"Smart Paper"?

> On Jul 12, 2008, at 1:52 PM, David T. Lewis wrote:
>> On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 10:36:50AM +0200, John Chandler wrote:
>>>
>>> OK, but if my image is for Mac OS X PPC, and the target machine is
>>> Debian x86, will the image I copy to it even start up?
>>
>> Yes, it will work fine. Amazing but true.
>
> Thanks to all who responded.  I suppose my confusion had
> something to do with the different conceptual bases underlying
> Unices, on the one hand, and Squeak, on the other.  Files
> vs. all-the-way-down objects.  And I'm very unused to being able
> to get away with thinking in terms of the abstraction rather than
> the implementation and having things "just work."
>
> Again, thanks.

> On Saturday 12 Jul 2008 2:06:50 pm John Chandler wrote:
>> OK, but if my image is for Mac OS X PPC, and the target machine is
>> Debian x86, will the image I copy to it even start up?
> Image files can be opened on any platform.
>
> Make sure that you get the *virtual machine* for the Debian x86.  
> Install
> squeakvm package to get the VM binaries.
>
> Subbu
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> I installed the RFB (vnc viewer/server) package on my Debian server,
> to which I don't have console access.  There appears to be a problem
> with it, because the connection is refused.
>
> I loaded the package on my laptop, started the server, and verified
> that I could connect to it with Chicken of the VNC.  I did not stop
> the server, I saved the changes with a slightly altered name, and
> scp'd the image and changes files that had that altered name over to
> the Debian machine.
>
> I started squeak with the command,
>
>    nohup squeak -headless ~/squeaks/*image &
>
> (in the directory, "squeaks," there are two files, the image and the
> changes)
>
> This process appears to be running.  "ps -ef" shows:
>
>    squeakvm -headless [~]/squeaks/Squeak3.9-final-7067_RFB.image
> squeak.image
>
>
> When I use Chicken to try to start a session, changing only the
> hostname (which is a raw IP address), I get a "connection refused"
> message.
>
> I have been told by this ISP that they are not blocking port 5900, and
> I ran in.telnetd in debug mode on port 5900 and got a connection, so
> it appears that this is true.  The nohup.out file is still zero
> length.  Are there any other log files that might be informative?  Is
> there something that netstat would reveal about whether the RFB app
> came up properly and is actually listening on 5900?  Any other clues?
>
> -jmc
>
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> I installed the RFB (vnc viewer/server) package on my Debian server,
> to which I don't have console access.  There appears to be a problem
> with it, because the connection is refused.
>
> I loaded the package on my laptop, started the server, and verified
> that I could connect to it with Chicken of the VNC.  I did not stop
> the server, I saved the changes with a slightly altered name, and
> scp'd the image and changes files that had that altered name over to
> the Debian machine.
>
> I started squeak with the command,
>
>      nohup squeak -headless ~/squeaks/*image &
>
> (in the directory, "squeaks," there are two files, the image and the
> changes)
>
> This process appears to be running.  "ps -ef" shows:
>
>      squeakvm -headless [~]/squeaks/Squeak3.9-final-7067_RFB.image  
> squeak.image
>
>
> When I use Chicken to try to start a session, changing only the
> hostname (which is a raw IP address), I get a "connection refused"
> message.
>
> I have been told by this ISP that they are not blocking port 5900, and
> I ran in.telnetd in debug mode on port 5900 and got a connection, so
> it appears that this is true.  The nohup.out file is still zero
> length.  Are there any other log files that might be informative?  Is
> there something that netstat would reveal about whether the RFB app
> came up properly and is actually listening on 5900?  Any other clues?

> Hi John,
>
> on Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:48:42 +0200, you wrote:
>
>> I installed the RFB (vnc viewer/server) package on my Debian server,
>> to which I don't have console access.  There appears to be a problem
>> with it, because the connection is refused.
>>
>> I loaded the package on my laptop, started the server, and verified
>> that I could connect to it with Chicken of the VNC.  I did not stop
>> the server, I saved the changes with a slightly altered name, and
>> scp'd the image and changes files that had that altered name over to
>> the Debian machine.
>>
>> I started squeak with the command,
>>
>>      nohup squeak -headless ~/squeaks/*image &
>>
>> (in the directory, "squeaks," there are two files, the image and the
>> changes)
>>
>> This process appears to be running.  "ps -ef" shows:
>>
>>      squeakvm -headless [~]/squeaks/Squeak3.9-final-7067_RFB.image  
>> squeak.image
>>
>>
>> When I use Chicken to try to start a session, changing only the
>> hostname (which is a raw IP address), I get a "connection refused"
>> message.
>>
>> I have been told by this ISP that they are not blocking port 5900,  
>> and
>> I ran in.telnetd in debug mode on port 5900 and got a connection, so
>> it appears that this is true.  The nohup.out file is still zero
>> length.  Are there any other log files that might be informative?  Is
>> there something that netstat would reveal about whether the RFB app
>> came up properly and is actually listening on 5900?  Any other clues?
>
> Did you configure RFBServer to allow remote connections?

>
> HTH.
>
> /Klaus
>
>> -jmc
>
>
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> Hi John,
>
> on Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:48:42 +0200, you wrote:
>
>> I installed the RFB (vnc viewer/server) package on my Debian server,
>> to which I don't have console access.  There appears to be a problem
>> with it, because the connection is refused.
>>
>> [...]
>
> Did you configure RFBServer to allow remote connections?
>
> Before you saved the snapshot, did you close all connections (also  
> from RFBServer's connections submenue)?

> On Jul 16, 2008, at 1:06 AM, Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
>> Hi John,
>>
>> on Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:48:42 +0200, you wrote:
>>
>>> I installed the RFB (vnc viewer/server) package on my Debian server,
>>> to which I don't have console access.  There appears to be a problem
>>> with it, because the connection is refused.
>>>
>>> [...]
>>
>> Did you configure RFBServer to allow remote connections?
>>
>> Before you saved the snapshot, did you close all connections (also  
>> from RFBServer's connections submenue)?
>
> Yes. The problem was more basic: root privileges are required.  D-OH!
>
> I should have known this, but while I avoid running as root as a very
> ingrained policy, this makes it impossible to open a socket to the  
> outside
> world.
>
> I looked around for a discussion of security issues with Seaside,  
> and didn't
> come up with much.