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Chris Muller-3

pre-debug notifier

What is the purpose of the pre-debug notifier window?

David T. Lewis

Re: pre-debug notifier

On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 06:11:18PM -0500, Chris Muller wrote:
> What is the purpose of the pre-debug notifier window?

Presumably it's to give you the option of not opening a debugger.

There are probably lots of cases in which you might not want to
open the full debugger. One example might be if you were trying to
get the debugger working under ToolBuilder in MVC, in which case
you might appreciate being able to at least open a simple notifier
even though the rest of the debugger UI is not yet working.

Another case might be when you get into one of those runaway error
conditions that starts putting up notifiers all over the place
while you are frantically pounding on <alt><period> to try to get
it to stop. Not that this has ever happened to me of course ;)

Dave

Bert Freudenberg

Re: pre-debug notifier

On 21.05.2012, at 05:20, David T. Lewis wrote:

> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 06:11:18PM -0500, Chris Muller wrote:
>> What is the purpose of the pre-debug notifier window?
>
> Presumably it's to give you the option of not opening a debugger.
>
> There are probably lots of cases in which you might not want to
> open the full debugger. One example might be if you were trying to
> get the debugger working under ToolBuilder in MVC, in which case
> you might appreciate being able to at least open a simple notifier
> even though the rest of the debugger UI is not yet working.
>
> Another case might be when you get into one of those runaway error
> conditions that starts putting up notifiers all over the place
> while you are frantically pounding on <alt><period> to try to get
> it to stop. Not that this has ever happened to me of course ;)
>
> Dave

Also, the pre-debug notifier used to be customizable. E.g. in a deployed application, the "debug" button was replaced by a "send log" button.

- Bert -

Chris Muller-3

Re: pre-debug notifier

Ok, those are good things. However, they are exceptional cases. The
99% case is the pre-debugger opens and you've got to click to get a
usable debugger.

Any objections to the pre-debug notifier being an optional preference?

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 4:17 AM, Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> On 21.05.2012, at 05:20, David T. Lewis wrote:
>
>> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 06:11:18PM -0500, Chris Muller wrote:
>>> What is the purpose of the pre-debug notifier window?
>>
>> Presumably it's to give you the option of not opening a debugger.
>>
>> There are probably lots of cases in which you might not want to
>> open the full debugger. One example might be if you were trying to
>> get the debugger working under ToolBuilder in MVC, in which case
>> you might appreciate being able to at least open a simple notifier
>> even though the rest of the debugger UI is not yet working.
>>
>> Another case might be when you get into one of those runaway error
>> conditions that starts putting up notifiers all over the place
>> while you are frantically pounding on <alt><period> to try to get
>> it to stop. Not that this has ever happened to me of course ;)
>>
>> Dave
>
> Also, the pre-debug notifier used to be customizable. E.g. in a deployed application, the "debug" button was replaced by a "send log" button.
>
> - Bert -
>
>
>

Eliot Miranda-2

Re: pre-debug notifier

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Chris Muller <[hidden email]> wrote:

Ok, those are good things. However, they are exceptional cases. The
99% case is the pre-debugger opens and you've got to click to get a
usable debugger.

Any objections to the pre-debug notifier being an optional preference?

Also the pre-debug notifier offers "define it" for MNUs, which is *hugely* useful. So if you make this an optional preference *please* implement Define It in the debugger.

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 4:17 AM, Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On 21.05.2012, at 05:20, David T. Lewis wrote:
>
>> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 06:11:18PM -0500, Chris Muller wrote:
>>> What is the purpose of the pre-debug notifier window?
>>
>> Presumably it's to give you the option of not opening a debugger.
>>
>> There are probably lots of cases in which you might not want to
>> open the full debugger. One example might be if you were trying to
>> get the debugger working under ToolBuilder in MVC, in which case
>> you might appreciate being able to at least open a simple notifier
>> even though the rest of the debugger UI is not yet working.
>>
>> Another case might be when you get into one of those runaway error
>> conditions that starts putting up notifiers all over the place
>> while you are frantically pounding on <alt><period> to try to get
>> it to stop. Not that this has ever happened to me of course ;)
>>
>> Dave
>
> Also, the pre-debug notifier used to be customizable. E.g. in a deployed application, the "debug" button was replaced by a "send log" button.
>
> - Bert -
>
>
>

--
best,

Eliot