in a class method? Then you load the code and of course you do not get the magic example beacuse they were in the wonderfull scripts left in the other images..... Stef On Dec 16, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Cédrick Béler wrote: > I think this is a valuable feature. > > Should we save in a particular file extension (.wst ? or simply text files ?) so that we can also have load opening from a a list of files of that format. This would be nice for tutorials instead of saving workspace content in a method. > > Cédrick > > 2009/12/16 alesch <[hidden email]> > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:45, Damien Cassou [via Smalltalk] <[hidden email]> wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:29 AM, alesch <[hidden email]> wrote: > > I remember I used a menu item in Squeak, but I cannot find in Pharo. > > You can't. Do you misss that feature? > > Yes I do. > > > View this message in context: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace? > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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I really miss that feature.
In my oppinion it is very useful when you regularly use different images, or when you frequently rebuild your development image from newer versions. Also, I wonder if the Package Browser should be removed completely since it does not even open now when you select it as preferred. Cheers r -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse Sent: 16 December 2009 12:07 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace? for me it was political/educational to remove it. I saw too many people having expressions in workspace and not in class methods (not versioned with the code). because if this is really important why not put it in a class method? Then you load the code and of course you do not get the magic example beacuse they were in the wonderfull scripts left in the other images..... Stef On Dec 16, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Cédrick Béler wrote: > I think this is a valuable feature. > > Should we save in a particular file extension (.wst ? or simply text files ?) so that we can also have load opening from a a list of files of that format. This would be nice for tutorials instead of saving workspace content in a method. > > Cédrick > > 2009/12/16 alesch <[hidden email]> > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:45, Damien Cassou [via Smalltalk] <[hidden email]> wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:29 AM, alesch <[hidden email]> wrote: > > I remember I used a menu item in Squeak, but I cannot find in Pharo. > > You can't. Do you misss that feature? > > Yes I do. > > > View this message in context: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace? > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project This email is confidential and subject to important disclaimers and conditions including on offers for the purchase or sale of securities, accuracy and completeness of information, viruses, confidentiality, legal privilege, and legal entity disclaimers, available at http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures/email. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Stef,
I also miss the ready ability to save a workspace. With respect, it is not your place to dictate working methods. You are correct that one can easily over-use workspaces and under-use class methods. However, one can also over-use class methods when a new test case is more appropriate. Rather than removing basic features, we should add capabilities to encourage good practice by making things as easy as possible. Dolphin's IDE extensions are a nice feature that I *really* miss in Pharo. One thing I added is a way to create test case methods based on a currently selected method. Each class can specify a TestCase subclass, and the methods were automatically named based on the selected method's name; the code is generated and proposed for optional compiling with warning of conflicts. Bill -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ramiro Diaz Trepat Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:44 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace? I really miss that feature. In my oppinion it is very useful when you regularly use different images, or when you frequently rebuild your development image from newer versions. Also, I wonder if the Package Browser should be removed completely since it does not even open now when you select it as preferred. -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse Sent: 16 December 2009 12:07 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace? for me it was political/educational to remove it. I saw too many people having expressions in workspace and not in class methods (not versioned with the code). because if this is really important why not put it in a class method? Then you load the code and of course you do not get the magic example beacuse they were in the wonderfull scripts left in the other images..... Stef On Dec 16, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Cédrick Béler wrote: > I think this is a valuable feature. > > Should we save in a particular file extension (.wst ? or simply text files ?) so that we can also have load opening from a a list of files of that format. This would be nice for tutorials instead of saving workspace content in a method. > > Cédrick > > 2009/12/16 alesch <[hidden email]> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:45, > Damien Cassou [via Smalltalk] <[hidden email]> wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:29 AM, alesch <[hidden email]> wrote: > > I remember I used a menu item in Squeak, but I cannot find in Pharo. > > You can't. Do you misss that feature? > > Yes I do. > > > View this message in context: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace? > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project This email is confidential and subject to important disclaimers and conditions including on offers for the purchase or sale of securities, accuracy and completeness of information, viruses, confidentiality, legal privilege, and legal entity disclaimers, available at http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures/email. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
Re: [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace?
