[squeak-dev] 64bit or 32bit VM

> On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 05:53:54PM -0800, Brad Fuller wrote:
>> I was building the latest svn VM, out of the box, on a Linux 64bit
>> machine, and while it made, it doesn't work when calling plugins (it
>> segfaults). Could this because I built it, by default, on 64bit? If
>> so, is there a way to set the compile to 32bit? I didn't see a setting
>> for 32bit wide in.configure. Perhaps it's a --build=BUILD option?
>
> You will need to use a recent VMMaker with all of the 32/64 bit clean
> patches applied. You can get this from the squeaksource.com project.
> Some of the VMMaker versions on SqueakMap/Universes are probably not
> up to date in this respect.
>
> Some plugins have not been update for 64 bit machines, so you will
> not be able to build all of them.
>
> As for building 32 bit apps on a 64 bit Linux, I'm sure that's in the
> Linux and/or GCC FAQs somewhere, but I always just build a 64 bit VM
> for my own use and it works fine.
>
>> While I'm on the subject, I thought maybe I'd try the 64bit VM. What's
>> the difference between the source at:
>> http://squeakvm.org/squeak64/dist3/
>> and the svn at:
>> http://www.squeakvm.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi
>
> The sources are http://squeakvm.org/squeak64/dist3/ are the original
> development work that Dan and Ian did to produce 64 bit Squeak VMs and
> images. They are out of date with respect to current SVN sources and
> current Squeak 32 bit images. Assuming that you are just trying to make
> a 64 bit VM to run normal Squeak images, you can disregard the dist3
> sources.
>
> Dave
>
>
>

> A follow on question would be what have you and others learned about
> moving 32bit plugins to 64bit?  Back in the cobwebs I seem to remember
> you and Dan writing about your journey, but that's as far as my
> recollection goes. I'll search the archives for more, but if something
> comes to mind, I'd appreciate any help.
>
> thanks!
>
> brad
>
> On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 5:59 AM, David T. Lewis <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 05:53:54PM -0800, Brad Fuller wrote:
> >> I was building the latest svn VM, out of the box, on a Linux 64bit
> >> machine, and while it made, it doesn't work when calling plugins (it
> >> segfaults). Could this because I built it, by default, on 64bit? If
> >> so, is there a way to set the compile to 32bit? I didn't see a setting
> >> for 32bit wide in.configure. Perhaps it's a --build=BUILD option?
> >
> > You will need to use a recent VMMaker with all of the 32/64 bit clean
> > patches applied. You can get this from the squeaksource.com project.
> > Some of the VMMaker versions on SqueakMap/Universes are probably not
> > up to date in this respect.
> >
> > Some plugins have not been update for 64 bit machines, so you will
> > not be able to build all of them.
> >
> > As for building 32 bit apps on a 64 bit Linux, I'm sure that's in the
> > Linux and/or GCC FAQs somewhere, but I always just build a 64 bit VM
> > for my own use and it works fine.
> >
> >> While I'm on the subject, I thought maybe I'd try the 64bit VM. What's
> >> the difference between the source at:
> >> http://squeakvm.org/squeak64/dist3/
> >> and the svn at:
> >> http://www.squeakvm.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi
> >
> > The sources are http://squeakvm.org/squeak64/dist3/ are the original
> > development work that Dan and Ian did to produce 64 bit Squeak VMs and
> > images. They are out of date with respect to current SVN sources and
> > current Squeak 32 bit images. Assuming that you are just trying to make
> > a 64 bit VM to run normal Squeak images, you can disregard the dist3
> > sources.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

> On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 05:53:54PM -0800, Brad Fuller wrote:
>> I was building the latest svn VM, out of the box, on a Linux 64bit
>> machine, and while it made, it doesn't work when calling plugins (it
>> segfaults). Could this because I built it, by default, on 64bit? If
>> so, is there a way to set the compile to 32bit? I didn't see a setting
>> for 32bit wide in.configure. Perhaps it's a --build=BUILD option?
>
> You will need to use a recent VMMaker with all of the 32/64 bit clean
> patches applied. You can get this from the squeaksource.com project.
> Some of the VMMaker versions on SqueakMap/Universes are probably not
> up to date in this respect.

> On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 5:59 AM, David T. Lewis <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 05:53:54PM -0800, Brad Fuller wrote:
> >> I was building the latest svn VM, out of the box, on a Linux 64bit
> >> machine, and while it made, it doesn't work when calling plugins (it
> >> segfaults). Could this because I built it, by default, on 64bit? If
> >> so, is there a way to set the compile to 32bit? I didn't see a setting
> >> for 32bit wide in.configure. Perhaps it's a --build=BUILD option?
> >
> > You will need to use a recent VMMaker with all of the 32/64 bit clean
> > patches applied. You can get this from the squeaksource.com project.
> > Some of the VMMaker versions on SqueakMap/Universes are probably not
> > up to date in this respect.
>
> Ok. I dnl'd VMMaker-dtl.106.mcz from SqeakSource. Using Monticello to
> load it, I get a warning that FFIPlugin and KlattResonatorIndices
> needs to load first to use specific these plugins.
>
> I look on SqueakSource for FFIPlugin but don't find it. I look in
> Unverses, but I can't find out how to find a package in Universes.
> Seems nicely categorized, but i haven't a clue how to search for a
> package.
> But I do find FFI v3.9 on SqueakMap. I install that. Hopefully, it's
> the right version... but, there is no indication to what version I
> need when I tried to install VMMaker.
>
> I can't find KlattResonatorIndices anywhere. Where can I find that?
> Maybe I could go on since I'm not interested in the KlattSynthesizer,
> but, I'd hate to do that.

>> BTW, it's HARD to find packages to install in Squeak ( I know, I'm not
>> bearer of new news). Packages are in one or many places and with
>> different versions in different places. It's hard to tell where to go
>> Why don't we settle on one place for every package and use one method
>> (can have many tools, but one method) to download packages and their
>> dependencies? I guess, that's a general question to everyone. Seems
>> like a no-brainer.
>
> Yup, everybody agrees with you. SqueakMap does a nice job of keeping
> track of everything, Universes is the equivalent of a distro, some
> further integration of these would be nice, and it's a lot of work to
> keep it up to date. Emphasis on "it's a lot of work."