[newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace?

> Stef,
>
> I also miss the ready ability to save a workspace.  With respect, it is not your place to dictate working methods.  You are correct that one can easily over-use workspaces and under-use class methods.  However, one can also over-use class methods when a new test case is more appropriate.
>
> Rather than removing basic features, we should add capabilities to encourage good practice by making things as easy as possible.  Dolphin's IDE extensions are a nice feature that I *really* miss in Pharo.  One thing I added is a way to create test case methods based on a currently selected method.  Each class can specify a TestCase subclass, and the methods were automatically named based on the selected method's name; the code is generated and proposed for optional compiling with warning of conflicts.
>
> Bill
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ramiro Diaz Trepat
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> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace?
>
> I really miss that feature.  
> In my oppinion it is very useful when you regularly use different images, or when you frequently rebuild your development image from newer versions.
> Also, I wonder if the Package Browser should be removed completely since it does not even open now when you select it as preferred.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse
> Sent: 16 December 2009 12:07
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> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace?
>
> for me it was political/educational to remove it.
>
> I saw too many people having expressions in workspace and not in class methods (not versioned with the code).
> because if this is really important why not put it in a class method?
> Then you load the code and of course you do not get the magic example beacuse they were in the wonderfull scripts left in the other images.....
>
> Stef
>
> On Dec 16, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Cédrick Béler wrote:
>
>> I think this is a valuable feature.
>>
>> Should we save in a particular file extension (.wst ? or simply text files ?) so that we can also have load opening from a a list of files of that format. This would be nice for tutorials instead of saving workspace content in a method.
>>
>> Cédrick
>>
>> 2009/12/16 alesch  On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:45,
>> Damien Cassou [via Smalltalk] <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:29 AM, alesch <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> I remember I used a menu item in Squeak, but I cannot find in Pharo.
>>
>> You can't. Do you misss that feature?
>>
>> Yes I do.
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> Quoting Stéphane Ducasse :
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>>
>> Can you show what you get?
>>
>
> Sure, I attached it. The screenshot was taken from an 1.1-11105 image. (Note that the mouse pointer is on the first list item, but you can't see it, because it's a windows machine...)
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> Em 16/12/2009 15:16, Stéphane Ducasse < [hidden email] > escreveu:
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>
> So send it back and we will integrate it.
> No problem. But really you should use class side methods and versioned these damned scripts.
>
> Stef
>
>
>> Stef,
>>
>> I also miss the ready ability to save a workspace.  With respect, it is not your place to dictate working methods.  You are correct that one can easily over-use workspaces and under-use class methods.  However, one can also over-use class methods when a new test case is more appropriate.
>>
>> Rather than removing basic features, we should add capabilities to encourage good practice by making things as easy as possible.  Dolphin's IDE extensions are a nice feature that I *really* miss in Pharo.  One thing I added is a way to create test case methods based on a currently selected method.  Each class can specify a TestCase subclass, and the methods were automatically named based on the selected method's name; the code is generated and proposed for optional compiling with warning of conflicts.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ramiro Diaz Trepat
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:44 AM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace?
>>
>> I really miss that feature.  
>> In my oppinion it is very useful when you regularly use different images, or when you frequently rebuild your development image from newer versions.
>> Also, I wonder if the Package Browser should be removed completely since it does not even open now when you select it as preferred.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse
>> Sent: 16 December 2009 12:07
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace?
>>
>> for me it was political/educational to remove it.
>>
>> I saw too many people having expressions in workspace and not in class methods (not versioned with the code).
>> because if this is really important why not put it in a class method?
>> Then you load the code and of course you do not get the magic example beacuse they were in the wonderfull scripts left in the other images.....
>>
>> Stef
>>
>> On Dec 16, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Cédrick Béler wrote:
>>
>>> I think this is a valuable feature.
>>>
>>> Should we save in a particular file extension (.wst ? or simply text files ?) so that we can also have load opening from a a list of files of that format. This would be nice for tutorials instead of saving workspace content in a method.
>>>
>>> Cédrick
>>>
>>> 2009/12/16 alesch  On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:45,
>>> Damien Cassou [via Smalltalk] <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:29 AM, alesch <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> I remember I used a menu item in Squeak, but I cannot find in Pharo.
>>>
>>> You can't. Do you misss that feature?
>>>
>>> Yes I do.
>>>
>>>
>>> View this message in context: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace?
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>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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> Hi Igor, nothing "stops" your cut / paste ability, but I believe that is not the right question.