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2009/12/16 Ramiro Diaz Trepat <[hidden email]>:
> I really miss that feature. > In my oppinion it is very useful when you regularly use different images, or when you frequently rebuild your development image from newer versions. > Also, I wonder if the Package Browser should be removed completely since it does not even open now when you select it as preferred. > Cheers > What prevents you from copying the workspace text, open your favorite text editor, paste text there and save it in a file? > > r > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse > Sent: 16 December 2009 12:07 > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace? > > for me it was political/educational to remove it. > > I saw too many people having expressions in workspace and not in class methods (not versioned with the code). > because if this is really important why not put it in a class method? > Then you load the code and of course you do not get the magic example beacuse they were in the wonderfull scripts left in the other > images..... > > Stef > > On Dec 16, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Cédrick Béler wrote: > >> I think this is a valuable feature. >> >> Should we save in a particular file extension (.wst ? or simply text files ?) so that we can also have load opening from a a list of files of that format. This would be nice for tutorials instead of saving workspace content in a method. >> >> Cédrick >> >> 2009/12/16 alesch <[hidden email]> >> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:45, Damien Cassou [via Smalltalk] <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:29 AM, alesch <[hidden email]> wrote: >> > I remember I used a menu item in Squeak, but I cannot find in Pharo. >> >> You can't. Do you misss that feature? >> >> Yes I do. >> >> >> View this message in context: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace? >> >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > This email is confidential and subject to important disclaimers and > conditions including on offers for the purchase or sale of > securities, accuracy and completeness of information, viruses, > confidentiality, legal privilege, and legal entity disclaimers, > available at http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures/email. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
Re: [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace?
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On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Igor Stasenko wrote:
> 2009/12/16 Ramiro Diaz Trepat <[hidden email]>: > I really miss that feature. > In my oppinion it is very useful when you regularly use different images, or when you frequently rebuild your development image from newer versions. > Also, I wonder if the Package Browser should be removed completely since it does not even open now when you select it as preferred. > Cheers > What prevents you from copying the workspace text, open your favorite text editor, paste text there and save it in a file? > > r > Or use the File Browser, that's why it's there, even though it's a bit broken in pharo. Levente > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse > Sent: 16 December 2009 12:07 > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace? > > for me it was political/educational to remove it. > > I saw too many people having expressions in workspace and not in class methods (not versioned with the code). > because if this is really important why not put it in a class method? > Then you load the code and of course you do not get the magic example beacuse they were in the wonderfull scripts left in the other > images..... > > Stef > > On Dec 16, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Cédrick Béler wrote: > >> I think this is a valuable feature. >> >> Should we save in a particular file extension (.wst ? or simply text files ?) so that we can also have load opening from a a list of files of that format. This would be nice for tutorials instead of saving workspace content in a method. >> >> Cédrick >> >> 2009/12/16 alesch <[hidden email]> >> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:45, Damien Cassou [via Smalltalk] <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:29 AM, alesch <[hidden email]> wrote: >> > I remember I used a menu item in Squeak, but I cannot find in Pharo. >> >> You can't. Do you misss that feature? >> >> Yes I do. >> >> >> View this message in context: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace? >> >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > This email is confidential and subject to important disclaimers and > conditions including on offers for the purchase or sale of > securities, accuracy and completeness of information, viruses, > confidentiality, legal privilege, and legal entity disclaimers, > available at http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures/email. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On 16 Dec 2009, at 16:21, Levente Uzonyi wrote:
A fix for this was posted to Mantis for Squeak 3.10 (search for workspace), allowing save, and revert. The workspace is able to mirror a text file and respond to cmd-S to save to the file. Keith _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
Re: [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace?
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Nothing prevents copy/paste/save (though there are line-end weirdnesses to consider), but why should one have to do that?
-----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Igor Stasenko Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:05 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace? 2009/12/16 Ramiro Diaz Trepat <[hidden email]>: > I really miss that feature. > In my oppinion it is very useful when you regularly use different images, or when you frequently rebuild your development image from newer versions. > Also, I wonder if the Package Browser should be removed completely since it does not even open now when you select it as preferred. > Cheers > What prevents you from copying the workspace text, open your favorite text editor, paste text there and save it in a file? > > r > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of > Stéphane Ducasse > Sent: 16 December 2009 12:07 > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace? > > for me it was political/educational to remove it. > > I saw too many people having expressions in workspace and not in class methods (not versioned with the code). > because if this is really important why not put it in a class method? > Then you load the code and of course you do not get the magic example > beacuse they were in the wonderfull scripts left in the other images..... > > Stef > > On Dec 16, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Cédrick Béler wrote: > >> I think this is a valuable feature. >> >> Should we save in a particular file extension (.wst ? or simply text files ?) so that we can also have load opening from a a list of files of that format. This would be nice for tutorials instead of saving workspace content in a method. >> >> Cédrick >> >> 2009/12/16 alesch <[hidden email]> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at >> 11:45, Damien Cassou [via Smalltalk] <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:29 AM, alesch <[hidden email]> wrote: >> > I remember I used a menu item in Squeak, but I cannot find in Pharo. >> >> You can't. Do you misss that feature? >> >> Yes I do. >> >> >> View this message in context: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace? >> >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > This email is confidential and subject to important disclaimers and > conditions including on offers for the purchase or sale of securities, > accuracy and completeness of information, viruses, confidentiality, > legal privilege, and legal entity disclaimers, available at > http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures/email. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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So send it back and we will integrate it.
