rubberbanded sibling problem

I painted objects A then B (different objects).  I then used the  
shift-click rubberband feature to select them both and then created a  
sibling of those selected objects.  Script A1 just did a 'turn by' on  
A.  Script A2 did a 'tell all siblings to do A1'.  The latter didn't  
work.  It did work on an explicitly created sibling of obj A.

-Randy
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Hi,

If you use shift click on the green hallo of the rubberband, you get a copy,if you watch the green halo when you shift click, it doesn't become olive.

if you are using the red halo menu to create sibling, the creation of sibling works fine.

shift click on a the halo of an object works fine but not on a rubberband.

There is a difference between copy and sibling.

Copy of objects  which are sibling using the rubberband will create a new set of siblings which are siblings of each other but not of there original object.


regards

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Objet : [Squeakland] rubberbanded sibling problem
 
I painted objects A then B (different objects).  I then used the  
shift-click rubberband feature to select them both and then created a  
sibling of those selected objects.  Script A1 just did a 'turn by' on  
A.  Script A2 did a 'tell all siblings to do A1'.  The latter didn't  
work.  It did work on an explicitly created sibling of obj A.

-Randy
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I just tried rubberband and siblings  in the olpc image.

- There is no more sibling item in the halo menu therefore no way for creating sibling using rubberband.
- The green halo becomes green olive when shift clicked but creates a copy, not a sibling!

Shift clicking on the green halo of a morph create a sibling, it seems that it is the only way for creating siblings with the olpc image unless removing the etoy user friendly property.


a need: rubberband needs to be fixed.

a wish:  the useful item 'indicate all siblings'  should be added in the  viewer menu after the item 'reveal me' if the morph has siblings.

regards


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De: Randy Heiland [mailto:[hidden email]]
Date: ven. 31/08/2007 11:30
À: Dreyfuss Pierre-André (EDU)
Cc: Squeakland list
Objet : Re: RE : [Squeakland] rubberbanded sibling problem
 
Thanks for your reply.  Yes, I'm well aware of the 'hold down shift'  
on the copy handle to make a sibling.  I did that.  However, I see  
that I failed to mention in my post that I was referring to the OLPC  
version of etoys (2.1 #1565)

-Randy

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Comparing squak plugin image and olpc image.
olpc
click on green halo  turn the green halo to olive make a copy
shift click click on green halo  turn the green halo to olive make a sibling.
acts the same way with etoyfriendly unchecked

squeakland plugin
click on green halo  don't turn the green halo to olive, make a copy
shift click click on green halo  turn the green halo to olive make a sibling.
if the etoyfriendly preference is unchecked acts as the olpc image turnig the halo to olive in any case.

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Date: jeu. 30/08/2007 15:28
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Objet : [Squeakland] rubberbanded sibling problem
 
I painted objects A then B (different objects).  I then used the  
shift-click rubberband feature to select them both and then created a  
sibling of those selected objects.  Script A1 just did a 'turn by' on  
A.  Script A2 did a 'tell all siblings to do A1'.  The latter didn't  
work.  It did work on an explicitly created sibling of obj A.

-Randy
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Hi, Randy, and all,

Thanks for this observation.

Our thinking has been that inadvertent use, which would have  
mysterious consequences, would be much more likely than any intended  
use.  Therefore, a sibling (or multiple siblings) can only be created  
for a single object at a time, and thus we never allow the user to  
create siblings from the halo of a "rubber-band" multiple selection.

Formerly, the "siblings" submenu was still available in the halo-menu  
for a multiple-selection, but that got fixed earlier this year.

The remaining issue here was that the balloon-help for the green halo-
handle of a multiple selection mistakenly still claimed that if you  
held down the shift key you could get siblings rather than copies.  
This has now been fixed by etoys2.1 update 1583fixDupHelpMsg.

Cheers,

   -- Scortt


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