> I work with VW Smalltalk and at wrok we also have different images for different sides of the busines.
> It may be dirty and arguable to use scripts instead of a class for your scripts full of class methods, but if you do want to save quite a few scripts/workspaces, it is much more handy to keep them in a directory of saved workspeces, than start opening and closing a whole lot of old images until you find the one that bit of code that you wanted and then, yes, copy and paste it to your new image.
> Cheers
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> r
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> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote:
> 2009/12/16 Ramiro Diaz Trepat <[hidden email]>:
> > I really miss that feature.
> > In my oppinion it is very useful when you regularly use different images, or when you frequently rebuild your development image from newer versions.
> > Also, I wonder if the Package Browser should be removed completely since it does not even open now when you select it as preferred.
> > Cheers
> >
> What prevents you from copying the workspace text, open your favorite
> text editor, paste text there and save it in a file?
> >
> > r
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse
> > Sent: 16 December 2009 12:07
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace?
> >
> > for me it was political/educational to remove it.
> >
> > I saw too many people having expressions in workspace and not in class methods (not versioned with the code).
> > because if this is really important why not put it in a class method?
> > Then you load the code and of course you do not get the magic example beacuse they were in the wonderfull scripts left in the other
> > images.....
> >
> > Stef
> >
> > On Dec 16, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Cédrick Béler wrote:
> >
> >> I think this is a valuable feature.
> >>
> >> Should we save in a particular file extension (.wst ? or simply text files ?) so that we can also have load opening from a a list of files of that format. This would be nice for tutorials instead of saving workspace content in a method.
> >>
> >> Cédrick
> >>
> >> 2009/12/16 alesch <[hidden email]>
> >> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:45, Damien Cassou [via Smalltalk] <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:29 AM, alesch <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> > I remember I used a menu item in Squeak, but I cannot find in Pharo.
> >>
> >> You can't. Do you misss that feature?
> >>
> >> Yes I do.
> >>
> >>
> >> View this message in context: Re: [Pharo-project] [newbee] How do I save the contents of a Workspace?
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> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
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>> Thanks this is really strange.
>> I do not see why on windows it would be different but good catch.
>> Can you enter a bug entry ?
>
> I don't have a google account, so someone else will have to.
>
>
> Levente
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>>
>> Stef
>>
>> On Dec 16, 2009, at 10:12 PM, Levente Uzonyi wrote:
>>
>>> Quoting Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can you show what you get?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sure, I attached it. The screenshot was taken from an 1.1-11105 image. (Note that the mouse pointer is on the first list item, but you can't see it, because it's a windows machine...)
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> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
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>> 2009/12/17 Levente Uzonyi <[hidden email]>
>>
>>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>
>>> If you go to more... you get this in a Windows machine.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Note that other items a repeated too, like "decompress to file",
>>> "changelist browser", "fileIn entire file", etc
>>>
>>>
>> weird....maybe we should use a Set for that collection ?
>
> What about finding the cause and fixing the bug?

>
> On Dec 17, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Levente Uzonyi wrote:
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>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
>>
>>> 2009/12/17 Levente Uzonyi <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If you go to more... you get this in a Windows machine.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Note that other items a repeated too, like "decompress to file",
>>>> "changelist browser", "fileIn entire file", etc
>>>>
>>>>
>>> weird....maybe we should use a Set for that collection ?
>>
>> What about finding the cause and fixing the bug?
>
> Yes I was thinking the same :)
>
> I have only macs around me so I cannot try.
> May be we get a match in the file list for ZIP, zip, ZiP or something like that.
>
> Stef

> Quoting Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>:
>
>>
>> Can you show what you get?
>>
>
> Sure, I attached it. The screenshot was taken from an 1.1-11105 image. (Note that the mouse pointer is on the first list item, but you can't see it, because it's a windows machine...)
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> This code:
> Transcript open.