No problem. But really you should use class side methods and versioned these damned scripts. Stef > Stef, > > I also miss the ready ability to save a workspace. With respect, it is not your place to dictate working methods. You are correct that one can easily over-use workspaces and under-use class methods. However, one can also over-use class methods when a new test case is more appropriate. > > Rather than removing basic features, we should add capabilities to encourage good practice by making things as easy as possible. Dolphin's IDE extensions are a nice feature that I *really* miss in Pharo. One thing I added is a way to create test case methods based on a currently selected method. Each class can specify a TestCase subclass, and the methods were automatically named based on the selected method's name; the code is generated and proposed for optional compiling with warning of conflicts. > > Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ramiro Diaz Trepat > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:44 AM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace? > > I really miss that feature. > In my oppinion it is very useful when you regularly use different images, or when you frequently rebuild your development image from newer versions. > Also, I wonder if the Package Browser should be removed completely since it does not even open now when you select it as preferred. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse > Sent: 16 December 2009 12:07 > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace? > > for me it was political/educational to remove it. > > I saw too many people having expressions in workspace and not in class methods (not versioned with the code). > because if this is really important why not put it in a class method? > Then you load the code and of course you do not get the magic example beacuse they were in the wonderfull scripts left in the other images..... > > Stef > > On Dec 16, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Cédrick Béler wrote: > >> I think this is a valuable feature. >> >> Should we save in a particular file extension (.wst ? or simply text files ?) so that we can also have load opening from a a list of files of that format. This would be nice for tutorials instead of saving workspace content in a method. >> >> Cédrick >> >> 2009/12/16 alesch <[hidden email]> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:45, >> Damien Cassou [via Smalltalk] <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:29 AM, alesch <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> I remember I used a menu item in Squeak, but I cannot find in Pharo. >> >> You can't. Do you misss that feature? >> >> Yes I do. >> >> >> View this message in context: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace? >> >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > This email is confidential and subject to important disclaimers and conditions including on offers for the purchase or sale of securities, accuracy and completeness of information, viruses, confidentiality, legal privilege, and legal entity disclaimers, available at http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures/email. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Hi levente >> > What prevents you from copying the workspace text, open your favorite > text editor, paste text there and save it in a file? >> >> r >> > > Or use the File Browser, that's why it's there, even though it's a bit > broken in pharo. can you explain what is broken? => open a bug entry _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
Re: [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace?
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In reply to this post by Stéphane Ducasse
Stef,
No argument, and thanks! Bill -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 12:16 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace? So send it back and we will integrate it. No problem. But really you should use class side methods and versioned these damned scripts. Stef > Stef, > > I also miss the ready ability to save a workspace. With respect, it is not your place to dictate working methods. You are correct that one can easily over-use workspaces and under-use class methods. However, one can also over-use class methods when a new test case is more appropriate. > > Rather than removing basic features, we should add capabilities to encourage good practice by making things as easy as possible. Dolphin's IDE extensions are a nice feature that I *really* miss in Pharo. One thing I added is a way to create test case methods based on a currently selected method. Each class can specify a TestCase subclass, and the methods were automatically named based on the selected method's name; the code is generated and proposed for optional compiling with warning of conflicts. > > Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of > Ramiro Diaz Trepat > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:44 AM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace? > > I really miss that feature. > In my oppinion it is very useful when you regularly use different images, or when you frequently rebuild your development image from newer versions. > Also, I wonder if the Package Browser should be removed completely since it does not even open now when you select it as preferred. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of > Stéphane Ducasse > Sent: 16 December 2009 12:07 > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace? > > for me it was political/educational to remove it. > > I saw too many people having expressions in workspace and not in class methods (not versioned with the code). > because if this is really important why not put it in a class method? > Then you load the code and of course you do not get the magic example beacuse they were in the wonderfull scripts left in the other images..... > > Stef > > On Dec 16, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Cédrick Béler wrote: > >> I think this is a valuable feature. >> >> Should we save in a particular file extension (.wst ? or simply text files ?) so that we can also have load opening from a a list of files of that format. This would be nice for tutorials instead of saving workspace content in a method. >> >> Cédrick >> >> 2009/12/16 alesch <[hidden email]> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at >> 11:45, Damien Cassou [via Smalltalk] <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:29 AM, alesch <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> I remember I used a menu item in Squeak, but I cannot find in Pharo. >> >> You can't. Do you misss that feature? >> >> Yes I do. >> >> >> View this message in context: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace? >> >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > This email is confidential and subject to important disclaimers and conditions including on offers for the purchase or sale of securities, accuracy and completeness of information, viruses, confidentiality, legal privilege, and legal entity disclaimers, available at http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures/email. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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send code :)