> FileList allRegisteredServices do: [ :each | Transcript show: each; cr ]
>
> Prints this:
> SimpleServiceEntry: (ChangeSet --- fileIntoNewChangeSet:)
> SimpleServiceEntry: (ChangeList --- browseStream:)
> SimpleServiceEntry: (ChangeList --- browseRecentLogOnPath:)
> SimpleServiceEntry: (ChangeList --- browseCompressedChangesFile:)
> SimpleServiceEntry: (FileContentsBrowser --- browseStream:)
> SimpleServiceEntry: (FilePackage --- conflictsWithUpdatedMethods:)
> FileModifyingSimpleServiceEntry: (FileStream --- removeLineFeeds:)
> SimpleServiceEntry: (FileStream --- fileIn:)
> SimpleServiceEntry: (Form --- importImage:)
> SimpleServiceEntry: (Form --- openImageInWindow:)
> SimpleServiceEntry: (Form --- setBackgroundFromImageFileNamed:)
> SimpleServiceEntry: (GZipReadStream --- viewContents:)
> FileModifyingSimpleServiceEntry: (GZipReadStream --- saveContents:)
> FileModifyingSimpleServiceEntry: (GZipWriteStream --- compressFile:)
> SimpleServiceEntry: (MCVersionReader --- loadVersionStream:fromDirectory:)
> SimpleServiceEntry: (MCVersionReader --- mergeVersionStream:)
> SimpleServiceEntry: (MCVersionReader --- openVersionFromStream:)
> SimpleServiceEntry: (MczInstaller --- loadVersionFile:)
> SimpleServiceEntry: (Morph --- fromFileName:)
> SimpleServiceEntry: (NaturalLanguageTranslator --- mergeTranslationFileNamed:)
> SimpleServiceEntry: (SARInstaller --- installSAR:)
> SimpleServiceEntry: (TTCFont --- newTextStyleFromTTFile:)
> SimpleServiceEntry: (TTFontReader --- openTTFFile:)
> FileModifyingSimpleServiceEntry: (NSGZipWriteStream --- compressFile:)
> FileModifyingSimpleServiceEntry: (NSDecoderGZipWriteStream --- compressFile:)
> SimpleServiceEntry: (AnimatedImageMorph --- openGIFInWindow:)
> SimpleServiceEntry: (Form --- setBackgroundFromImageFileNamed:)
> SimpleServiceEntry: (ScorePlayerMorph --- playMidiFile:)
> SimpleServiceEntry: (NSGZipReadStream --- viewContents:)
> FileModifyingSimpleServiceEntry: (NSGZipReadStream --- saveContents:)
> SimpleServiceEntry: (NSDecoderGZipReadStream --- viewContents:)
> FileModifyingSimpleServiceEntry: (NSDecoderGZipReadStream --- saveContents:)
>
>
> Levente
>
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>
>> levente can you print
>>
>> FileList allRegistered allRegisteredServices
>>
>> On my image I get
>>
>> SimpleServiceEntry: (ChangeSet --- fileIntoNewChangeSet:)
>> SimpleServiceEntry: (ChangeList --- browseStream:)
>> SimpleServiceEntry: (ChangeList --- browseRecentLogOnPath:)
>> SimpleServiceEntry: (ChangeList --- browseCompressedChangesFile:)
>> SimpleServiceEntry: (FileContentsBrowser --- browseStream:)
>> SimpleServiceEntry: (FilePackage --- conflictsWithUpdatedMethods:)
>> FileModifyingSimpleServiceEntry: (FileStream --- removeLineFeeds:)
>> SimpleServiceEntry: (FileStream --- fileIn:)
>> SimpleServiceEntry: (Form --- importImage:)
>> SimpleServiceEntry: (Form --- openImageInWindow:)
>> SimpleServiceEntry: (Form --- setBackgroundFromImageFileNamed:)
>> SimpleServiceEntry: (GZipReadStream --- viewContents:)
>> FileModifyingSimpleServiceEntry: (GZipReadStream --- saveContents:)
>> FileModifyingSimpleServiceEntry: (GZipWriteStream --- compressFile:)
>> SimpleServiceEntry: (MCVersionReader --- loadVersionStream:fromDirectory:)
>> SimpleServiceEntry: (MCVersionReader --- mergeVersionStream:)
>> SimpleServiceEntry: (MCVersionReader --- openVersionFromStream:)
>> SimpleServiceEntry: (MczInstaller --- loadVersionFile:)
>> SimpleServiceEntry: (Morph --- fromFileName:)
>> SimpleServiceEntry: (NaturalLanguageTranslator --- mergeTranslationFileNamed:)
>> SimpleServiceEntry: (SARInstaller --- installSAR:)
>> SimpleServiceEntry: (TTCFont --- newTextStyleFromTTFile:)
>> SimpleServiceEntry: (TTFontReader --- openTTFFile:))
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 16, 2009, at 10:12 PM, Levente Uzonyi wrote:
>>
>>> Quoting Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can you show what you get?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sure, I attached it. The screenshot was taken from an 1.1-11105 image. (Note that the mouse pointer is on the first list item, but you can't see it, because it's a windows machine...)
>>>
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