Stef > Stef, > > No argument, and thanks! > > Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 12:16 PM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace? > > So send it back and we will integrate it. > No problem. But really you should use class side methods and versioned these damned scripts. > > Stef > > >> Stef, >> >> I also miss the ready ability to save a workspace. With respect, it is not your place to dictate working methods. You are correct that one can easily over-use workspaces and under-use class methods. However, one can also over-use class methods when a new test case is more appropriate. >> >> Rather than removing basic features, we should add capabilities to encourage good practice by making things as easy as possible. Dolphin's IDE extensions are a nice feature that I *really* miss in Pharo. One thing I added is a way to create test case methods based on a currently selected method. Each class can specify a TestCase subclass, and the methods were automatically named based on the selected method's name; the code is generated and proposed for optional compiling with warning of conflicts. >> >> Bill >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [hidden email] >> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of >> Ramiro Diaz Trepat >> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:44 AM >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace? >> >> I really miss that feature. >> In my oppinion it is very useful when you regularly use different images, or when you frequently rebuild your development image from newer versions. >> Also, I wonder if the Package Browser should be removed completely since it does not even open now when you select it as preferred. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [hidden email] >> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of >> Stéphane Ducasse >> Sent: 16 December 2009 12:07 >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace? >> >> for me it was political/educational to remove it. >> >> I saw too many people having expressions in workspace and not in class methods (not versioned with the code). >> because if this is really important why not put it in a class method? >> Then you load the code and of course you do not get the magic example beacuse they were in the wonderfull scripts left in the other images..... >> >> Stef >> >> On Dec 16, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Cédrick Béler wrote: >> >>> I think this is a valuable feature. >>> >>> Should we save in a particular file extension (.wst ? or simply text files ?) so that we can also have load opening from a a list of files of that format. This would be nice for tutorials instead of saving workspace content in a method. >>> >>> Cédrick >>> >>> 2009/12/16 alesch <[hidden email]> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at >>> 11:45, Damien Cassou [via Smalltalk] <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:29 AM, alesch <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> I remember I used a menu item in Squeak, but I cannot find in Pharo. >>> >>> You can't. Do you misss that feature? >>> >>> Yes I do. >>> >>> >>> View this message in context: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace? >>> >>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> This email is confidential and subject to important disclaimers and conditions including on offers for the purchase or sale of securities, accuracy and completeness of information, viruses, confidentiality, legal privilege, and legal entity disclaimers, available at http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures/email. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
Re: [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace?
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On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
> > Hi levente > >>> >> What prevents you from copying the workspace text, open your favorite >> text editor, paste text there and save it in a file? >>> >>> r >>> >> >> Or use the File Browser, that's why it's there, even though it's a bit >> broken in pharo. > > can you explain what is broken? > => open a bug entry first 3 menuitems are the same "compress file". (And I'm missing the zip viewer which was super cool IMO) Levente > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
Re: [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace?
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Thanks for reporting it. Now I tried to reproduce it and I get that. Can you show what you get? I'm on 1.1-11104 > For example: right click on a text file in the upper right panel, the first 3 menuitems are the same "compress file". > (And I'm missing the zip viewer which was super cool IMO) But I thought that we kept the archiveViewer. We should not lose it since I was good. Stef > > > Levente > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Re: [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace?
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I tried to open a zip file and I do not get a proposal to open the archive viewer.
When I use decompress file I get a GZIP....error telling me that this is not a zipped stream Funny http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?thanks=1618 http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1619 _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
File Browser (was: Re: [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace?)
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Quoting Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>:
> > Can you show what you get? > Sure, I attached it. The screenshot was taken from an 1.1-11105 image. (Note that the mouse pointer is on the first list item, but you can't see it, because it's a windows machine...) Levente _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
Re: File Browser (was: Re: [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace?)
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Thanks this is really strange.
I do not see why on windows it would be different but good catch. Can you enter a bug entry ? Stef On Dec 16, 2009, at 10:12 PM, Levente Uzonyi wrote: > Quoting Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>: > >> >> Can you show what you get? >> > > Sure, I attached it. The screenshot was taken from an 1.1-11105 image. (Note that the mouse pointer is on the first list item, but you can't see it, because it's a windows machine...) > > > Levente<pharofilebrowser.png>_______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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